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To think Black Out nights in theatre ARE important

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PenguinLord · 06/04/2024 13:07

I know there was a theatre that did it last year and a thread about it- but there is a West End venue this year which will host two or three black out nights (where "all-black-identifying audiences" are invited) of the Slave Play. I had mixed feelings, but after having read a few articles on it, I actually agree with the concept- for the record I am very much white.

Spokesperson for the PM criticised black out nights saying "“The prime minister is a big supporter of the arts and he believes that the arts should be inclusive".

But let's face it, theatre experience is far from inclusive or accessible. Having 2 out of a few dozen nights will not really make a difference, nor excludes people who are not black to attend literally 80 if not more other performances. I was in theatre this week, and had a good look around. 98% of the audience were white. There were a few Asian people and 1 (one) black person- in the audience of around 300.

I suppose Id be far less likely to attend an event where I would stick out like a very sore thumb, is it really such a big deal to have two performances where people who dont usually feel theatre is an inclusive space can feel welcome, surrounded by people that belong to the same community?

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PenguinLord · 06/04/2024 14:15

Newcex · 06/04/2024 14:11

Not ignorant at all...not white people's fault if other ethnicities etc don't go to the theatre🙄

In a way- wrong. Racism/institunalised racism is a thing.
The fact people dont feel equal is a fact. The way I see it is that to create a more equal society, everyone needs to make a bit of an effort to make people feel like they can and do belong. It's not about blaming or faults, just stating that for some people it may take longer and they may need more encouragement to participate in certain activities. And Black out Nights is aiming at doing exactly that.

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tellmewhenthespaceshiplandscoz · 06/04/2024 14:14

Medschoolmum · 06/04/2024 13:14

If black performers and/or theatre-goers feel that it's important to have Black Out nights in a play about slavery, then I don't think it's my place as a white person to question that.

Agree. And I imagine the subject matter could be highly emotive for many audience members and frankly, for a white woman like me to chuck the reverse racism card (because someone on here will do that very soon, I will put money on it) and insist white people should be welcome is disgustingly ghoulish actually. Why do I need to see someone's trauma and upset? Everybody hates a tourist

Pickledf · 06/04/2024 14:13

YANBU I fully support black out nights. Those trying to enter into a whataboutism competition about white only showings are just showing their ignorance

Newcex · 06/04/2024 14:13

PenguinLord · 06/04/2024 14:08

The fact you're ignorant does not mean we all are as well.
I guess you didnt get the point that in most theatre all white night is the norm, although it's maybe unintended.

And black people are not asked not to attend 🙄

Blondiebeachbabe · 06/04/2024 14:13

Maybe we should ban poor people from watching The Crown?

IDontHateRainbows · 06/04/2024 14:12

Lazykitten · 06/04/2024 13:45

If there was, for example, a play about a women's event, or say on sexual violence, I'd really appreciate an option to attend with a female only audience. I don't want to watch something about my oppression sat next to my oppressor. Can imagine it's the same.

For God's sake, how is a white person in 2024 responsible for their ancestors oppression of others?

I say this as a beige person

StormingNorman · 06/04/2024 14:12

PressureLikeATickTickTick · 06/04/2024 13:44

And my husband is black and my children are mixed race and my husband found this horrifying when we discussed it.

He also pointed out to me that most black slaves were sold to white slave traders by black men!

Which I didn't know but found to be true. Black Africans sold their own to white men.

Not all people with black heritage need to agree. Those who don’t want to attend a black out performance can attend any of the other nights.

I had quite a few friends of African and Caribbean origin and there was ‘banter’ between them about who descended from the sellers and who from the sold. (That sounds fucking awful now when I write it). So I think some black people will feel the history and legacy of slavery, perhaps in their own family trees, more keenly than others.

it is about choice and equality in this situation means giving black people the opportunity to heal from something that I (white) don’t need to heal from. Not every black person will need that opportunity but it doesn’t mean it shouldn’t be offered.

Medschoolmum · 06/04/2024 14:12

jollyblink · 06/04/2024 14:08

We don't need a 'safe space'! That's childish

I am not saying that anyone does or doesn't need a safe space. I'm merely saying that, if some black people feel that they want or need such a space, I respect that. It isn't for me to judge.

Of course, some back people won't think it's necessary or appropriate, and I respect their views as well.

It isn't about segregation.

PenguinLord · 06/04/2024 14:11

Lion400 · 06/04/2024 14:10

A ‘safe space’? Safe from what? Safe from who?

Safe from people like you by the sounds of it 😂

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Newcex · 06/04/2024 14:11

PenguinLord · 06/04/2024 14:08

The fact you're ignorant does not mean we all are as well.
I guess you didnt get the point that in most theatre all white night is the norm, although it's maybe unintended.

