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I feel like my daughters dance school is inappropriate

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grossedouteurgh · 05/04/2024 23:48

Got back this evening from my daughter's dance school performance at the local arts center and was horrified.

Prefacing this by saying I have had a few issues in the past with what I feel is money grabbing (introduced a charge of £20 recently to drop kids off in the car park. Their studio is on an industrial estate - why?!! This only serves to put safety at risks/makes money).

Also feel they have such a feeling of superiority and favouritism at the school which I don't think is healthy to foster in teens and pre teens.

Anyway, got home this evening from the Easter dance show and literally feel sick. I've seen more clothes on moulin rouge dancers and the way they had them gyrating over the stage is just gross. I filmed some of it because it genuinely felt like a strip club, and if that was my daughter I'd be horrified (she's still in a class below).

I obviously won't share but we're talking flash dance style, suspenders, gyrating... from 15/16/17 y olds.

It made me feel so awful.

I guess the parents in this situation are brainwashed by the school and it's a step to the next thing?

What can I do? I don't want to let this lie.

OP posts:
Snugglemonkey · 06/04/2024 21:54

ballsdeep · 06/04/2024 21:19

well I certainly don’t go looking 🤨 but when it’s all over social media it’s hard not to see.

If something made me feel sick, I would certainly not be exposing myself to it. Unfollowing is a thing.

MyOtherCarisAVauxhallZafira · 06/04/2024 21:38

I wasn't born until the eighties but I still know flashdance, tangentially I've recently taught 5 yo DS to do the fame leap.

I agree with your point OP DNs are in a dance school like this, when SIL sends videos to the family chat of 8 year old DN dancing provocatively, twerking etc with a full face of make up at 8 I don't know how to respond. I usually pick something like, wow look how high you can jump, or you've been working really hard well done.....
Would she consider a different style/school type? I don't have daughters but my friend's little girl goes to a street dance type place (a bit like diversity style), what they do is incredible, very acrobatic, the timing is impeccable and the boys and girls all wear the same clothes

ballsdeep · 06/04/2024 21:19

Snugglemonkey · 06/04/2024 21:18

Stop looking?

well I certainly don’t go looking 🤨 but when it’s all over social media it’s hard not to see.

Snugglemonkey · 06/04/2024 21:18

ballsdeep · 06/04/2024 21:10

Because she’s not my daughter and her mother is encouraging it. How on earth do you expect me to stop it?!?

Stop looking?

ballsdeep · 06/04/2024 21:10

Snugglemonkey · 06/04/2024 09:12

Why are you allowing something that makes you feel sick to look at?

Because she’s not my daughter and her mother is encouraging it. How on earth do you expect me to stop it?!?

EnglishBluebell · 06/04/2024 20:23

@JurassicFantastic @Mumdiva99 @StinkyWizzleteets
So just because this same discussion was had thousands of miles away over a decade ago on a tv show, this automatically means that scenario cannot ever occur here? So anyone who ever complains about their dance school (something that's been complained about since the advent of dance schools!) is automatically a troll?!?! 🧌

EnglishBluebell · 06/04/2024 20:16

@Pinkpinkpink15 None of what you've said there justifies dressing minors like strippers. So please stop defending it

CrawlOut · 06/04/2024 19:51

Pinkpinkpink15 · 06/04/2024 19:38

@CrawlOut snore

Point proven 😏

Pinkpinkpink15 · 06/04/2024 19:38

CrawlOut · 06/04/2024 15:55

Leave the other parents to decide for themselves. They don't want to be dancing to nursery rhymes

I am sorry you lack the imagination to see that there could possibly be something in between Chicago-style dances and nursery rhymes!

@CrawlOut snore

ButWhatAboutTheBees · 06/04/2024 17:45

Seriously I'm more concerned about the filming by OP than anything else tbh

It's worded weirdly and standard Safeguarding is no recording these things. ESPECIALLY when it's not your child. Even more especially when you feel the routine and costumes are sexualised!

