Please or to access all these features

AIBU?

Share your dilemmas and get honest opinions from other Mumsnetters.

I've caused WW3 at work - vegetarian

446 replies

Lazykitten · 06/04/2024 08:42

I'm veggie. Nearly vegan but once in a blue moon eat cheese so don't refer to myself as that.

We have a team meal booked. In theory it's for us plebs as a thank you for hitting targets. In reality it's to network with the big bosses who comes up to celebrate with us.

Meal is booked in Manchester in the evening at a restaurant renowned for its meat. You don't order a meal, they just come round with sides of beef,lamb, pork etc every 5 minutes and carve at the table. I'm not going to eat this. Nor do I want to sit there surrounded by meat, its been so long since I've ate it the smell turns my stomach a little. Plus it's Manchester not exactly a small town so there was opportunity to book plenty of other nice restaurants. So I've said thank you but no thank you as I wouldn't enjoy it.

Team manager says I'm being ridiculous. That there's a salad bar. And if I don't come I'll need to book the day off as leave.

We've locked horns before as in the summer we had an event at a famous race course - one where there are often fatalities. I said I didn't want to go as I disagree with horse racing, he pushed me into it, so I went and felt awful. I'm not going this year so I'm going to have that battle coming up too.

I'm not a confrontational person so this is really upsetting me. I just wanted to quietly decline but now it's blown up and everyone seems to have an opinion.

Do you think I need to suck it up and go?

OP posts:
Thread gallery
6
angeldelightisyummy · 06/04/2024 22:36

CrispsandStEtienne · 06/04/2024 19:00

YABU. There will be a vegetarian option, there literally always is.

No, not always a vegetarian option. No vegan option is quite common.

I’d not be going to this. Yes it might look a bit awkward - 6 or so down to go, one drops out.

How would they cope if one was a Hindu, Jew or Muslim? Or had allergies?

Bundobust is a 10 min walk away. Much nicer food on offer - and a great deal cheaper.

This ‘reward’ is a statement meal. Stick to your decision. See HR.

All the best.

Volpini · 06/04/2024 21:38

Lazykitten · 06/04/2024 21:14

Don't fight people!!

I've had a gin now so am having grumpy conversations in my head. This is, quite literally, supposed to be a reward as its in my R&R and not only has it caused an atmosphere but even if I don't go, I'm still going to have to come into the office when I'd usually WFH. Not much of a blooming incentive is it? Will just not meet targets this year so no problem 😆

Also, surely it would have been easy to consult us as its OUR REWARD! Only 5 of us, or 6 if you include TM. Colleagues would have been quite happy with the Ivy, or 20 Stories or similar

Really sorry this subject is winding you up on your Saturday night, but your feelings are telling you that this situation is off.
The inconsiderate choice of restaurant is one thing, but - if I were you - your manager‘s graceless way of foisting his personal preferences on the team, even when he knows this will cause one of his team members discomfort, would be the issue for me here. For this to happen once could - at a push - be written off as clumsy. His persistence is something else and it sounds to me like he is creating a hostile atmosphere… You have tried to speak to him, and he has dug in, so in your shoes I really would be considering a chat with HR not limited to this dinner, but his whole approach to team events. You’ve heard the opinions of HR reps on here - it’s not you, it’s him.
I doubt this is the only scenario in which he’s tricky. His is not exactly a model of selfless leadership, is he? Let’s be positive and think that, by bringing this to the attention of HR, he will have opportunities to be supported, grow and develop…or be supported in leaving.
All this bother due to his inflexibility when he could literally have listened and changed the booking to the Ivy - I completely changed my whole wedding for 80 people with 3 weeks to go. I am sure he can manage to rebook for a different venue for dinner for 6 people on a weeknight in April…what a tit.

Hedgehog23 · 06/04/2024 21:38

Is there any kind of union at your work? I think it would be helpful to suggest they look at venues for events that might be more inclusive for people I.e. not a race course and a restaurant that caters better for veggies and vegans (though might also serve meat).

Londonrach1 · 06/04/2024 21:35

Go for drinks before but explain you have a ore booked theatre trip or something else. Sometimes a white lie is needed .sad you have too but sounds like you have a difficult manager. Are you happy in the job, if ride this out of not maybe look for another....

