To think Black Out nights in theatre ARE important

And you're trying to make the issue seem worthless by bringing a heap of complications and what ifs into it. Its not a complex definition of white, its not about what happens in other countries, its specifically about the unconcious bias that occurs in countries with largely Anglo-Saxon heritage against people of colour. Its not personal racism or nastiness between one person and another, it doesn't mean some white people aren't disadvantaged or discriminated against, its systemic racial bias which is still a massive discriminatory part of the system. We need to work on eliminating that and whilst ever that exists there will be situations in which a step up is needed just to level the playing field.

Much research has shown that two parent families, happily together raising the child/ren is the most significant factor in life

Or - as it says here in the link:

• Children are significantly more likely to avoid poverty and prison, and to graduate from college, if they are raised in an intact two-parent family.
• From poverty to college graduation to incarceration, black children and young adults from two-parent families are more likely to be flourishing than their white peers from single-parent families
• On average, black young adults from families headed by their mother and father are more likely to be flourishing educationally than black young adults from non-intact homes

“Children who grow up in a household with only one biological parent are worse off, on average, than children who grow up in a household with both of their biological parents, regardless of the parents’ race or educational background.”
^^

https://ifstudies.org/blog/less-poverty-less-prison-more-college-what-two-parents-mean-for-black-and-white-children

Agreed

I think you've explained it well. Im white and my life is certainly not privileged but that isn't what the term means. There's unconcious biasis that effect things at a societal level and we need to acknowledge they exist. I don't feel guilty for slavery or for racism or for white privilege, its not about guilt, it's about acknowledging the issue so we can work on fixing it. Other countries might have other different biasis to work on to have true equality, that doesn't change the situation in countries like England and the US and Australia. Two wrongs don't make a right.

What’s the quote? “When you have privilege, equality feels like oppression”.

ain’t that the truth!

Equality isn't treating everyone the same. Its about leveling the playing field so people have the same chances, the same education and the same rights. There is privilege in our society just from being white or even more white and male. There is racism and sexism and you can pretend all you want, but those things aren't gone. They should be, but until they are what groups that suffer racism, sexism and so on need is a leg up so they have a chance at reaching equality. And no it doesn't have to work both ways because there's already privilege on the other side of it.

@Lion400

I see your point but again when it comes to 'white privilege' then if white means white white must include white people from North Africa, pale skinned Hispanics, Jews, Eastern Europeans and the whole ideological edifice of white privilege starts to collapse.

the US government consider s a lot of people of middle eastern heritage white but they themselves don't identify as white. It's not simple. (Or if it's simple then we can't just ideologically align skin tone to privilege)

There are better ways to be more inclusive.

Often cost is an issue. I'd love to go to the theatre more often but I can't afford it.

Selling tickets at a discount in places you want your target audience from with travel included would be a better way to get more people interested. And include a drink / food at the interval.

That target group could be a geographical area, via a school, or linked to community hubs eg Food banks / community centres / social clubs.

Yes you are getting it wrong.

I reckon if one feels white, one is white. If one feels like a woman, one is a woman. Etcetera.

I’m feeling like a billionaire today. Must tell the bank.

Maybe someone can explain what a white person is? How do you define white?

@Iluvteandbiscuits .

It's not exactly white privilege is it. I think we ignore discrimination and abuse towards white people as it is rarer but it definitely exists. (Or should I say those that perceive them selves as white as mentioned before 'white' is complex term).

Perhaps racial division and the notion of 'white' people being oppressors excuses people from being offensive? I do feel terms like 'white privlige' leads to people seeing white people to become the victims of cultural and historical vengeance.

@valensiwalensi

I may be getting this wrong but are you suggesting the experience of white people during world war 2 was 'boring'. I was only suggesting that people may have an issue of suggesting inviting white people (of maybe an elderly age) to watch a play about the battle of Britain would be offensive. However the white people may be sharing an experience of be particularly emotionally involved in the topic because of heritage.

This example is so boring I can’t even be bothered to try and explain it to you

Threads like this just prove the point that in the current political climate, certain sections of society feel is is legally and socially acceptable to hurl abuse and attempt to pile on hate towards white people with impunity with the confidence their is no reply or retort for fear of reprisals, Its the bloody great elephant in the room every one ignores.

As for claiming to know how easy I have had it as a white woman, unless your a white woman who walked in my shoes you don't speak for me. Especially one who grew up in a predominantly ethnic area in Burnley where people like me were spat on and abused on a daily basis, by other sections of society for being white.

