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DH pressuring me to find a job

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Macadamiamama · 07/04/2024 09:30

Need some context otherwise I’ll definitely be unreasonable.
DH is a well paid lawyer in London, whatever that means nowadays.
I’m not from the UK, I went to uni and started working in my country but since moving here I only ever did a few jobs here and there and stopped since having babies.
I have been supported by my DH for about 9 years now and he’s probably had enough of that. I need to add: he works long hours, is often very stressed. He doesn’t have much time for the kids, he helps with bath when he’s home otherwise it’s only me. I understand.
Now our youngest is about to go to reception in September and my time is ticking as he wants me to start contributing financially. I don’t feel able to find a good job in the hours I have or skills. I worked from home last year and it was a disaster I had to quit as I had no time to do anything around the house and the kids.
We have no luxuries apart from not checking prices at the supermarket. We never go on holiday. We own a flat and would like to buy a house soon.
The idea of work is nice but I feel stressed as I think I already do so much, I also wouldn’t get much money so it’s not very appealing. I have my ambitions, just don’t feel it’s worth at the moment when we have no debt and live a reasonably comfortable life.
He won’t change anything in his life when I start double shifting (work+kids) apparently I’ll have so much free time I won’t know what to with myself!
He mentions jobs in retail, waitress, receptionist. No disrespect for people doing that but he’ll go out the house in his suit and tie and I’d be going out in a uniform.
I’m not saying he needs to support me forever but I don’t feel confident enough to get a job atm. He won’t pay for further education either as that’d be taking money from the kids. Am I being too superior?

OP posts:
Canthave2manycats · 08/04/2024 17:53

MarygoldRose · 08/04/2024 17:51

Sorry, I was writing about this context - a foreigner with 9 years of economic inactivity. Had she been able to move to cybersecurity, believe me, she would have. I was talking about this particular context, which, let us be honest, is the most realistic context for an average (like me) person. Re-training to be a teacher requires a solid first degree - physics, languages, maths, art. I don't think this lady would be fretting about uniforms if she had a solid degree - she would have retrained as a teacher and her husband would have been up for it, I am sure. But we need to be more realistic and close to the context. I.e. average women, not cybersecurity experts.

We don't know what degree she has, and she may not be interested in being a teacher?

MarygoldRose · 08/04/2024 17:51

FlabMonsterIsDietingAgain · 08/04/2024 17:46

@MarygoldRose in my 30s I moved into cybersecurity, Governance, Risk and Compliance with no previous experience.

I have numerous colleagues who have retrained or switched roles into software development, business analysis, Operational Leadership.

I have friends who have retrained as teachers.

Why would you believe that there are only 2 careers women go an go into from age 30 up?

Sorry, I was writing about this context - a foreigner with 9 years of economic inactivity. Had she been able to move to cybersecurity, believe me, she would have. I was talking about this particular context, which, let us be honest, is the most realistic context for an average (like me) person. Re-training to be a teacher requires a solid first degree - physics, languages, maths, art. I don't think this lady would be fretting about uniforms if she had a solid degree - she would have retrained as a teacher and her husband would have been up for it, I am sure. But we need to be more realistic and close to the context. I.e. average women, not cybersecurity experts.

Canthave2manycats · 08/04/2024 17:50

Gwenhwyfar · 08/04/2024 17:47

"There are only 2 worthwhile real careers a middle-aged (30+) woman can retrain for - nurse and midwife, but they are uniformed..."

A 31 year old is not middle aged. However, as an actually middle aged person over 40, I can say that there is no way I would have the energy to do a nursing or midwifery course and start a job that involved long shifts, standing up and a lot of walking after years of sedentary office work.
That unfortunately means there are no careers the average middle aged woman can retrain for...

I had a work colleague in her 40s leave to train to be a nurse. Probably qualified now.

