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I feel like my daughters dance school is inappropriate

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grossedouteurgh · 05/04/2024 23:48

Got back this evening from my daughter's dance school performance at the local arts center and was horrified.

Prefacing this by saying I have had a few issues in the past with what I feel is money grabbing (introduced a charge of £20 recently to drop kids off in the car park. Their studio is on an industrial estate - why?!! This only serves to put safety at risks/makes money).

Also feel they have such a feeling of superiority and favouritism at the school which I don't think is healthy to foster in teens and pre teens.

Anyway, got home this evening from the Easter dance show and literally feel sick. I've seen more clothes on moulin rouge dancers and the way they had them gyrating over the stage is just gross. I filmed some of it because it genuinely felt like a strip club, and if that was my daughter I'd be horrified (she's still in a class below).

I obviously won't share but we're talking flash dance style, suspenders, gyrating... from 15/16/17 y olds.

It made me feel so awful.

I guess the parents in this situation are brainwashed by the school and it's a step to the next thing?

What can I do? I don't want to let this lie.

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Frivfromtum · 16/04/2024 10:59

@LolaSmiles i totally agree. You have to wonder why.

LolaSmiles · 15/04/2024 13:14

On the plus side - I’ve noticed that at AED competitions, students appear to be marked down for doing songs that are too old for them- the judge will mention the age and lack of suitability as a factor at adjudication. Not always though!
That's good where it happens.

I've always felt a little uncomfortable with adults wanting young girls and teen girls to dance in a sexualised way. It seems to be yet another strand of adult female sexuality being presented to girls as empowerment. I also feel quite uncomfortable with any adult who wants to watch children perform in that way.

Frivfromtum · 15/04/2024 12:10

I’ve been around the dance block a lot. I’ve also witnessed sexualised dancing and costumes at various dance competitions. The more commercial ones - yes, some of them are bloody awful. Don’t get me started on the fake tan, gyrations, tiny gussets and false eye lashes… grim.

There are better dance school out there. Maybe do some trial lessons at a few other schools OP?

On the plus side - I’ve noticed that at AED competitions, students appear to be marked down for doing songs that are too old for them- the judge will mention the age and lack of suitability as a factor at adjudication. Not always though!

Favoritism, diva dance school owners - yes, I definitely see all of this! It’s in the blood.

At the better schools you see the children love it, they learn a lot, they keep fit, they have to be organised, disciplined, they learn to lose as well as to win, they have to recognise when they need ‘down’ time.

I see many parents getting over involved. Freely admit to being one of these mums. We are often all having quite a lot of fun, so …

Nantescalling · 15/04/2024 00:58

grossedouteurgh · 06/04/2024 00:20

I don't pay, and I told them exactly what i thought of them monetizing their students safety! The sad thing is though that this reflects on my daughter and they treat her differently

(I know I know I can't believe I continued after this but she loves it)

If you decide to leave her in the school because of the social issue then please don't go looking for other parents to get the place shut down. If they are treating her differently because of the cone rental, guess what it could become if they smell sabotage.

LoyalMember · 09/04/2024 10:15

I'm quite a broad minded guy, and even I think this is inappropriate. For God's sake, let wee kids be kids and stop sexualising them. Pull your child out of there.

BingoMarieHeeler · 09/04/2024 09:27

@MadMadaMim Ballet/tap uniform is usually leotards - what else would you expect them to wear? Other classes (eg modern, jazz etc) would also require from fitting attire - the dancer and the teacher need to see the body to ensure correct line/form - it's why dance studios are usually wall to wall mirrors.

Ballet - tights, character skirt or tutu, wrap top, actual character costume for example.

Jazz - again, an age-appropriate costume not just leotard and tights

Chicago etc - just opt out, it’s not mandatory and is in fact very overdone 😆

Teacher shouldn’t need to see proper form and line during a show in front of hundreds of adults. In the studio, sure.

T1Dmama · 09/04/2024 00:55

Could you call NSPCC & ask for advice? Complain anonymously and send them the video? Or get in touch with MASH & raise concerns?

MadMadaMim · 08/04/2024 13:35

What you're describing sounds like normal dance school shows to me.

Ballet/tap uniform is usually leotards - what else would you expect them to wear? Other classes (eg modern, jazz etc) would also require from fitting attire - the dancer and the teacher need to see the body to ensure correct line/form - it's why dance studios are usually wall to wall mirrors.

This is NOT grooming. This is dance.

The parents will have known what number and costume their children were wearing. If there was as any issue, they would have said or not had their children take part.

Chicago is a popular well known musical. It has good news nginf and dancing but is definitely adult themes.

Rather than making wild accusations, maybe speak with other parents and together suggests to the school that parents should be involved in a the content of shows.

SoupDragon · 08/04/2024 13:00

Gardengirl108 · 08/04/2024 12:12

You are horrified and it has literally made you feel sick. But not enough to pull your daughter from it. It would be interesting to know what WOULD make you consider doing that?

The OP clarified this several times. She thinks it's not enough to just pull her DD out. She wants to complain further.

Gardengirl108 · 08/04/2024 12:12

grossedouteurgh · 05/04/2024 23:56

You can know what flash dance is and be in your mid thirties?

