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Man in ladies’ loo

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Suburbanrunner · 06/04/2024 13:47

I was out running earlier today and stopped to go to the loo in a local park. A man came in at the same time with his young daughter and went into the cubicle next to me. As she went to the loo the father and daughter talked through all the steps they were taking and also commented on me ie is that lady also doing a wee, is she wiping her bum etc. I felt a bit uncomfortable and thought I’d wait for them to leave. However the father then proceeded to say that as they were there he was going to have a wee too. At this point I couldn’t take any more and said could you not do that, please can you go in the men’s. He got pretty aggressive saying what else was he meant to do as he had his young daughter with him. I felt so uncomfortable at this stage that I left (without going to the loo!)
Now I’m questioning myself - aibu to be annoyed he was in the loos? Or was he perfectly within his rights to bring his daughter into the women’s loos and also use them himself?
thank you mumsnet jury!

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CKL987 · 06/04/2024 18:04

What were you actually uncomfortable about? I can understand if he was a lone man but he was taking his child to the toilet. At no point were you at risk. Also, how many times do small children and their mothers talk about what is going on in the toilet and what they are doing, and then a child might talk about other people in there? Him doing a pee is no biggie either, he was in a cubicle. I feel this is a total over reaction. He could have probably dealt with you better though.

ManchesterBeatrice · 06/04/2024 18:02

You know it didn't happen when OP doesn't return 🤣🤣

deragod · 06/04/2024 17:42

GrumpyPanda · 06/04/2024 15:51

I've yet to come across a women's toilet where your shoe soles stick to the floor because of encrusted urine.

Yep, I have never seen piss flood etc. in women's toilet. Once, at the international airport shoe sole print on the seat but those are culture differences.

I used to be taken to the men's as a small girl. It was okey. I have seen more male urination on the streets than as a child in the men's...
Female accompanied by a male (father, brother, partner) is safe - magic of male protection. That is how patriarchy works.

ButWhatAboutTheBees · 06/04/2024 17:41

I don't think he was announcing to the OP he was going. Just saying to his little girl that he was going whilst he was in there.

No performance or anything

Bellsandthistle · 06/04/2024 17:39

D0v3Gr3y · 06/04/2024 17:29

Since we all get caught short with our young children so I’d say since forever.

Where do you live that men have always been going into women’s toilets with their children? 😂

CaterhamReconstituted · 06/04/2024 17:32

It’s a bit weird but I doubt he was a perv, just a bit thoughtless. He should have gone into the men’s but maybe the little girl was soiling herself at that very moment and it was a genuine emergency. I’m not sure but would be prepared to give the benefit of the doubt. Obviously all the rules on toilets have now changed though.

funinthesun19 · 06/04/2024 17:32

D0v3Gr3y · 06/04/2024 17:31

Not me because I’m sane.

Ah good. When I say everyone I mean the vast majority.

Londonrach1 · 06/04/2024 17:31

This has to made up....no man ever go into a ladies toilet...dh and everyone I know takes their dd into the men's...

D0v3Gr3y · 06/04/2024 17:31

funinthesun19 · 06/04/2024 17:30

We've all had moments with borderline age kids where the correct thing to do is a little bit blurry.

And yet when a mum takes her borderline aged 9 year old son in with her everyone gets hysterical about it on here.

Not me because I’m sane.

Propertylover · 06/04/2024 17:30

Some of the comments on here are ridiculous. I have used men’s toilets on several occasions and not been traumatised by a row of urinals. They all had cubicles as well! As pp have said I have found disabled, unisex and women’s toilets all have the risk of pee on the seat or worse.

My use has been legitimate e.g. at Wembley Stadium they repurpose the men’s into women’s using a cloth cover over the sign.

I used the former Men’s toilets at the theatre as they have now been repurposed as Gender neutral. I think the men using them were slightly surprised, but I can assure you there was no glimpse of genitals from those using the urinals.

I support 3rd (4th actually) spaces as I think we need Male and female single sex, disabled and unisex/gender neutral.

I agree with @Suburbanrunner the running commentary on what the op was doing and then what he was going to do would have been exceptionally uncomfortable in a female single sex space. He could have changed the topic.

Personally I think he should have used the men’s toilets.

funinthesun19 · 06/04/2024 17:30

EvenStillIWantTo · 06/04/2024 17:25

So he was in a cubicle with his daughter, is that right? And decided to have a pee while he was in there?

Why would you even care? I don't get it. We've all had moments with borderline age kids where the correct thing to do is a little bit blurry.

We've all had moments with borderline age kids where the correct thing to do is a little bit blurry.

And yet when a mum takes her borderline aged 9 year old son in with her everyone gets hysterical about it on here.

D0v3Gr3y · 06/04/2024 17:29

Bellsandthistle · 06/04/2024 17:25

Since when has it been normal or acceptable for a man to go into the women’s toilet with his daughter?

Since we all get caught short with our young children so I’d say since forever.