KirstenBlest · 08/04/2024 17:47

@MarygoldRose , Middle-aged is 45-65. It's not half way through the average life span.
Middle age - Wikipedia

middle age noun [ U ] uk / ˌmɪd. ə l ˈeɪdʒ / us / ˌmɪd. ə l ˈeɪdʒ / Add to word list Add to word list the period of your life, usually considered to be from about 45 to 60 years old, when you are no longer young, but are not yet old: Once you reach middle age, you have to be sensible about your health.
MIDDLE AGE | English meaning - Cambridge Dictionary

dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/middle-age

The previous definition was from the Oxford dictionary.

Gwenhwyfar · 08/04/2024 17:47

"There are only 2 worthwhile real careers a middle-aged (30+) woman can retrain for - nurse and midwife, but they are uniformed..."

A 31 year old is not middle aged. However, as an actually middle aged person over 40, I can say that there is no way I would have the energy to do a nursing or midwifery course and start a job that involved long shifts, standing up and a lot of walking after years of sedentary office work.
That unfortunately means there are no careers the average middle aged woman can retrain for...

FlabMonsterIsDietingAgain · 08/04/2024 17:46

@MarygoldRose in my 30s I moved into cybersecurity, Governance, Risk and Compliance with no previous experience.

I have numerous colleagues who have retrained or switched roles into software development, business analysis, Operational Leadership.

I have friends who have retrained as teachers.

Why would you believe that there are only 2 careers women go an go into from age 30 up?

MarygoldRose · 08/04/2024 17:39

Gonnagetgoingreturnsagain · 08/04/2024 14:36

You're talking a load of rubbish and seriously underestimating yourself and other women of that age and older.

I've known women retrain to be lawyers in their 30s and 40s and practice for one example.

You must have different experience. I know many young women 21+ who did law as their first degree (not conversion course) and are slogging their guts out as paralegals, unable to get a training contract. I also know quite a few young women 21+ who got their training contract and are now unable to find a junior associate position. The hoops and loops they jump through! And still unable to get a job - they are multilingual, some specialise in digital currency litigation and still no luck. You must have several very unusual examples of women before your eyes.

MarygoldRose · 08/04/2024 17:34

Holidayshopping · 08/04/2024 17:14

Well you’re hardly unusual with that background! That’s what most people do. I don’t know anyone that doesn’t need to work and can live off interest or inheritance!

Luckily, I know of more than two careers that will give immediate employment though 😂

More than two? Would you maybe care to share? I would like to know what they are. I am being serious, not facetious.

Pillerton · 08/04/2024 17:34

Peaceandquietandacuppa · 07/04/2024 20:50

There are lots of coding courses around - 16 weeks to become fully trained and lots are gov funded. Then a lot of working at home. The suggestion of TA or admin in a school is good too.

Whether you work from home or not, you need concrete agreement from your DH that if you work X hours, this will reduce your time on household tasks and you still need to pick up the kids. So he needs to a) increase his involvement in household tasks and childcare or b) contribute financially to a cleaner/ dry cleaning / after school club etc.

I am sorry, this is just not going to happen. Then what?

Canthave2manycats · 08/04/2024 17:15

MarygoldRose · 08/04/2024 14:01

Because she is not a lawyer. I assume the husband is not stupid and if she were in litigation/arbitration with HNWI, he would have said 'I stay at home, you progress your career'. There are only 2 worthwhile real careers a middle-aged (30+) woman can retrain for - nurse and midwife, but they are uniformed...

Well I wouldn't be taking careers advice from you!! What a load of nonsense!

Holidayshopping · 08/04/2024 17:14

MarygoldRose · 08/04/2024 16:59

I come from a background where you have to earn a living (not inherit, not live off interest, etc.) and in my neck of the woods these are the only realistic careers which will give immediate employment and a good salary with it. I wish I knew other careers like that, but I don't.

Well you’re hardly unusual with that background! That’s what most people do. I don’t know anyone that doesn’t need to work and can live off interest or inheritance!