I don't feel like it's enough to pull my daughter out though - how can I report this/escalate it? I feel there's so many vulnerable girls here on a stage with no clothes on, dressed up as art/dance and it's not right.

I say this as someone who spent their teens dancing. I never felt taken advantage of.

You are horrified and it has literally made you feel sick. But not enough to pull your daughter from it. It would be interesting to know what WOULD make you consider doing that?

Sdpbody · 08/04/2024 11:06

I moved my daughter from a Dance School like this!! I was horrified.

cowandplough · 08/04/2024 11:03

Vote with your feet and go elsewhere. Some of these dance schools are OTT.

LouDeLou · 08/04/2024 10:38

Such a shame you have to pull her from something she enjoys.

is there a dance school standards board? They would know how to help,

also, you need to get a group of parents with you - power in numbers!

If you get enough on your side, you could try and form a parent committee, with say in the choice of dances and costumes? If 10 parents said no, this is lewd they’d have to rethink it!

Soigneur · 08/04/2024 09:04

Treesandsheepeverywhere · 07/04/2024 20:37

It's everywhere OP, everything is designed for the male gaze.
The boys won't be gyrating, just the girls.

Gymnastics in higher and higher leg costumes.

Volleyball in knickers when boys can play perfectly well in shorts.

Swimming in high leg bikinis when again, boys swimming fine in shorts.

It's packaged as female empowerment but most of the people at the top making the decisions are men.

Gymnastics is bloody awful still, but female volleyball is in regular shorts and female swimmers all wear legsuits down to their knees now.

ftp · 08/04/2024 08:50

BusyMum47 · 08/04/2024 06:48

So take your daughter out & let other parents worry about their daughters. End of, surely?
Skimpy costumes & gyrating aside, the dance school is hardly 'grooming' young girls!

It is grooming, in that it is setting sexualised norms for young girls. They may not have any other agenda than training young people to go into a highly sexual industry, but just look at some of the shows now where female costumes are nothing short of sex shows.

I know I am much older and therefore very old fashioned, but I shake my head in shame when I see groups like the Pussycat Dolls (who started the rot IMHO), Fifth Harmony and Flo and the influence of the Korean doll groups - which also have a bad influence on what it is normal to look like.

BettyShagter · 08/04/2024 08:45

MissingMoominMamma · 08/04/2024 07:48

I really don’t think you understand what the OP was saying there!

Yes I do...that the OP had said she didn't want to remove her daughter.

"I don't feel like it's enough to pull my daughter out though"

Treesandsheepeverywhere · 08/04/2024 07:59

ToryHater · 07/04/2024 21:46

Gymnastics in higher and higher leg costumes.
I dont know where you have got that from as BG changed policy many years ago to allow female competitors in domestic competitions to wear shorts or leggings. Another poster said that female gymnasts are taught to smile and 'flirt' . I can tell you as a qualified gymnastics judge that deductions are made for age innapropriate gestures/dance for heavy make up and for leotards not affording sufficient coverage.
I would also like to challenge the poster who lumped pole dancing in with stripping!
Pole dancing is fairly mainstream now and a competitive sport , with children and men participating.

I've got it from a local gymnast class for kids where I had to drop off for someone a few times.
Asked her what that was all about and apparently it was so they could teach/judge better.

For competitions yes, but at local level, the owners call the shots.

MissingMoominMamma · 08/04/2024 07:48

BettyShagter · 06/04/2024 00:06

That's my daughter in a couple of years

You must be so errrm....proud of your parenting?

I really don’t think you understand what the OP was saying there!

BusyMum47 · 08/04/2024 06:48

So take your daughter out & let other parents worry about their daughters. End of, surely?
Skimpy costumes & gyrating aside, the dance school is hardly 'grooming' young girls!

Mylifesadrama · 08/04/2024 04:05

Beetlebumz · 07/04/2024 20:58

i very much doubt this happened sorry

So I’m a liar and you feel the need to apologise for accusing me of such.

true story, happened around 20 years ago. whether You choose to believe or not. I’ve nothing to gain by making up tales..

Rachel757677 · 08/04/2024 00:56

The arts often attract pedos.

ftp · 08/04/2024 00:19

Was it chosen by the teens themselves? You only have to look at some of the girl groups and what they (don't) wear, prancing around in their streetwalker style see-through undies. If they chose a show, or dances that mimic'ed those, then the school are possibly genuinely grooming them for potential work. But, the school should have more sense of responsibility to guide these young minds. To me, the trend to overt sexualisation, is a backward step for women.

And yes, I agree with you YUK!. Find a better school.

Firecarrier · 07/04/2024 22:07

A lovely male friend of mine (very family orientated) told me how his young teen daughter was recently in a similar show at school, he was very shocked.

@BettyShagter 🙄

Upopularasever88 · 07/04/2024 21:54

Lyracappul · 07/04/2024 21:47

Don’t get me started on what they’ve done in Irish dancing.. wigs etc.. horrifying ..

Yes, awful. Watched a documentary recently on it, its on Netflix I think. It was very bizarre, they looked like they were in an American beauty pagent.
I thought Irish dancing was very ethereal...

Lyracappul · 07/04/2024 21:47

Don’t get me started on what they’ve done in Irish dancing.. wigs etc.. horrifying ..