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To take a job with the DWP even though I will lose friends

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Sunsnet · 05/04/2024 17:50

I currently work a minimum wage job in retail. It's long hours, exhausting and for really shitty money. Sometimes I earn less than minimum wage as I'm salaried and not entitled to overtime.

I've just been offered a job with the DWP. I'll earn 50% more, have a WAY better pension plus more benefits. I'll even be able to work fewer hours so I can spend more time with my family and STILL be better off than now. BUT, I have friends who think the DWP is immoral and by working for them I will be implicit in that immorality.

I agree that the way the DWP works at the moment is immoral, but surely we need good people to work there to ensure that people who need the help and are entitled to it actually get it. Or am I just clutching at straws to justify my position?

I have one friend in particular who says they will never speak to me again if I take the job. This friend is independently wealthy and never needs to work again, I am not. I do not own property, have a family to support, I'm a single parent and I have no qualifications so have no hope of a better job.

Would I really be that awful a person to sell out and take this job?

OP posts:
Scarletjay · 06/04/2024 21:27

Its not up to your friends.its your morals that count,way it up.

ZetuianRose · 06/04/2024 21:24

Tell them to get to fuck, then block them. What a moron.

Coco1379 · 06/04/2024 21:24

Take the job. These people are not friends, you have to do what is right for you. One thing I would say though, it is quite difficult to have to speak to people who are turned down when you are sympathetic to their needs and can do nothing about it. I found myself in that position working in a SEND department, but you just have to explain as kindly as you can.

ClaireRed · 06/04/2024 21:22

Unbelievable you are putting your "friends" opinions infront of you and your families happiness. Get a grip

LadyKenya · 06/04/2024 21:21

Exactly@XenoBitch .

Franklyyes · 06/04/2024 21:21

A friend of mine did a stint with DWP. She was dealing with one claimant she had to phone them and felt that the person was working whilst she spoke to them - spoke to supervisor for advice and they said just process the claim didn’t want to know her concerns. She left not long after as she didn’t feel able to work somewhere where no there was no curiosity about claims that didn’t feel right.

browneyes77 · 06/04/2024 21:18

Jasmin1971 · 05/04/2024 17:57

The real question is "could you actually live with yourself if you did? "
I am sorry, but you would need a heart of stone to do what those people do to a lot of vulnerable people. I certainly couldn't maintain a friendship with anyone who chose to work for them.

I used to work for the DWP many years ago as a Personal Advisor.

It was a very rewarding job.

When you have people who’ve been made redundant from a job they’ve been at for 30+ years and feel at a loss. I helped them get upskilled, helped them with a new cv, helped them apply for jobs, sat and listened to them and tried to help them however I could. And I had many people thank me for the support I gave them.

Your judgement is shortsighted and narrow minded. And I’m glad my friends are all super lovely people who don’t judge the way you do.

So yes, I absolutely can live with myself for previously working for the DWP. Because I did a bloody good job of helping people whilst I was there.

PoochiesPinkEars · 06/04/2024 21:17

You're working for them for your own benefit not endorsing them.
Your friend is an idealistic judgemental twonk.

XenoBitch · 06/04/2024 21:15

LadyKenya · 06/04/2024 21:08

Nowhere in my post have I stated that I think it is fine that,

"So you think it's fine to work in a role where you're stopping the people who need it the most from extra money?"

I understand though, that it is the workers following this wretched Governments policy. They are the people you should be directing your ire at. As always people misdirect their anger, at the wrong people.

Not just that, nowhere does OP say she will be working directly with claimants.
DWP is huge. She is could be in some back office admin role and be blessed enough to not have to deal with the public.

LadyKenya · 06/04/2024 21:08

WalkingonWheels · 06/04/2024 21:00

The people who work there are still directly affecting claimants. They have targets to hit. So you think it's fine to work in a role where you're stopping the people who need it the most from extra money? Because that's what they do, no matter how "pleasant" they are when they speak to people. I stand by that I couldn't be friends with anyone who worked for the PIP department of the DWP. Or a Tory.

Nowhere in my post have I stated that I think it is fine that,

"So you think it's fine to work in a role where you're stopping the people who need it the most from extra money?"