Bellsandthistle · 06/04/2024 17:25

Since when has it been normal or acceptable for a man to go into the women’s toilet with his daughter?

EvenStillIWantTo · 06/04/2024 17:25

So he was in a cubicle with his daughter, is that right? And decided to have a pee while he was in there?

Why would you even care? I don't get it. We've all had moments with borderline age kids where the correct thing to do is a little bit blurry.

Jharris8 · 06/04/2024 17:23

rainbowunicorn · 06/04/2024 17:21

Oh look, yet another OP who posts a pile of shite to rile up the man haters and then fucks off. 🤔

It is so anti-men. If this thread was slagging off women in the same way nobody would tolerate it, but they do, cos it’s men, and yes it’s not ‘all men’ but lots of people like to say it is most men or always men causing the issues. So prejudiced - and no I don’t always defend men. I just think the double standards are incredible

rainbowunicorn · 06/04/2024 17:21

Oh look, yet another OP who posts a pile of shite to rile up the man haters and then fucks off. 🤔

Mummame2222 · 06/04/2024 17:18

Irridescantshimmmer · 06/04/2024 17:16

The one truly offensive thing about this is the fact that an adult is commenting on what you were doing in there, because what business is it of his?........And to encourage his child to do the same. It's twisted, weird and gross. The gents would be like a hurricane in a horses'stable on a Tuesday so to stop his kid from being scarred for life they used the ladies.

I think it’s likely the little girl was asking innocent questions and the Dad was answering, no?

Mummame2222 · 06/04/2024 17:17

As a woman, I think that I would rather be in an uncomfortable situation then a little girl have to use the men’s toilets.

Jharris8 · 06/04/2024 17:17

I’ll say it. No doubt there will be a pile on. I am as feminist as you like but there’s a lot of hatred towards men on here and sometimes often it goes too far. Gender aside he’s a parent trying to choose the safest and best option for his little girl. Not as if he’s gone in on his own cos the queue was too long for the men’s.

Irridescantshimmmer · 06/04/2024 17:16

The one truly offensive thing about this is the fact that an adult is commenting on what you were doing in there, because what business is it of his?........And to encourage his child to do the same. It's twisted, weird and gross. The gents would be like a hurricane in a horses'stable on a Tuesday so to stop his kid from being scarred for life they used the ladies.

BobbyBiscuits · 06/04/2024 17:13

There is no way he should have got aggressive. But at the same time if he was in a locked cubicle with his child, the fact he announced his urinary intention isn't instantly wrong. He could be just peed and not said anything at all, you wouldn't necessarily have known.
I'm not sure it would've been great him bringing his small daughter into the men's either though.

D0v3Gr3y · 06/04/2024 17:13

Whatthefnow · 06/04/2024 17:05

I would have peed and got on with my life.

Yep me too. Loving the way grown woman can’t cope with a dad looking after his little girl near to her in a public toilet but she expects said little girl to tolerate taking her pants down and being helped by her dad in an area with several men using urinals.

MN gets worse and worse.

ReadingSoManyThreads · 06/04/2024 17:12

Well, I wouldn't have wanted my husband to take our daughters into mens toilets due to the exposed urinals and strangers penises! So, I'm not against a Dad taking his young daughter into public toilets, where there is no family/unisex/or disabled toilet, I say that collectively as often the family toilet it combined in with the disabled.

Anyway, if I were you, I'd also have waited until they finished and left, I would also have been extremely uncomfortable with the commentary. He should be teaching her boundaries, about respecting other users privacy. And no, he should not have announced he was also going. I wouldn't have wanted to hear that either, but I could see why he would have. I just think he was a bit stupid to not think it through how uncomfortable that would make you feel. That just goes to show how so many men don't give a shit about women's comfort or dignity.

If it was just them two in the toilets, and no other users, I wouldn't have an issue of him taking a piss in there while he was there anyway.

SeismicSalad · 06/04/2024 17:12

funinthesun19 · 06/04/2024 16:19

“Zero harm done.”

Yes but that’s not what women are saying in any other circumstances. Why is this man all of sudden not a threat but all the others are? This is why I eye roll when people get up in arms about a young boy going in there. Why is a boy more of a threat than this man?

Edited

I don’t think the vast majority of men are a threat. I do have sympathy for women that feel like that - especially if they’ve been through something traumatic that’s led to that fear. I do also think a man taking his little girl to the loo is even less likely to be a threat than a randomly selected man. Before someone gets angry at me, I didn’t say it’s impossible - but pretty unlikely.

Clarabell77 · 06/04/2024 17:10

Maelil01 · 06/04/2024 16:17

You wouldn’t allow 8-10 yr old girls to go to the toilet on their own ?!

And we wonder why young people are helpless…

My 18 year old daughter is by no means helpless 😂 - she’s at uni, she drives, and has a part time job. I would just rather have accompanied her to a public toilet when necessary when she was a child to make sure she was safe rather than risk some oddball coming in while she was there and her being at risk.

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