Luckily, I know of more than two careers that will give immediate employment though 😂

Medschoolmum · 08/04/2024 17:02

MarygoldRose · 08/04/2024 16:57

45 x 2 (because middle is just that, in the middle, half of life) - 90 and 65 is 130. I don't know any who lived to that age. In my book middle age is 35 or if you are very lucky, 40, I am afraid.

Not many people would argue that 35 is middle aged these days. At 40, you might get more takers.

Medschoolmum · 08/04/2024 17:01

MarygoldRose · 08/04/2024 16:59

I come from a background where you have to earn a living (not inherit, not live off interest, etc.) and in my neck of the woods these are the only realistic careers which will give immediate employment and a good salary with it. I wish I knew other careers like that, but I don't.

I appreciate that you may not know of other career options, but that doesn't mean that they don't exist. It merely means that you don't know very much about career options.

MarygoldRose · 08/04/2024 16:59

Holidayshopping · 08/04/2024 14:11

There are only 2 worthwhile real careers a middle-aged (30+) woman can retrain for

Why only those two?!

I come from a background where you have to earn a living (not inherit, not live off interest, etc.) and in my neck of the woods these are the only realistic careers which will give immediate employment and a good salary with it. I wish I knew other careers like that, but I don't.

MarygoldRose · 08/04/2024 16:57

KirstenBlest · 08/04/2024 16:15

@MarygoldRose , 30+ is not middle-aged. 30+ is a millennial. Middle-aged is 45-65.

middle-aged
[mɪdəlˈeɪdʒd]
adjective

  1. (of a person) aged about 45 to 65:
  2. "the crowd was predominantly middle-aged" · "the last-gasp ambitions of the middle-aged"

45 x 2 (because middle is just that, in the middle, half of life) - 90 and 65 is 130. I don't know any who lived to that age. In my book middle age is 35 or if you are very lucky, 40, I am afraid.

KirstenBlest · 08/04/2024 16:15

@MarygoldRose , 30+ is not middle-aged. 30+ is a millennial. Middle-aged is 45-65.

middle-aged
[mɪdəlˈeɪdʒd]
adjective

  1. (of a person) aged about 45 to 65:
  2. "the crowd was predominantly middle-aged" · "the last-gasp ambitions of the middle-aged"
CrispieCake · 08/04/2024 16:10

MarygoldRose · 08/04/2024 14:11

I wish (being a wife but the sole breadwinner) one husband/or breadwinner wife one day will have enough in him/her to say - yes, you find it hard to be a stay at home parent and do all the chores? OK, that is it - I quit. From tomorrow - you provide, you pay the school fees, you go to meetings with hateful people, you chase clients, you agree to the common in the law firms pattern 'you eat what you kill', you do it all and I shall stay in the lovely house you will buy, you will pay to furnish, cook lovely lunches and dinners from the stuff you pay for (we don't look at prices in the supermarket) and then we shall see who is really keeping this whole circus on the road. My little brother married a Bulgarian lady, who thought she blessed him and through him, the whole family by agreeing to marry him. To start with, he went along with the nonsense - paid for her 'psychology' degree, house, holidays, child private nursery, her parents' trips to the UK, their private treatment in the UK - because hey, it is a team, right, all family money, not his money, they are partners. Then she sold her mud hut (they are beautiful and white-washed, but they are mud huts with thatched roof) back home and genuinely thought the money was only hers. She was vocal about it - it is MY PARENTS' home she kept saying, nothing to do with the UK. The penny dropped then. He realised that all talk about 'equal' partnership is from a 'partner' who does not contribute financially. He did not have the guts to quit his job, but divorced her, as he had enough of being the 'unreasonable husband' and wanting his wife to work instead of doing a PhD in psychology which she wanted to do after her BA.

Yes of course if you marry someone workshy or a golddigger, they're going to take you for as much as they can get.

Rather different to a scenario where a couple have been together since university or their early work lives, built up assets/a life together, worked hard and then one partner takes a career break when children arrive or they move country or some other life event intervenes.

