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To think Black Out nights in theatre ARE important

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PenguinLord · 06/04/2024 13:07

I know there was a theatre that did it last year and a thread about it- but there is a West End venue this year which will host two or three black out nights (where "all-black-identifying audiences" are invited) of the Slave Play. I had mixed feelings, but after having read a few articles on it, I actually agree with the concept- for the record I am very much white.

Spokesperson for the PM criticised black out nights saying "“The prime minister is a big supporter of the arts and he believes that the arts should be inclusive".

But let's face it, theatre experience is far from inclusive or accessible. Having 2 out of a few dozen nights will not really make a difference, nor excludes people who are not black to attend literally 80 if not more other performances. I was in theatre this week, and had a good look around. 98% of the audience were white. There were a few Asian people and 1 (one) black person- in the audience of around 300.

I suppose Id be far less likely to attend an event where I would stick out like a very sore thumb, is it really such a big deal to have two performances where people who dont usually feel theatre is an inclusive space can feel welcome, surrounded by people that belong to the same community?

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SunshineDaisiesButterMellowxx · 06/04/2024 23:17

InTheShallowTheShalalalalalalalow · 06/04/2024 23:11

I don't assume anyone's race, religion, sexuality or anything else on here. Unless someone directly says something about themselves I wouldn't have a clue.

I won't watch her because I fundamentally disagree with her views.

You're oddly obsessed by her though.

Of course I'm obsessed. I'm glad you know so much about me.

Waving Mixed Martial Arts GIF by UFC
Pickledf · 06/04/2024 23:17

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tellmewhenthespaceshiplandscoz · 06/04/2024 23:15

OK. You think it's fine for white people to have a say in how black people should respond to the legacy of slavery. I don't think it's my place.

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Absolutely this.

SunshineDaisiesButterMellowxx · 06/04/2024 23:13

Pickledf · 06/04/2024 23:08

You considering one of the most conservative voices in US politics as pretty neutral says everything we need to know about your views.

Awww bless you😢 is she HTH😘

I apologise sincerely that it doesn't fit your narrative.

I'll pray for you too😊

Medschoolmum · 06/04/2024 23:12

Anele22 · 06/04/2024 23:04

But divisiveness affects all of us, you can’t opt out. If it’s a bad idea, it’s a bad idea. That’s what the discussion is about. If it makes more problems, makes people feel segregated then it’s not as simple as ‘don’t go’.

No, it is isn't as simple as saying "don't go".

Black people who don't like the idea should absolutely speak out about it. Their voices should be heard.

But if there are differences of opinion, whose voices should win? Does one group get to veto what the other group wants?

As a woman, I might want certain spaces to be women only. Some women might feel that this is divisive. Do I need the approval of every other woman on the planet for this to be allowed? Why should their wishes trump mine, and who gets to decide?

As long as no laws are being broken, is it not a case of each to their own?

InTheShallowTheShalalalalalalalow · 06/04/2024 23:11

SunshineDaisiesButterMellowxx · 06/04/2024 23:07

You're right you didn't say it, but your assumption did.

You won't watch her because it's HTH😘

I don't assume anyone's race, religion, sexuality or anything else on here. Unless someone directly says something about themselves I wouldn't have a clue.

I won't watch her because I fundamentally disagree with her views.

You're oddly obsessed by her though.

Pickledf · 06/04/2024 23:09

Anele22 · 06/04/2024 23:06

Thank you for illustrating my point!
Luckily you show so little bigotry yourself 👏👏👏

Is stating a fact bigotry now?

Pickledf · 06/04/2024 23:08

SunshineDaisiesButterMellowxx · 06/04/2024 23:04

Urrm she's pretty neutral.

You considering one of the most conservative voices in US politics as pretty neutral says everything we need to know about your views.

SunshineDaisiesButterMellowxx · 06/04/2024 23:07

InTheShallowTheShalalalalalalalow · 06/04/2024 22:53

Where did I say you're white?

And I absolutely won't be giving her any views or attention at all.

You're right you didn't say it, but your assumption did.

You won't watch her because it's HTH😘

Anele22 · 06/04/2024 23:06

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Thank you for illustrating my point!
Luckily you show so little bigotry yourself 👏👏👏

Medschoolmum · 06/04/2024 23:04

SammyScrounge · 06/04/2024 22:24

Excuse me, but everyone has the right to question any group's activity or ideas. They may come away convinced by a group or they may not but they should not disqualify themselves from thinking on the grounds of colour.

OK. You think it's fine for white people to have a say in how black people should respond to the legacy of slavery. I don't think it's my place.

We will have to agree to disagree.

Anele22 · 06/04/2024 23:04

Medschoolmum · 06/04/2024 22:50

Yes, of course. They get to voice their opinions on the matter and they get to vote with their feet. If the event is a flop because nobody goes, then the theatre probably won't bother doing a similar event again.

