Who do you think of when you think of ‘masculinity’?

I just think people who have actually achieved things are more masculine and impressive, rather than those preening ninnys who look good on camera. Alexander Fleming ftw.

It's personal taste. Momoa doesn't do it for me, either. Don't like his face and he's too bulky for me. I'm sure he's a perfectly nice person, though.

@dimllaishebiaith he has a nice body, so what?

This. The cock of the walk front he puts on is just to hide the fact he's a weak, insecure arse.

I don't think it is physical, certain women can have same charachteristics, they can also have the more esoteric characteristics too. I admire them in women too.

Capability, adventurousness, resilience, strength, protectiveness, humility, compassion.

I don't think it's anything about looks.

Doesnt look hairless to me...

Sometimes hes chiseled, sometimes hes not, thats his job, as with many male actors

The fact that hes as comfortable to get what the media call his "dad bod" out in public as his more chiseled look makes him more masculine and secure of himself imo rather than vain

To me it's purely physical - men's hands, wrists and shoulders in particular. It's not a positive or negative vale judgement. I assume Tate the rapist pimp has these characteristics like other men.

Masculine to me means being an ally.

A man who does 50% of the chores and childcare, pools resources because he knows he likely "has more" resulting from the pay gap and speaks up to call out other men on substandard behaviour, whether that's in the language they use to describe women or looking for opportunities to build up women in the workplace.

Masculine is not muscles or laddish behaviour or punching a man in a bar because the other man "disrespected his woman".

It's a flawed thing.

My husband is male but he isn't "masculine" in the typical definition.

For example

Softly spoken
Not a deep voice
Gentle
Piano hands (slender)
Doesn't like/do DIY
Never felt inclined to BBQ
Doesn't drive
Is very clumsy
Is not dominant in any way
Finds sports boring
Doesn't drink
Never heard him shout
Listens actively to others
Emotionally intelligent
Articulate
Doesn't like other men in general
Huge defender of women's rights
Puts women on a pedestal
Cooks
Cleans
Dotes on children

But also...

Is male XY
Has fathered a daughter

To be honest, the only one that counts is that he is a male.

No, I don't really agree with the concept but he's not what I understand it to mean. In interviews I've seen he's thin skinned, defensive, dishonest and unnecessarily aggressive. I understand masculine to be confident and not as needy for approval and agreement as he seems to be.

Needing material things to feel good about himself, deriving his identity and self worth from them isn't a good look either, it's weak. By all means have such things, and enjoy them if you like, but don't be a slave to them 🤷‍♂️

Jason momoa in my memory is very hairless and a bodybuilder type, not masculine in the slightest. Bodybuilding is inherently vain, vainness is not masculine.

My immediate first thought too.

Hmmm, when I think of masculinity, I think of Jason Momoa. He also seems like a lovely guy.

I don’t think Andrew Tate is particularly masculine. He’s quite irritating and comes across as quite insecure and immature.

No to AT

to me, its someone who is well built (muscley), someone who works hard and does the man jobs eg chopping up wood, uses a drill, can mend a car etc 🤣

Masculine to me is mainly a physical thing. Strong manly body, hairy, deep voice, displays of strength.

I've only heard a bit about Andrew Tate but he sounds like the kind of low status male there was a thread about the other day. Needs someone to punch down at as he can't compete with other males. He sounds quite defective.

The way he talks seriously reminds me of hitler. Not just content but it’s quite powerful how he barks. Eerie.

This is going back a bit but Nick from Londons Burning TV show.

A nice chiseled jaw and maybe a pair of capable forearms.

Andrew Tate looks like Pob. I'm not a fan of too much going on about toxic masculinity, but if ever there was a time to use the phrase it's with regards him.

Andrew Tate's a little scrote.

Masculine is strong, capable, protective, fair and understanding.

Yucky no.

I see masculine as confident, honest, calm, looks traditionally ‘male’ and fatherly to kids. Attractive and protective sort of thing. Also kind! Big thing.

Showing my age but Colin Firth in a wet white shirt is the very opposite of feminine. And also looks so good and kind which are valuable masculine traits.

The words that spring to mind for Andrew Tate are low-life pimping crim scum. He's not a strong enough character to be masculine because he has to belittle others to feel big which is the sign of a social inadequate.

Watch this and be impressed

Andrew Tate has to pay women to hang around him! He's literally the lowest of the low!

Masculine men
Yes the 90s poster guy holding the baby
Ray Winstone
Tom Hardy
Tom Selleck
Daniel Craig

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She spanked him with the pizza joke too.
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Anyway ...

He's boasted about seriously injuring a woman during an "argument".

He's boasted about manipulating and pimping women.

He's moved countries to avoid sexual assault and trafficking investigations.

He embodies the worst in men while preaching clichéd, hackneyed, simple minded shite.

His Dad raised him having him think he'd be the next world chess champion; he wasn't. Putting all that pressure on a child to be a world class anything would fuck them up.

His Dad probably has MH issues, he definitely does.

Yep! Pink scrunchies and suits and all he he still has more masculinity in his little finger than Andrew Tate does in his entire body