I understand though, that it is the workers following this wretched Governments policy. They are the people you should be directing your ire at. As always people misdirect their anger, at the wrong people.

Winnie27101981 · 06/04/2024 21:08

Let’s hope she never needs help from the DWP!!

LampShadeTaj · 06/04/2024 21:03

Jeez take the job, I had a bunch of friends saying how they’d never send their kids to private school- it was wrong, immoral blah blah! Each and everyone of them has.

SplitFountainPen · 06/04/2024 21:03

Just tell them you're doing admin for the council. Basically is.

WalkingonWheels · 06/04/2024 21:01

Butchyrestingface · 06/04/2024 19:40

How are PIP claimants going to get their payment if there is no-one there to administer it? Confused

Maybe through a system that treats them fairly and as human beings?

WalkingonWheels · 06/04/2024 21:00

LadyKenya · 06/04/2024 19:12

Did you miss where it was explained that it is the Government that sets the policies. If you have an issue with the PIP system, then you know what to do at the ballot box, don't you?

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The people who work there are still directly affecting claimants. They have targets to hit. So you think it's fine to work in a role where you're stopping the people who need it the most from extra money? Because that's what they do, no matter how "pleasant" they are when they speak to people. I stand by that I couldn't be friends with anyone who worked for the PIP department of the DWP. Or a Tory.

Nazzywish · 06/04/2024 20:54

I had to laugh that your even asking this OP! Will that nice rich friend pay your the 50% uplift in salary and pension,because you know your friendship means so much to them after all.......no.?. Well there your answer.
Crack on. Get that job pay those bills and look after your family first. "Friends" can all do one. You'll make nicer ones in DwP ..

godmum56 · 06/04/2024 20:46

I had a lot of trouble getting my pension sorted because I am a WASPI woman. Long story short at one stage I was phoning them twice a week to get the latest update on the new rules. One and all they were lovely patient people, very helpful and kind, nothing was too much trouble. I can't have been the only woman they were dealing with who had the same issues but you would have thought I was the only one and they had all the time in the world to help me. I say bless them and go for it OP

Jeannie88 · 06/04/2024 20:39

Hollyhock4 · 05/04/2024 17:58

How is the DWP immoral? The staff working there don't make the rules - they just carry them out.They are made by politicians. It's very easy for someone of independent means to tell you what to do. I would say consider your own position and what you need carefully. It seems a strange thing for "friends" to say. You can, if necessary find new friends.

Exactly! Doing a job we are just mere mortals following rules. The friend/s need to get a grip. What jobs do they do, if any, are all slaves to the trade.

Jeannie88 · 06/04/2024 20:37

Take it, for goodness sake, why would a friend say this? You, your family are most important, with yhe increase in wage, she will get used to it or bugger off, in which case she wasn't a true friend.

DrJackDaniels · 06/04/2024 20:36

For the few criticising DWP, you do know there are loads of departments in DWP that are nothing directly to do with benefits? I’m a contractor and have work for lots of public sector organisations on the tech/digital side of things. I’ve worked for DWP and nothing to do with benefits and for HMRC and nothing to do with taxes. Public sector is great for pension and benefits and more slower paced than private sector (In my experience) and long term, would be a good career move.
Take the job, sack off the ‘friends’ and enjoy being offered a great new role. You’ll regret it if you don’t. Good luck!

Goldenphoenix · 06/04/2024 20:33

I work for a local government agency that gets loads of flak. I always say that if good people don't work there nothing will ever change. Go for the job and enjoy your extra salary and benefits!

Greenfluffycardi · 06/04/2024 20:32

What a lovely friend! I have a lot to do with the DWP and it’s always refreshing to speak with someone who wants to help.

Tiggerlator · 06/04/2024 20:28

Take the job, simple

Gbtch · 06/04/2024 20:16

DWP

Gbtch · 06/04/2024 20:15

I worked for DEP for years. Not only will you have better pay but you will benefit from Great working conditions, flexible working, paid leave, great colleagues. As a government employee you will be up there with the best diversity and equality policies in the country. lots of opportunities to change role and/ or advance. It’s a great place to work.
Take the job . You’re not selling out. Your buying in.