AngryBookworm · 06/04/2024 21:35

Your team lead is being aggressive in the hope that you'll be intimidated into not telling anyone that he's made a poor decision. I would mention it to HR, especially the bit about him saying you'd need a day's leave if you didn't go to the dinner given it's not during the working day and has been sold as a 'treat' for you. The company is paying for this so they should know their resources are being used poorly. It's in dodgy legal territory to insist someone goes to a restaurant like this during the evening when it's not an operationally necessary event, so HR should know about that too. He didn't have to handle it that way and it's probably useful for them to know that he chose to.

HollyKnight · 06/04/2024 21:29

@lpylou since when has meat been a gender thing?!

lpylou · 06/04/2024 21:27

What's the female to male ratio at this meal out of curiosity?

Beekeepingmum · 06/04/2024 21:25

I'm a veggie and I have been to Fazenda in Manchester. I don't recall it being overly traumatic - The veggie options were good. That said Manchester isn't exactly short of good places to eat.

lpylou · 06/04/2024 21:20

I am not veggie but also not wild about meat, I eat it but large amounts really put me off. I wouldn't enjoy this restaurant at all. It sounds like it's geared up for men full stop. I was the only woman at a meal at a steak restaurant with work and I ordered the lobster, chips and salad - I was the only one! But I would strongly not like meat being brought to the table non stop.

Lazykitten · 06/04/2024 21:14

Don't fight people!!

I've had a gin now so am having grumpy conversations in my head. This is, quite literally, supposed to be a reward as its in my R&R and not only has it caused an atmosphere but even if I don't go, I'm still going to have to come into the office when I'd usually WFH. Not much of a blooming incentive is it? Will just not meet targets this year so no problem 😆

Also, surely it would have been easy to consult us as its OUR REWARD! Only 5 of us, or 6 if you include TM. Colleagues would have been quite happy with the Ivy, or 20 Stories or similar

OP posts:
Nicetobenice67 · 06/04/2024 21:13

Personally I wouldn’t go and wouldn’t let anyone make me feel bad about my decision

UncleHerbie · 06/04/2024 21:12

Lazykitten · 06/04/2024 08:42

I'm veggie. Nearly vegan but once in a blue moon eat cheese so don't refer to myself as that.

We have a team meal booked. In theory it's for us plebs as a thank you for hitting targets. In reality it's to network with the big bosses who comes up to celebrate with us.

Meal is booked in Manchester in the evening at a restaurant renowned for its meat. You don't order a meal, they just come round with sides of beef,lamb, pork etc every 5 minutes and carve at the table. I'm not going to eat this. Nor do I want to sit there surrounded by meat, its been so long since I've ate it the smell turns my stomach a little. Plus it's Manchester not exactly a small town so there was opportunity to book plenty of other nice restaurants. So I've said thank you but no thank you as I wouldn't enjoy it.

Team manager says I'm being ridiculous. That there's a salad bar. And if I don't come I'll need to book the day off as leave.

We've locked horns before as in the summer we had an event at a famous race course - one where there are often fatalities. I said I didn't want to go as I disagree with horse racing, he pushed me into it, so I went and felt awful. I'm not going this year so I'm going to have that battle coming up too.

I'm not a confrontational person so this is really upsetting me. I just wanted to quietly decline but now it's blown up and everyone seems to have an opinion.

Do you think I need to suck it up and go?

Absolutely fucking not! 😡 How dare they? Would they expect an observant Jew or Muslim to eat park? Because that’s the reality

Tell him no and use my example to shame him. Good luck!

katepilar · 06/04/2024 21:07

I am not a vegetarian and would hate such a place too!

pensione · 06/04/2024 21:03

Volpini · 06/04/2024 21:01

Have a lovely evening, pensione. I’ve had my vitamins, so better luck goading someone else.

Goady one would be you, no one asked you to respond with your bilge about abattoirs and splatterings of animal fat and bits of meat being carved. I think you’ve been watching too many documentaries about serial killers.

Buh-bye.