Not ignorant at all...not white people's fault if other ethnicities etc don't go to the theatre🙄

Bigearringsbigsmile · 06/04/2024 14:10

Finlesswonder · 06/04/2024 14:08

Do you think theatres should have Working Class Nights too?

Yes,that's a good idea

Lion400 · 06/04/2024 14:10

Medschoolmum · 06/04/2024 14:02

This is not about segregation, though. It's about providing a safe space.

Very different.

A ‘safe space’? Safe from what? Safe from who?

PenguinLord · 06/04/2024 14:10

jollyblink · 06/04/2024 14:08

We don't need a 'safe space'! That's childish

"I'm alright, Jack!"
You don't, but maybe some other people might need one?
Just an idea :)

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Blondiebeachbabe · 06/04/2024 14:10

There were lots of white slaves in Africa, between the 15th and 19th Centuries. If there was a film about this, would you ban black people from coming to the Cinema to watch it? And if you did, do you think you'd actually get away with that, or would there be outrage?

jollyblink · 06/04/2024 14:08

Medschoolmum · 06/04/2024 14:02

This is not about segregation, though. It's about providing a safe space.

Very different.

We don't need a 'safe space'! That's childish

PenguinLord · 06/04/2024 14:08

Newcex · 06/04/2024 14:05

'I was in theatre this week, and had a good look around. 98% of the audience were white' who gives a fuck?
Lol..how about a white night where no black/Asian/anyone else is included. Imagine that

The fact you're ignorant does not mean we all are as well.
I guess you didnt get the point that in most theatre all white night is the norm, although it's maybe unintended.

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Finlesswonder · 06/04/2024 14:08

PenguinLord · 06/04/2024 14:04

But very few do because they find theatres uninclusive. White audiecnes assume they are included, many minorities dont feel they are- and Black out Nights are meant to encourage black audiences to feel included and potentially frequent spaces mroe often.

Do you think theatres should have Working Class Nights too?

Medschoolmum · 06/04/2024 14:08

Newcex · 06/04/2024 14:07

Because if it was the other way round there would be fucking outrage

But it isn't the other way around, so what's the problem?

HRTQueen · 06/04/2024 14:07

Why not.

I would have absolutely no issue with a play about the holocaust having only Jewish audience nights or sexual assault against women and girls only having female nights for example

its an extremely emotive subject

but this was last months news wasn’t it ? And I think you know who shall come out to comment

Newcex · 06/04/2024 14:07

PenguinLord · 06/04/2024 13:53

You have 80+ other performances of the play to see, why would you feel excluded if you are asked not to attend on one night out of 60?

Because if it was the other way round there would be fucking outrage

PenguinLord · 06/04/2024 14:06

EauNeu · 06/04/2024 13:58

I would like to understand more. It feels like ghettoisation which I think in the 90s we were really moving away from. It feels like we're going back to and it feels regressive.

Just one out of many reads- if the writer of the play thinks it's a necessary idea, why would you think it's ghettoisation? (self-ghettoisation?)
Black members can attend any other performances as well, not just the two nights.
https://www.standard.co.uk/comment/kit-harington-jeremy-o-harris-slave-play-west-end-black-out-theatre-b1142303.html

If you think London doesn't need 'Black Out' theatre nights you're wrong

Last summer, on a trip to the West End to watch Hamilton with my mum, as we were tucking into some outrageously overpriced ice-cream, she glanced around and muttered: “You know, I love the theatre, but it’s such a shame there are so few other black peo...

https://www.standard.co.uk/comment/kit-harington-jeremy-o-harris-slave-play-west-end-black-out-theatre-b1142303.html

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Newcex · 06/04/2024 14:05

'I was in theatre this week, and had a good look around. 98% of the audience were white' who gives a fuck?
Lol..how about a white night where no black/Asian/anyone else is included. Imagine that

PenguinLord · 06/04/2024 14:04

Bigearringsbigsmile · 06/04/2024 13:57

But black people can also go to every single other performance too! This isn't 1970s south Africa!

But very few do because they find theatres uninclusive. White audiecnes assume they are included, many minorities dont feel they are- and Black out Nights are meant to encourage black audiences to feel included and potentially frequent spaces mroe often.

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Medschoolmum · 06/04/2024 14:02

Lion400 · 06/04/2024 14:01

Segregation is never ok. MLK knew it why don’t we?

This is not about segregation, though. It's about providing a safe space.

Very different.

PenguinLord · 06/04/2024 14:01

yesmen · 06/04/2024 13:55

It has something to say, and says it, in my opinion, by humiliating everyone on the stage.

But - you may see it differently.

Drop me a pm after you have seen it? We culd discuss it!

Will do! Im even more curious now!

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