However, I don't think that black people who dislike the idea get to dictate how other black people should feel about it.

But divisiveness affects all of us, you can’t opt out. If it’s a bad idea, it’s a bad idea. That’s what the discussion is about. If it makes more problems, makes people feel segregated then it’s not as simple as ‘don’t go’.

SunshineDaisiesButterMellowxx · 06/04/2024 23:04

Prawncow · 06/04/2024 22:56

Candace Owens, give her a watch. You might actually learn something unbiased

I think you need this

Urrm she's pretty neutral.

Pickledf · 06/04/2024 23:02

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Anele22 · 06/04/2024 22:59

PlasticOno · 06/04/2024 22:41

A majority group deciding what’s best for a comparatively historically disempowered minority?

No, not the majority group. A lot of black and mixed race people too. Actually the thread reads like a lot of white people thinking the black out nights are a good idea.

Pickledf · 06/04/2024 22:58

Anele22 · 06/04/2024 22:10

Is this how you think white people will behave in the audience of the Slave Play?

You really are silly if you don’t think this happens all the time.

The comments I heard from white people coming out a screening of the new little mermaid was appalling enough.

SunshineDaisiesButterMellowxx · 06/04/2024 22:58

Medschoolmum · 06/04/2024 22:41

I'm not missing the point.

I just think the point that you're making is racist, because you are intentionally seeking to minimise the significance of historic oppression.

Yes you are.
Look up the word racism. You'll find the term fits all colours, not just black but hey, whatever you want to believe.

Honestly, watch Candace Owens. Might learn a thing or two👍🏽

Prawncow · 06/04/2024 22:56

Candace Owens, give her a watch. You might actually learn something unbiased

I think you need this

To think Black Out nights in theatre ARE important
Anele22 · 06/04/2024 22:54

There’s some real unpleasantness on this thread. It was started as a discussion point by an OP who has no interest in opinions that differ from hers, to the point where she’s quite rude to a lot of posters with alternative views.

And a whole load of other posters accusing people of ignorance and racism when they have a different opinion. There are some perfectly valid points of view by black and white people who think that black out nights are divisive. It’s not racism, it’s a different opinion.

InTheShallowTheShalalalalalalalow · 06/04/2024 22:53

SunshineDaisiesButterMellowxx · 06/04/2024 22:50

But wrongly assumed that I am white?? Ok.

"That's always the last resort of someone who has run out of points to make"

Absolutely not, it's just quite exhausting and boring proving your hatred for the white folk.

But I'll pray for you 🙏😘

Oh Candace Owens, give her a watch. You might actually learn something unbiased

Where did I say you're white?

And I absolutely won't be giving her any views or attention at all.

SunshineDaisiesButterMellowxx · 06/04/2024 22:52

HotelKitchen · 06/04/2024 22:49

What's heratige? Do you mean heritage?

And here is where you lost your argument. I am embarrassed for you!

Ok, good for you

SunshineDaisiesButterMellowxx · 06/04/2024 22:50

InTheShallowTheShalalalalalalalow · 06/04/2024 22:41

All I've said is that I'm not white. Not that it matters anyways.

Thanks for correcting my spelling, you got my spelling mistake wrong there though.

That's always the last resort of someone who has run out of points to make. Thankfully, for you, I have fat fingers, so will probably make enough mistakes to make you seem clever for a while.

But wrongly assumed that I am white?? Ok.

"That's always the last resort of someone who has run out of points to make"

Absolutely not, it's just quite exhausting and boring proving your hatred for the white folk.

But I'll pray for you 🙏😘

Oh Candace Owens, give her a watch. You might actually learn something unbiased

Medschoolmum · 06/04/2024 22:50

Anele22 · 06/04/2024 22:26

What about black people who not only don’t want to go to a black only night, but actually feel that the idea is divisive and regressive? Do they have a say?

Yes, of course. They get to voice their opinions on the matter and they get to vote with their feet. If the event is a flop because nobody goes, then the theatre probably won't bother doing a similar event again.

However, I don't think that black people who dislike the idea get to dictate how other black people should feel about it.

HotelKitchen · 06/04/2024 22:49

SunshineDaisiesButterMellowxx · 06/04/2024 22:36

However you have no idea where I'm from, what I know about, what I listen to, what I watch, what my heratige is or anything else.

You've given yourself away a bit during this thread though, given your biased responses.

What's heratige? Do you mean heritage?

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What's heratige? Do you mean heritage?

And here is where you lost your argument. I am embarrassed for you!

Anele22 · 06/04/2024 22:49

InTheShallowTheShalalalalalalalow · 06/04/2024 17:20

So you're only bothered about the racism that effects you personally, the rest is all 'nonsense'?

That’s not what she’s saying at all. I read her comment as saying that this is tokenism and doesn’t address real inequality in a meaningful way