Volpini · 06/04/2024 21:01

pensione · 06/04/2024 20:54

So why make your asinine, irrelevant comments?

Have a lovely evening, pensione. I’ve had my vitamins, so better luck goading someone else.

pensione · 06/04/2024 20:54

Volpini · 06/04/2024 20:50

I have read the thread as well as your charming comments.

So why make your asinine, irrelevant comments?

Volpini · 06/04/2024 20:50

This reply has been deleted

Message deleted by MNHQ. Here's a link to our Talk Guidelines.

I have read the thread as well as your charming comments.

Volpini · 06/04/2024 20:43

Justpontificating · 06/04/2024 20:19

I love your refreshingly frank post. 👏👏👏👏

Thank you. I do normally try to be a bit more polite, but some of the comments are amazing!

Minymile · 06/04/2024 20:33

Just checked out the menu
2 vegetarian main meal choices
2 vegan main meal choices

Very uninspiring as well.
Bloody goats cheese, or blue cheese or mushroom risotto. Yawn! So coconut and tomato stew then🤣🤣🤣

Please not @Lazykitten their menu clearly states

They cannot guarantee there will be no cross contamination

If they can’t guarantee cross contamination for people with allergies they certainly can’t do so for veggies.

Id also say a huge no to all those skewers of meat being carried around and all those animals being grilled at the table. You’ll be surrounded. I’d find this really upsetting!

pensione · 06/04/2024 20:24

This reply has been deleted

Message deleted by MNHQ. Here's a link to our Talk Guidelines.

katepilar · 06/04/2024 20:24

Why are they telling you to take a leave? You are available to work so go to work as normal I would think?

Gonners · 06/04/2024 20:22

@Lazykitten

I've just had a look at the wording in the reward package: 'A company paid for team night out at a date and venue of your choice'

Curiously, I don't see the alternative "reward" listed as working a full day while being obliged to pretend you were on leave that day. Perhaps they should add that?

Justpontificating · 06/04/2024 20:19

Volpini · 06/04/2024 19:07

Lovely. OP can eat all of that in the equivalent of an abbatoir, whilst being splattered by the animal fat and bits of meat being carved around her.

Why not just go somewhere where there is a menu, that is prepared and served in a kitchen that meets everyone’s needs that everyone can be served and eat without having to sit in the middle of a meat carnival?

If it’s so fab, the manager/ individual team members can go and dismember all the animal parts they like to their heart‘s content on their own dime, in their own time, with people who it isn’t going to disgust.

This is supposed to be a thank you for hard work: pick somewhere that actually translates to ALL the team rather than dictating. She isn’t a fruitarian: there are 3.5 million vegetarians in the UK and even more people who don’t eat read meat. It’s a pretty out-there venue for a team dinner!

As for all those people telling OP that she needs to suck it up if she wants to get on, or vegetarians saying „I would go“ like she is the problem, this manager is a complete dinosaur and thankfully a dying breed! I work in finance, about as male and dominant environment as you can get and I am laughing at the very idea of any of this flying in a corporate environment in 2024!!! Where is all of your backbone? OP absolutely does NÖT need to do anything she doesn’t want to „to get on.“ The TL is literally out of their mind and it’s them with ever decreasing career opportunities if they keep this up! I know, because I’ve suffered male managers like this most of my career and I’m finally watching them disappearing before my very eyes.
Have none of you heard of managing up?!!! You can be polite, calm clear. You can say no thank you, with a smile. But you get what you tolerate.

Grim. So many people wilfully missing the point in here!!!

I love your refreshingly frank post. 👏👏👏👏

Volpini · 06/04/2024 20:13

Lazykitten · 06/04/2024 14:27

I've just had a look at the wording in the reward package:

'A company paid for team night out at a date and venue of your choice'

Ask for £60 so you can go for a meal of your choice!!!! ;-)

christinarossetti19 · 06/04/2024 20:10

Stick to your guns. You're going to go into work, stay for one drink and politely decline the invitation to the meal.

If your line manager tries to push it, ask HR their views on forcing an employee to take a day annual leave on an ordinary working day when they are intending to work.

Swipe left for the next trending thread