Hairyfairy01 · 06/04/2024 17:11

Were you allowed to film it? Were any other parents filming it? What are you planning on doing with the recordings?

Grimedd · 06/04/2024 17:06

Not all dance schools are like this. Move her to another one.

SoupDragon · 06/04/2024 16:57

BingoMarieHeeler · 06/04/2024 14:52

I’ve actually been thinking the same about dance/cheer for a while and am relieved to see I’m not the only one! I did dance as a teen and now have realised maybe this is why my mum was so reluctant 😄 that plus I was fat so would never be one of the chosen favourites.

Dance and cheer are two very different things.

Ohdearydeary · 06/04/2024 16:28

@grossedouteurgh You filmed other people’s underage children, dressed up and dancing provocatively?

You do realise that you made yourself the safeguarding concern?!

Somepeoplearesnippy · 06/04/2024 16:24

You are in a predicament here - if your DD has a wide friendship circle there she will probably be very distressed of you stop her going but I totally agree with you that the costumes you are discussing are not appropriate at her age.

when DD was 14 or thereabouts her 60 yo singing teacher wanted her to sing 'I'm just a girl who can't say no' at the school concert accompanied by coy finger to lip gestures and eye lash fluttering. That's obviously extremely tame compared to what you are describing but even so. That wasn't the sort of message I wanted my Gen Z daughter receiving or sending out. A full and frank exchange of emails followed and I think she sang something from Phantom instead.

ErnestCelendine · 06/04/2024 16:08

My daughter's dance school was like this - luckily we moved house so she left 😅 From the dance festivals she took part in, I thought it was normal. Changing room full of 11yos practising their slut drops etc.

CrawlOut · 06/04/2024 16:08

My daughter did dance and musicals at school and now at university. They have done all sorts of numbers including Chicago. They have never worn this stuff and always skirts, shorts or leggings. And looked fab and appropriate.

Some of her group are assertive girls who would put their foot down at being told to wear sexy clothes and would probably say, ‘only if the boys do’.

The kinds of dance schools mentioned here sound pretty dated really, if nothing else. There are creative ways to portray strong ‘beautiful’ women without having to resort to 70s lingerie.

isitbananatimealready · 06/04/2024 16:03

grossedouteurgh · 06/04/2024 00:12

@BettyShagter i would like to know if there's something i can do to protect other young girls from this, if there's a place to report. Because we know how to report straight up abuse but how can we flag dance school grooming?

Which examining body does the school use, and what professional qualifications do the teachers have? You can report anything inappropriate to them.

CrawlOut · 06/04/2024 15:55

Pinkpinkpink15 · 06/04/2024 00:21

@grossedouteurgh

grooming?

that's a leap of an antelope on steroids.

they're dancing Chicago, being dressed like the cast of Chicago is entirely unsurprising.

many decades years ago the theatre I was a member of did Chicago (I was 15/16) and worse the dancing costume. 💁🏻‍♀️💁🏻‍♀️

I'm glad I did a load of shows & dancing when I was young enough, fit enough & slim enough.

I certainly wasn't being 'groomed'

@grossedouteurgh stop shit stirring. Pull your DD out if you can't cope. Leave the other parents to decide for themselves. They don't want to be dancing to nursery rhymes

Leave the other parents to decide for themselves. They don't want to be dancing to nursery rhymes

I am sorry you lack the imagination to see that there could possibly be something in between Chicago-style dances and nursery rhymes!

CrawlOut · 06/04/2024 15:53

RandomButtons · 06/04/2024 00:07

So move her. Problem solved.

