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To think the UK has gone to hell in a handcart?

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Superlambaanana · 06/04/2024 12:01

I’m just so fed up hearing about powerful people (usually men) getting away with things. It seems to have become the norm for them to do whatever the hell they like with zero consequences beyond a bit of handwringing in the media, which dies down fairly quickly, and never results in anything changing or being overturned. Leaving us ‘little people’ just having to suck it up.

Examples:

P&O sacked 800 workers in 2022. The CEO, Peter Hebblethwaite even admitted it was illegal. Yet nothing was ever done about it and he’s still CEO!

Liz Truss’s honours list. Bit of a roasting in the press for a day or two, but all the Truss supporters still got their honours in the end. Add to that Boris Johnston’s and the very dubious Charlotte Owen, and now Rishi Sunak creating a whole new honours round to make sure some party donors were rewarded in a blatant exercise in corruption.

Prince Andrew. Apparently still thinking of making a return to public life!!!!!! I mean, wtaf?!!!!!!

Michelle Mone. Has she really faced any actual consequences?

Phillip Scofield. Cheats on wife, bullies colleagues and his boyfriend, but achieves victim status because he was coming out of the closet.

Post Office scandal. Yes it’s managed to get some traction, but people will tire of it eventually and I bet that happens long before the sub-post masters get any justice or decent compensation.

Cost of living crisis and energy companies making absolute fortunes at all our expense with no prospect of bills actually coming back down to where they should be - no, instead we should be happy that they aren’t going up just as fast as last year!

Water companies. Borrowing money to give shareholders big payouts instead of actually managing the water and sewage systems to the extent that rivers are now full of faeces.

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Geebray · 06/04/2024 15:17

ginasevern · 06/04/2024 15:14

I completely agree. The situation with Northern European royalty is simply not comparable. They are not feted as demigods or considered beyond reproach no matter what they do or how appallingly they behave. The Northern Europeans do not actually believe their royalty are "adorable everyday folk" or somehow exemplary human beings and their press does not continually brainwash its citizens to this end. Compound all of this with our RF's utterly obscene wealth, most of which was snatched, grabbed and stolen from Empire and the true amount of which will never be revealed to the British public.

Conveniently forgetting the Spanish royal family - now there is a shit show!

And Monaco's!

LlynTegid · 06/04/2024 15:16

If you voted Tory or did not vote at any time since and including 2010, you are part of the cause. For example, it's not as if Boris Johnson's behaviour was a surprise after all, he's been ill-treating women for at least 20 years.

ginasevern · 06/04/2024 15:14

DramaLlamaBangBang · 06/04/2024 14:48

Northern European countries have Royal Familes though. The difference seems to be that they are far more scaled back, willing to change with the times and pledge allegiance to the people, rather than us being expected to pledge allegiance to them. That we have a 'National' anthem that is about the preservaion of one person is ridiculous!

I completely agree. The situation with Northern European royalty is simply not comparable. They are not feted as demigods or considered beyond reproach no matter what they do or how appallingly they behave. The Northern Europeans do not actually believe their royalty are "adorable everyday folk" or somehow exemplary human beings and their press does not continually brainwash its citizens to this end. Compound all of this with our RF's utterly obscene wealth, most of which was snatched, grabbed and stolen from Empire and the true amount of which will never be revealed to the British public.

Geebray · 06/04/2024 15:11

Superlambaanana · 06/04/2024 15:04

Now by 'that sort of thing' do you mean corruption generally of have you properly read the op? I'm on about blatant, open, in-your-face wrongdoing with zero consequences, except a few days of bad press.

Those things happen in all countries. To think it's unique to the UK is bizarrely insular.

madroid · 06/04/2024 15:10

The GLARING omission in your list OP IS the MEDIA.

Owned by billionaires, courted by politicians, they are hand in glove with the corruption.

They depend on the establishment talking to them to fill their papers, and the billionaires to advertise and keep them afloat. It is in their interests to support the establishment and vice versa.

Within this net of obligation and back scratching is the media's function to tell the masses what to think. And they are good at it. Most of mn is a determined by what the media tell posters to think.

