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To report an off licence?

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HotChocWine · 06/04/2024 19:37

Long story short, off licence sold vodka to a 17 year old, that my 15 year old drank and we ended up in a and e as he was unresponsive

We have been told where it was bought, I was debating letting Trading Standards know about it

OP posts:
isitbananatimealready · 08/04/2024 22:57

ghostyslovesheets · 06/04/2024 20:35

The smell of Pernod still makes me dry heave #1980's!

Tequila for me!

bows101 · 08/04/2024 22:56

Also I think waste of time reporting them.
If they didn't buy it from that particular shop, they would have still got it elsewhere; another shop or an 18 year old buy it for them, stolen from parents cupboard etc.

bows101 · 08/04/2024 22:53

My mum used to threaten to take my picture around the local shops with my age printed over it 🤣

WhatsTheUseOfWorrying · 08/04/2024 22:09

PinkJellyCat2023 · 08/04/2024 22:05

Come on, cps took THREE years to get my mates rape case to court. There’s no way they will prosecute a teen for getting shitfaced.

one day if your ever unfortunate enough to be a victim of crime your in for a big shock.

Oh I agree. My point was to the poster who was saying the shop should be reported to the police. It was just an observation that teens have responsibility too.

I’m well aware that the police do fuck all about most crime. Including the crimes that I’ve been a victim of and my kids have been victims of. No shocks there.

PinkJellyCat2023 · 08/04/2024 22:05

WhatsTheUseOfWorrying · 08/04/2024 21:52

Don’t you think the u-18 who bought it (assuming it’s true there was a sale, the vodka wasn’t stolen, no fake id etc) should also be prosecuted? And it sounds like OP’s son might well have been drunk and disorderly too.

If you’re going to be hard on the shop, why not on those who asked for the sale and drank the vodka? They’re not young children. They’re both old enough to be prosecuted.

Come on, cps took THREE years to get my mates rape case to court. There’s no way they will prosecute a teen for getting shitfaced.

one day if your ever unfortunate enough to be a victim of crime your in for a big shock.

WhatsTheUseOfWorrying · 08/04/2024 21:52

XelaM · 08/04/2024 20:09

That's something that the police can check.

Why would you not report a shop that sold alcohol to someone underage that nearly killed a teenager?

Don’t you think the u-18 who bought it (assuming it’s true there was a sale, the vodka wasn’t stolen, no fake id etc) should also be prosecuted? And it sounds like OP’s son might well have been drunk and disorderly too.

If you’re going to be hard on the shop, why not on those who asked for the sale and drank the vodka? They’re not young children. They’re both old enough to be prosecuted.

WhatsTheUseOfWorrying · 08/04/2024 21:50

UpsideLeft · 08/04/2024 20:01

DC lie

They could have used fake ID

Someone else's ID

Or been given the alcohol by their parents

Or taken from their parent drinks cabinet

Edited for wrong post quoted.

Wellhellooooodear · 08/04/2024 21:47

YABU. If a 15 year old wants to get shitfaced, they're going to get shitfaced. The 17 year old who bought it may have looked older. Getting someone else in trouble isn't going to change what's happened. Hopefully it's a wake up call which will but them off in future.

WhatsTheUseOfWorrying · 08/04/2024 21:38

AliMonkey · 08/04/2024 19:34

@WhatsTheUseOfWorrying Lots of the supermarkets have that policy - basically if I buy when accompanied by an 8 year old they'll sell it to me, if I'm accompanied by say a 16 year old, they won't. In actual fact, neither of my teens nor me drink alcohol, I just buy it for DH, but it's pretty annoying when your teen was kind enough to come and help with the shopping that you then can't buy it. I've learnt now not to take them with me.

Thank you. It’s news to me. I’ve never come across this.

Presumably they would sell if the teen just went out of the shop so you weren’t accompanied by them at the point of sale? The country seems to have gone a bit mad.

XelaM · 08/04/2024 20:09

UpsideLeft · 08/04/2024 20:01

DC lie

They could have used fake ID

Someone else's ID

Or been given the alcohol by their parents

Or taken from their parent drinks cabinet

That's something that the police can check.

Why would you not report a shop that sold alcohol to someone underage that nearly killed a teenager?

XelaM · 08/04/2024 20:08

Of course you should report the shop! These responses are (as per usual) crazy. It's illegal to sell alcoholic to anyone under 18 and they should check anyone who looks under 25.

UpsideLeft · 08/04/2024 20:01

DC lie

They could have used fake ID

Someone else's ID

Or been given the alcohol by their parents

Or taken from their parent drinks cabinet

queenMab99 · 08/04/2024 20:00

This is the very reason why alcohol should not be sold to underage customers, and the off licence needs to be reported. You would not be unreasonable to do so, as well as grounding your 15 year old, or whatever else you think appropriate.