This kind of response is so facile. It’s a discussion. What about the girls left in the class? Is it not ok to care about them? To debate the message we are giving our daughters? ‘Problem solved’ 🙄

GellerYeller · 06/04/2024 15:49

Some time ago my primary aged DCs’ friend’s mum told us her DD was upset because she was marked down or reprimanded by her dance teacher when her bun came loose. The mum was a bit upset because obviously she’d done her DD’s hair for the class. When I expressed surprise it was so strict she said it was part of the rules.
So we’re conditioning girls to conform into being marked on their appearance? And the parents are accepting and paying for this? No thanks.

mids2019 · 06/04/2024 15:43

We have had official DVDs but I guess once a DVD is out there it can go anywhere. I never a little worried about this as once out there it isn't coming back from the internet potentially.

It's about maybe school bullying as well if you have videos of your daughters kicking around the world wide web.

Peachy2005 · 06/04/2024 15:32

Take her out! Tell the dance school why.

I’ve been given free tickets to a couple of dance school shows in a local theatre where the older girls were in very inappropriate costumes so I made sure not to put my daughter in that dance school.

When my DD was quite small, she did Girls Brigade and after attending a couple of their displays and having bum cheeks of teenagers and young women wearing too small skirts with modesty knickers that were doing nothing for their modesty, waving in our faces…well we were happy not to encourage any more Girls Brigade!

AnyOldThings · 06/04/2024 15:22

LanaL · 06/04/2024 07:41

If you don’t like it , then don’t send your daughter there - but the fact is that the parents of the girls actually dancing this dance and wearing these outfits are clearly ok with it so you can’t really do anything about it and I don’t think you should either . You’re going to try and stop girls doing something they enjoy , which they have permission for , as well as probably affect the dance teachers career just because YOU don’t agree with it?!

Burlesque is actually about empowering women . It’s not the same as pole dancing or stripping ( though I would just like to say I have no issues with those either - although wouldn’t agree with a child doing it ) . Nothing is being removed . Dancing in heels is an art form , a skill , and fantastic for fitness . My stepdaughter does this with her dance class , she does other styles of dancing too but does this - and yes when I first saw I was like “ wow - wtf “ but then when I really watched and I saw the amazing skill of her dancing , the way she changed as a person in terms of her confidence , the way it helped with all issues she had had in her life with school, mental health etc and just made everything else in her life positive I realised that it’s that what should be focused on not the fact that every time a female shows a bit of skin it gets sexualised !

Dancing is an art form . They’re not getting these girls to strip off and have money slipped in their suspender belt ! Suspenders belts themselves were there to make women more comfortable and stop their stockings falling down but once again - sexualised ! 😡

Im sure people will disagree with me , and quite frankly I don’t really care , but in my personal opinion OP you need to open your mind a bit and step back too .. not your children , not your business . Calm down .

Also - they’re not going to let random men just buy tickets for the show 🙄

100% this. My DD has danced since 5 and is nearly 18 and doing it as a future job hopefully. She even teaches younger students. The hours and pain she's put in for an art form she adores is huge. Technique is a hard earned skill and whilst some routines have a more adult theme, safeguarding is still present and it’s very very sad that adults look on it and suggest it’s grooming. It’s certainly sad that it’s always girls that are judged like this and really the judgement comes from adults upholding girls to being responsible for the urges of men.

Soigneur · 06/04/2024 15:17

IvorTheEngineDriver · 06/04/2024 14:58

Presumably, the other parents are happy with it otherwise their kids wouldn't be there.

You have only one course of action if you disapprove and that is to remove your DD.

If you try to "report it" (to whom?) or "escalate it" (how?) you will be regarded as batshit crazy.

I would certainly be reporting the making and selling of a DVD featuring underage children doing sexualised dances in adult lingerie to the local LADO/MASH. Just because it is ‘art’ doesn’t make it ok. I’m a sports coach and we (rightly) don’t permit any photography at races as our athletes are wearing tight clothing - although nowhere near as revealing as the costumes described here.

The blasé attitude to safeguarding on this thread is appalling but maybe dance parents are like all too many gymnastics parents: complicit in the abuse of their own children.

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