Superlambaanana · 06/04/2024 15:04

Geebray · 06/04/2024 14:57

OP, do you seriously think that sort of thing is unique to the UK?

Now by 'that sort of thing' do you mean corruption generally of have you properly read the op? I'm on about blatant, open, in-your-face wrongdoing with zero consequences, except a few days of bad press.

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Gonnagetgoingreturnsagain · 06/04/2024 14:59

MeMyCatsAndMyBooks · 06/04/2024 12:03

Phillip Scofield actually lost almost all his contracts. This morning, gone. We buy any car, gone. Etc.

But yes whole heartedly agree about the others.

And you really feel sorry for him do you?! He had to pay off the young man he groomed and I’m so pleased about that, he ruined any sort of career plans in tv the young man had.

Superlambaanana · 06/04/2024 14:58

daisychain01 · 06/04/2024 13:46

Another one for your list @Superlambaanana on LBC news today they were talking about the tax dodges that big corporates in UK get away with.

Companies like Apple, Starbucks, Google are all at it. They restructure their companies, divert profits to other parts of their behemoths etc, basically tax evasion by another name, because they have clever accountants and tax lawyers who know all the loopholes and exploit them.

Their response is always that they "complied with relevant tax laws". Disingenuous in the extreme Angry

£2bn would have helped sort out the NHS (trouble is if the NHS got the money they would squander it through mismanagement so that's another Angry issue.

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2023/oct/16/uk-lost-out-on-2bn-in-tax-in-2021-as-big-tech-shifted-profits-abroad-claim-campaigners#:~:text=The%20UK%20might%20have%20missed,campaigning%20for%20greater%20tax%20transparency.

Wasn't there a tv programme about this? A village that decided to follow the tax trail all over the world and found it was all perfectly legal but horribly immoral.

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Hartley99 · 06/04/2024 14:58

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Exactly. I hardly think a country is falling apart because of a loathsome little twerp like Philip Scofield. And Prince Andrew is hardly worth talking about (same goes for the rest of his ghastly, vulgar family). Most of the things you complain about are found all over the world. Corruption, greed and selfishness are universal. Do you really think it’s any different in Australia or Japan?

PontiacFirebird · 06/04/2024 14:57

There is little interest in society or a safety net and support for those who need it most. Because these are people who have been fortunate enough, by virtue of accident of birth, to never face hardship.

And you see that attitude replicated on here nowadays all the time.
People who don’t know, or want to know, their neighbours, who only care about their “ little family”, who are heartless and often vicious about anyone needing benefits, or on a low wage. People who are maybe either comfortably retired or in their 30s, in good health, who don’t recognise that misfortune or ill health can happen to anyone.
I think that when you have leaders in politics and industry who are so blatant about their moral vacuity and disregard for human frailty then some people take that as the green light to behave the same way. Sadly without realising they are also seen as disposable by those in charge.
I barely recognise this country anymore.

Geebray · 06/04/2024 14:57

OP, do you seriously think that sort of thing is unique to the UK?

Superlambaanana · 06/04/2024 14:56

DownWithThisKindOfThing · 06/04/2024 13:34

I agree. Add also Boris Johnson, Matt Hancock etc whose ineptitude and dithering in Covid caused thousands of people to die and then stuck 2 fingers up at the dead by ignoring their own rules.

Yes Hancock is a good example of brazenness.

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TinySmol · 06/04/2024 14:56

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Hi Boris.

Superlambaanana · 06/04/2024 14:56

0sm0nthus · 06/04/2024 13:32

If anything these days those in power get bollocked more for it because with the advent of the Internet and people generally becoming more socially aware it's much harder for them to get away with hiding what they get up to
I think this is very true.
People in power will always try to exploit those over whom they have power, their ability to do it depends on their ability to fool us, to pull the wool over our eyes.
They can't fool all of the people all of the time.

But it's when they don't hide it or try to pull the wool over our eyes that I'm on about. It's the blatant- yes I have given honours to someone in return for cash: what of it little people? attitude that I'm calling out here.