Vettrianofan · 08/04/2024 19:53

Been there as a parent 😭😫DS 16 last month was drinking Magners, Tenants and swigging his friend's Buckfast🤢 they used fake ID to get the booze and headed to a local park. I was very upset but didn't report the off licence because ultimately DS made his decision to do something stupid. He did it for emotional reasons, not just to get drunk though. He needed help getting showered, was abusive to other customers in a fast food joint and I think ultimately learned several lessons from what happened - Don't mix your drinks and don't drink on an empty stomach being just a few! Hasn't repeated it since and said sorry for his behaviour.

OP I hope your 15yo is doing okay now. Lesson learned. All will work out fine 🙂 ❤

AliMonkey · 08/04/2024 19:34

@WhatsTheUseOfWorrying Lots of the supermarkets have that policy - basically if I buy when accompanied by an 8 year old they'll sell it to me, if I'm accompanied by say a 16 year old, they won't. In actual fact, neither of my teens nor me drink alcohol, I just buy it for DH, but it's pretty annoying when your teen was kind enough to come and help with the shopping that you then can't buy it. I've learnt now not to take them with me.

Justmuddlingalong · 06/04/2024 23:41

Our local shops have an issue with underage teens running into the shops/supermarkets, grabbing a bottle and running out. No ID required, no ID checked and no money changing hands.

WhatsTheUseOfWorrying · 06/04/2024 22:57

Sux2buthen · 06/04/2024 22:51

It would still be the shop that broke the law either way

That wasn’t really the point. But ok.

In any case, both the teen buying and the shop selling would be breaking the law.

Sux2buthen · 06/04/2024 22:51

WhatsTheUseOfWorrying · 06/04/2024 21:31

It would be an unfortunate outcome if the shop got a visit from a TSO, showed them the CCTV and it turned out to be OP’s child who’s blagging vodka using fake id.

It would still be the shop that broke the law either way

Noseybookworm · 06/04/2024 22:39

Yes you can report the Off Licence because they broke the law selling alcohol to an under 18. But likely nothing will be done except maybe a few spot checks to see if they're routinely doing it. I would concentrate on making sure your 15 understands the gravity of what happened.

PoppyCherryDog · 06/04/2024 22:32

Kimmeridge · 06/04/2024 20:17

Was it your 17 year old? You never said......

😂

WhatsTheUseOfWorrying · 06/04/2024 22:31

AliMonkey · 06/04/2024 22:17

Yes report them, they are not meeting their licence conditions. So many other places have really strict conditions (eg I couldn’t buy alcohol if shopping in supermarket with my teen) so not even challenging a 17 year old is just wrong.

(eg I couldn’t buy alcohol if shopping in supermarket with my teen)

Are you sure? That doesn’t right. I’ve never had that.

DoubleOuch · 06/04/2024 22:30

Off Licence: Bloody annoying but what were the circumstances? (False ID? Sloppy staff?)

17 year old: Stiff talking to, illegal to buy, irresponsible to give to 15 year old.

15 year old: Mucho sympathetico and regale with tales of drunken youth...

AliMonkey · 06/04/2024 22:17

Yes report them, they are not meeting their licence conditions. So many other places have really strict conditions (eg I couldn’t buy alcohol if shopping in supermarket with my teen) so not even challenging a 17 year old is just wrong.

Maverickess · 06/04/2024 22:12

WhatsTheUseOfWorrying · 06/04/2024 21:39

Re age, I agree. That’s what I was saying. But not very clearly, I realise.

The pp had said that challenge 25 was the law.

As for breaking the law, yes, technically, but it’s not a breach I would be pursuing on the basis of an account given by a shamefaced 15 yr old.

Not the law I agree, but you don't get the licence to sell without meeting the mandatory condition, though can be any age to 'challenge' and you have to be able to show you're using it (I've had to show trading standards a beer encrusted ID 'log' raked out from under the till before tills prompted and recorded 🤣) or you won't get renewed.
And you can be fined for breaking the conditions with a sale etc, so I think that's where people get confused as there's concequences and fines etc, and you're not going to be employee of the month if you cause the shop to have restrictions on the licence.

It's not something I'd be pursuing either, but I was pointing out that both the 17 year old and 15 year old have also broken the law here, as well as the shop but it would seem it's only the shop at fault to OP.

WhatsTheUseOfWorrying · 06/04/2024 21:39

Maverickess · 06/04/2024 21:32

A challenge policy is a mandatory condition - if it's not met then no licence. It doesn't necessarily have to be challenge 25, it can be 18, 21, 25, 30.... That bit is up to the licencee, but, challenge 25 (and less so 21 recently) is seen as best practice by licencing teams, and they can impose conditions on an active licence if something goes wrong -like insisting challenge 25 is used as the policy.

Shop has broken the law and so has the 17 year old, possibly the 15 year old too (woolly on that one though). Neither presumably forced your 15 year old to drink it though.

And this is why people are very careful about proxy sales - because people will always look for someone else to take the blame when it's their child who comes to harm.

Re age, I agree. That’s what I was saying. But not very clearly, I realise.

The pp had said that challenge 25 was the law.

As for breaking the law, yes, technically, but it’s not a breach I would be pursuing on the basis of an account given by a shamefaced 15 yr old.