Gonnagetgoingreturnsagain · 08/04/2024 14:36

Holidayshopping · 08/04/2024 14:11

There are only 2 worthwhile real careers a middle-aged (30+) woman can retrain for

Why only those two?!

You're talking a load of rubbish and seriously underestimating yourself and other women of that age and older.

I've known women retrain to be lawyers in their 30s and 40s and practice for one example.

Delatron · 08/04/2024 14:36

There are loads of careers women at any age can retrain for. The point is it’s better to have a long term plan than take any old low paying job which invariably have very little flexibility.

Unless the husband doesn’t support the retraining period. But that would be quite short sighted of him.

Delatron · 08/04/2024 14:35

There are loads of careers women at any age can retrain for. The point is it’s better to have a long term plan than take any old low paying job which invariably have very little flexibility.

Unless the husband doesn’t support the retraining period. But that would be quite short sighted of him.

Delatron · 08/04/2024 14:35

There are loads of careers women at any age can retrain for. The point is it’s better to have a long term plan than take any old low paying job which invariably have very little flexibility.

Unless the husband doesn’t support the retraining period. But that would be quite short sighted of him.

DreadPirateRobots · 08/04/2024 14:33

Holidayshopping · 08/04/2024 14:11

There are only 2 worthwhile real careers a middle-aged (30+) woman can retrain for

Why only those two?!

Seriously. The fuck?!

(Signed, someone who retrained into tech in their late 30s and isn't done yet...)

Holidayshopping · 08/04/2024 14:11

There are only 2 worthwhile real careers a middle-aged (30+) woman can retrain for

Why only those two?!

MarygoldRose · 08/04/2024 14:11

Delatron · 08/04/2024 12:48

Yes exactly. A supportive discussion about the future was all that was needed. They are married. They are supposed to be a team. He’s basically said ‘get a job, any job and don’t expect me to change a thing’ yet apparently poor old him.

Nobody is suggesting that OP never works in the future. It’s the way the DH has gone about it.

I wish (being a wife but the sole breadwinner) one husband/or breadwinner wife one day will have enough in him/her to say - yes, you find it hard to be a stay at home parent and do all the chores? OK, that is it - I quit. From tomorrow - you provide, you pay the school fees, you go to meetings with hateful people, you chase clients, you agree to the common in the law firms pattern 'you eat what you kill', you do it all and I shall stay in the lovely house you will buy, you will pay to furnish, cook lovely lunches and dinners from the stuff you pay for (we don't look at prices in the supermarket) and then we shall see who is really keeping this whole circus on the road. My little brother married a Bulgarian lady, who thought she blessed him and through him, the whole family by agreeing to marry him. To start with, he went along with the nonsense - paid for her 'psychology' degree, house, holidays, child private nursery, her parents' trips to the UK, their private treatment in the UK - because hey, it is a team, right, all family money, not his money, they are partners. Then she sold her mud hut (they are beautiful and white-washed, but they are mud huts with thatched roof) back home and genuinely thought the money was only hers. She was vocal about it - it is MY PARENTS' home she kept saying, nothing to do with the UK. The penny dropped then. He realised that all talk about 'equal' partnership is from a 'partner' who does not contribute financially. He did not have the guts to quit his job, but divorced her, as he had enough of being the 'unreasonable husband' and wanting his wife to work instead of doing a PhD in psychology which she wanted to do after her BA.

spriots · 08/04/2024 14:08

Delatron · 08/04/2024 12:49

Yes exactly. A supportive discussion about the future was all that was needed. They are married. They are supposed to be a team. He’s basically said ‘get a job, any job and don’t expect me to change a thing’ yet apparently poor old him.

Nobody is suggesting that OP never works in the future. It’s the way the DH has gone about it.

I think though it's also about how she has gone about it. She doesn't seem at any point to have had a plan, just content to drift along.

I think this would have gone better if she had gone to ber DH and said "I was thinking about when the youngest starts school, here's what I would like to do.."

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