It's like having a WW2 movie set in Europe having a white only evening as the majority of combatants and civilians effected were white. That's not going to go down well.

It just sounds like segregation to me.

Replace it with 'white out' and see if you feel the same.

You have examples of 'white Palestinians and I presume some of these living in the West bank and Gaza may be a little bemused by this rather territory specific notion of white privlege. The concept of white privilege in some regions of the world is so simplistic it is borderline offensive and it denies manifest discrimination on differences resulting from things other than skin colour.

White Palesrinians would come under the non white category under critical race theory as they are an oppressed people showing that 'white privilege' is an extremely simplistic race sensitive term that could hinder more than help discussion about discrimination in societies .

Instead of 'white' if you really wish to try and associate privilege of would be much more instructive to use more explicit descriptions such as 'product of being a descendent of White western Europeans that have multiple generations fronthe same country privilege'. Once you more realistically define privilege you see it is more complex than an extremely limiting vision of 'white privilege'.

At the end of the day it’s about wealth. Wealthy people no matter their skin colour are more privileged than others. And vice versa.

In fact white or pale skinned Arabic women possibly show a flow in the white privilege argument in that it could show country of origin, culture, and immigration status absolutely swamp out the notion of skin colour bringing privilege.

https://www.google.com/search?sca_esv=2f800a701f0b426f&sca_upv=1&q=pale+arabic+women&uds=AMwkrPt8eR8Q1gfQGx0g1guoVKhMSRDz_V4JgdzMj1Mal7P54k24-rAiYC-GAirQHQYTzd7qHwzJH9fckdEGimBwEkRPva5h-ypU8f6s5eN_RhRjqjCR2CnRtF2xGq0Da319YfBhT7ev3De6p3se6xAJ-5EDPRsiiffV-QcvmXKGQIDBexSJhyzlOeHuuiPzByq08vIAyfdjmW8s2KZTG6m6t8GMAxRfDxdYKKi3epGDGnCxqDPaTM72JMwAVvvEfhW-hAieMvJBjLnwZsZM2NL_qjRGefaLuq_Vf6xRTnnyPZKWy3izMGmee1QxNHA_baaEJg9Atv1X&udm=2&prmd=ivnmbtz&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjihMern7SFAxU3S0EAHXrUAYgQtKgLegQICRAB&biw=800&bih=1280&dpr=1.5#vhid=QJTCuxYOpScwBM&vssid=mosaic

@AzureNewt

A bit of an aside but I don't know if your a pop can but has the singer Due Lips benefited from white privilege in terms of not having barriers to becoming a very successful artist?

https://www.google.com/search?q=dua+lipa&oq=dua+lipa&gs_lcrp=EgZjaHJvbWUqDAgAEEUYOxixAxiABDIMCAAQRRg7GLEDGIAEMgwIARAAGEMYgAQYigUyDAgCEAAYQxiABBiKBTIPCAMQABhDGLEDGIAEGIoFMgwIBBAAGEMYgAQYigUyDAgFEAAYQxiABBiKBTIPCAYQABhDGLEDGIAEGIoFMgwIBxAAGEMYgAQYigXSAQgyMzQzajBqNKgCALACAA&sourceid=silk&ie=UTF-8#vhid=F9aLfeFWYXcdiM&vssid=l

Although I would say from a purely physical point of her view her skin is white but her Kosovan Alabanian heritage, her name and her parent"a immigration status you may argue could put her into the non white category as far as 'white privelge' theory goes. Racism and bias as well as self perception as being white is a complex subject that can't be wrapped up into an overly simplistic divisive theory such as 'white privilege'.

Coming from Eastern Europe or being a hijab wearing Mulsim with pale i.e. white skin to maybe my uneducated means having a lot less 'white privilege' than a publically schooled white person that is the product multiple generations of UK wealthy white people.

I think you’ve got the wrong end of the stick.

I think that “themed” or special interest spaces are important. As a child free woman i wouldn’t dream of trying to impose myself on a gathering of mothers, I don’t want to be a member of the Garrick Club which is all male. I wouldn’t insist on joining a special meeting for Jewish people. I respect the need for those spaces.

We may not be enslavers but we perpetuate its legacy if we persist in a wilful ignorance of why such spaces are still necessary.

Please demonstrate where white people have been excluded from the theatre

Sorry, what? Doesn’t ‘import guilt’? Why exclude white people from the theatre then?