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Bf using my birthday gift with another woman

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Pookie21 · 04/04/2024 16:54

My bf got us tickets to my favourite musical for my birthday in January, unfortunately we broke up shortly after for 6 weeks, but have now been back together a month. The show is next week, I’ve organised my kids but bf told me yesterday as he couldn’t get a refund he asked friends & is now taking a female friend instead (I vaguely know of her). AIBU in thinking that as the tickets were my main birthday gift he should either have given me both to use or cancel taking the woman & take me as they were part of my gift & we are back together?
he says she helped him out by agreeing to come so doesn’t want to change her plans but if I were her I’d be happy to stand down as it was a special gift for us to enjoy together, it feels like he’s putting another woman’s feelings over mine.

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Concannon88 · 08/04/2024 14:03

@taylorswift1989 couldn't agree more. "Starting to like it" so at some point you disliked it and he was happy with that. His sexual gratification and getting his rocks off, comes before your comfort and boundaries. How did this agreement even materials??

Bf- id really like a blow job
Op- actually I'm not into that based on past trauma and SA
Bf- oh go on! ????

Worse still hes got you thinking its a good idea. So you broke up because he's an abusive, manipulative gaslighter, you've taken him back on the pretense of changed behaviour. He hasn't changed and is taking another woman out on your date! So you're changing your sexual boundaries to suit him and hes done nowt. This man is a svengali.

KidsandKindness · 08/04/2024 12:40

Quite honestly OP all of this angst over a long distance relationship, seems rather ridiculous the more I think about it. How often do you actually see this man? How long is it since you became a couple? I just can't help thinking that you're putting in an awful lot of mental effort into a man who you seem to barely know. If you're not even living together, why are you so desperate to keep 'working' on it? If you have to 'work' on a relationship before you've even made a decision to live together, it really isn't a relationship that's worth having. After all, with 80 miles between you, you can't possibly know what he gets up to when you're not around, and this friend who he's already been out with, and who he was planning to take to the show, using YOUR birthday present, could actually be someone that he sees far more than he does you, after all, if they're just friends she should understand the situation, and he shouldn't feel the need to take her out for a day because he's cancelled the plans. He could perhaps offer to buy her a ticket for a show that she would like to go to, to make up for any disappointment, but if he were to do that, then he definitely shouldn't even think of going with her. For all you know, they could be having a relationship behind your back which you don't have a clue about. In my opinion, the best thing you can do for your mental health, (which you don't even trust him enough to tell him about it), is to end it, and find someone closer to home, who you can truly get to know and trust.

taylorswift1989 · 08/04/2024 10:59

Pookie21 · 08/04/2024 00:44

No, of course not, but all men like/want this & henow knows & understands he can’t ask me, touch me on the top of my head or hint at this act/other things similar and I’ve said I am prepared to work on my boundaries with this because I want to get over the SA & do it and I know he likes it, and I am starting to enjoy it so I honestly don’t understand what is wrong with that?
I get people thinking less of him because how he was in the past but he really has changed that behaviour because I told him that was not acceptable, kind or helpful. I don’t mean to sound stupid but he’s the only man who has taken in what I’m saying (even after mistakes in the past, yes) and changed his behaviour to make me more comfortable

This is really quite distressing to read, OP.

This man has been sexually coercing and abusing you. Telling yourself that it's normal and you're starting to like it is you gaslighting yourself.

You do not have to do anything sexually that you don't want to do. A loving partner accepts that there are certain sex acts that their partner isn't into, for whatever reason. They don't bully you, persuade you, or even allow you to persuade yourself. A good partner isn't interested in you forcing yourself to do something you feel uncomfortable about for their sake. A good partner would just take that off the table altogether and find things that you both like instead.

Please take a step back from this. You've described how broken down this man made you feel for months. If he's going to change, it will be a long and slow process involving a lot of professional support. People don't change just because they say they will. Or even just because they want to change. Are you going to sacrifice your emotional wellbeing, sexual comfort, and physical health to this man just because he promises to change?

Merryoldgoat · 08/04/2024 10:02

Another time I read a thread and wonder how we teach women proper boundaries so shitbags like this man don’t get their claws in.

Ihearyousingingdownthewire · 08/04/2024 07:48

OP, your boundaries really need work. You have made excuse after excuse for this shit bag. Honestly, no relationship is perfect, but this, what you’ve put up with already, is not normal.

Greenkindness · 08/04/2024 07:21

I look at it like if he handed over an item for your present, say a bracelet, he presumably wouldn’t have asked for it back and given it to someone else? No it would have stayed with OP, unless she gave it back in the circumstances. To me the principle of the actual giving of a gift stays the same.

Like OP has said, she didn’t ask for his Xmas gift back.

But I agree with pp that the bigger picture is his behaviour especially in regards to being respectful of your feelings about how your sexual relationship looks like. How well he treats you and prioritises you (or not) is much more important.

Concannon88 · 08/04/2024 01:58

Ladyj84 · 08/04/2024 01:52

Erm you broke up and the tickets were for both of you so he could have given you one or chosen to keep it as he paid and correctly asked someone else to go instead so it wasn't wasted. I wouldn't give a person a birthday gift after splitting.

You'd keep the gift you already bought them before their birthday, and you split up after the birthday? And organise a replacement guest within 3 weeks and then not tell them when getting back together?

Ladyj84 · 08/04/2024 01:52

Erm you broke up and the tickets were for both of you so he could have given you one or chosen to keep it as he paid and correctly asked someone else to go instead so it wasn't wasted. I wouldn't give a person a birthday gift after splitting.