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Geebray · 06/04/2024 14:54

I mean, look what the Spanish Prime Minister did to stay in power! Total hypocrisy.

Superlambaanana · 06/04/2024 14:54

PissOffJeffrey · 06/04/2024 13:32

I don't think Philip Schofield got away with anything TBH. He has paid the price for his actions.

The rest I completely agree with.

Yeh I am thinking Scofield was a bad example in hindsight. Mind you I'm sure he still gets invited to plenty of dinner parties and nice events and has a very nice lifestyle just out of the public eye after earning lots of money through duping us all about his true nature.

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IvorTheEngineDriver · 06/04/2024 14:53

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Couldn't have put it better myself.

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Superlambaanana · 06/04/2024 14:51

ginasevern · 06/04/2024 13:27

Get the fucking Tories out for a start, then nationalise essential services/utilities. Shareholders take precedence over customers and the environment. It's a bloody disgrace and a disaster.

Also OP I totally agree with you. All these corrupt men (it is usually men) get away with murder. Front page news one day and the threat of inquiries left right and centre and then everyone just walks away whistling, like nothing happened.

I honestly cannot think of an example of someone powerful who has got their just desserts. Bernie Madoff died pretty soon into his sentence and Epstein also died before receiving justice. The politicians actually go on to profit from their brazen actions!

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Geebray · 06/04/2024 14:49

Similar stuff happen in all countries.

DramaLlamaBangBang · 06/04/2024 14:48

ginasevern · 06/04/2024 14:33

It is. The establishment serves the rich and the right wing first and foremost. That includes the (increasingly desperate) preservation at all costs of the Royal Family.

Northern European countries have Royal Familes though. The difference seems to be that they are far more scaled back, willing to change with the times and pledge allegiance to the people, rather than us being expected to pledge allegiance to them. That we have a 'National' anthem that is about the preservaion of one person is ridiculous!

Superlambaanana · 06/04/2024 14:48

itsjustbiology · 06/04/2024 13:25

I think what the OP is asking for and basically like most of us is looking at people being held responsible and accountable. Morals,fairness and high standards seem to be lost with people who can affect so many lives for the better. The cover ups and scandals erode trust and we have to stand by and watch it happen. It is very wrong in my view. I get the OP in her opening post. I think many of us feel the same.We feel let down badly.

Yes it's the lack of accountability I'm on about rather than the fact that corruption exists per se. I think many now don't even bother to cover it up! Even the days of 'a good day to release bad news' seem to be over. It's just brazen it out because, sure, who's going to do anything about it?

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dameofdilemma · 06/04/2024 14:36

I agree with your OP - accountability has been on a downward spiral over the last ten years.

I do feel this is the natural consequence of being governed by a cabinet largely made up of the independently wealthy.

There is little interest in society or a safety net and support for those who need it most. Because these are people who have been fortunate enough, by virtue of accident of birth, to never face hardship.

Wealth and status have shielded them. Privilege, elitism, an assumption that they have the right to lead - that’s their mantra.

They naturally lean towards others like them - tech billionaires, media moguls, the wealthy and powerful.

Make a donation - buy a peership - mould legislation to favour your shareholders - ensure pesky things like increased taxes for the uber wealthy, rent controls etc never see the light of day.

I don’t have faith however in the electorate. They’re easily distracted by migrant scare stories, ULEZ or whatever - while the Cabinet carry on unchallenged.

Riapia · 06/04/2024 14:34

“ To carry on in quiet desperation is the English way”.
Pink Floyd.

ginasevern · 06/04/2024 14:33

0sm0nthus · 06/04/2024 14:27

Their response is always that they "complied with relevant tax laws"
Laws which are passed by the wealthy and Powerful in order to benefit the wealthy and Powerful, it's all about preserving existing structures of wealth and power.

It is. The establishment serves the rich and the right wing first and foremost. That includes the (increasingly desperate) preservation at all costs of the Royal Family.

0sm0nthus · 06/04/2024 14:27

Their response is always that they "complied with relevant tax laws"
Laws which are passed by the wealthy and Powerful in order to benefit the wealthy and Powerful, it's all about preserving existing structures of wealth and power.

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