Concannon88 · 08/04/2024 01:32

I'm sorry, im commenting again, because I've read all your replies and he's worse than I thought. He's made you feel bad about your SA? And made you agree to work on it? This man has not changed in the month you were apart. You dumped him for a reason, and took him back based on him changing. But he hasn't changed, he still did the things you dumped him for and now hes doing this. I dont even know you, but can tell you are worth more than him. Hes either trying to make you jealous or is just selfish to the bone. I've done some shit in my time, but in a million years and a million universes I dont think I'd be able to sit through a show, with another dude, knowing my lover was at home, who I bought the tickets for and was sat wondering what the show was like and if I was having a good time. It really wouldn't take much to find better than this guy.

Concannon88 · 08/04/2024 01:12

I don't understand. Hes using your birthday gift on someone else? Quickly organized a replacement didn't he.

Pookie21 · 08/04/2024 01:05

Scottishlady2 · 07/04/2024 21:19

I think it’s weird he feels he needs to take his friend out for a day, sure she’s a friend? All a bit strange.

I totally agree, it’s a conversation we will have in person- I know how he works so I need to talk to him about how he would feel if it were the other way around. I don’t want to play ‘tit for tat’ but he’s only recently learning it’s ok to have/show emotions so pretends to himself he doesn’t care much, doesn’t get jealous- when actually, he’s a very emotional (& jealous) person, so I need to think about how best to reach him, not make him feel he’s pushed into a corner & make sure we can both have an open, honest conversation

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Pookie21 · 08/04/2024 00:55

Ihearyousingingdownthewire · 06/04/2024 08:10

Nope. This man is no good. He won’t change and you’re so vulnerable.

He’s trying to change. Like me, he went through a lot of shit at the end of his marriage & whereas I’m 9 years away from that, he is only 2 so as long as I feel ok with the situation I’m ok supporting him. He is trying, he wants to be there for me so wants to know more about me and how I work because I tend to smile through everything, not show my real feelings and pretend everything is ok & he has asked me to try & be more open & vunerable so we can connect more. It IS hard for me due to how my ex husband weaponised my MH but I also know for us to have a future I do have to show him more of the real me, it’s very difficult when we don’t live together & are separated by 80 miles as a lot of our relationship is over text/call/voicenote and I truly feel if we eg lived together and he saw more of the real me he’d do it more naturally. I know it’s not perfect, but what relationship is?

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Pookie21 · 08/04/2024 00:46

BostonMA · 06/04/2024 08:54

I explained more about my ocd/anxiety/MH

so you gave him an excuse to behave badly 🙄

No, he asked how best to help support & be there for me emotionally if I’m struggling

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Pookie21 · 08/04/2024 00:44

whatsitcalledwhen · 06/04/2024 10:13

OP, would you want your partner to do something sexually that you knew made them uncomfortable or triggered a trauma response?

Would you still be aroused and turned on by your partner doing that thing sexually knowing they didn't really want to, were uncomfortable and upset by it and were only doing it because you like that specific sex act?

Of course not.

Because you're not a horrible, nasty, selfish cunt.

He wants to do something sexually with you that he knows you aren't comfortable with. If my partner knew that a sex act made me anxious, uncomfortable and stressed then he wouldn't remain turned on by doing that sex act with me.

The thought of me being anxious, uncomfortable and stressed would be more than enough to make him not want me to do it at all, even if he had enjoyed it with previous partners. Because he cares about me and respects me. That's nothing special, it should be a basic expectation in a relationship.

I'll ask you again - would you want your partner to do something sexually that you knew made them uncomfortable or triggered a trauma response?

No, of course not, but all men like/want this & henow knows & understands he can’t ask me, touch me on the top of my head or hint at this act/other things similar and I’ve said I am prepared to work on my boundaries with this because I want to get over the SA & do it and I know he likes it, and I am starting to enjoy it so I honestly don’t understand what is wrong with that?
I get people thinking less of him because how he was in the past but he really has changed that behaviour because I told him that was not acceptable, kind or helpful. I don’t mean to sound stupid but he’s the only man who has taken in what I’m saying (even after mistakes in the past, yes) and changed his behaviour to make me more comfortable

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CactusPeach · 07/04/2024 21:55

Scottishlady2 · 07/04/2024 21:19

I think it’s weird he feels he needs to take his friend out for a day, sure she’s a friend? All a bit strange.

Yeah, that feels off too. Presumably the arrangements to go with her were made in the 3 weeks you weren't speaking. Which is very fast. It feels more like that he thinks you're going to break up with him again and he's setting her up to be the rebound.
He shouldn't need to 'make it up to her' if they're mutual friends and she had the unexpected surprise of being asked to go, he's not letting her down as there were no obligations or expectations in the first place,bits just something a mutual friend suggested that fell through. No foul.
If he insists he has to make it up to her that would make me apprehensive, if he really feels he has to then it should be to take her out to lunch / dinner or something, with you invited as well to be transparent and show how he's taking your feelings into consideration more.

I'm also concerned about the wanting to know the Why's behind your behaviour, I get where you feel the way you do, as you're used to cold-heartedness, but some manipulators will go the other way and want to know that stuff to use against you and gaslight you further, which is the vibes I'm getting from him.

Scottishlady2 · 07/04/2024 21:19

I think it’s weird he feels he needs to take his friend out for a day, sure she’s a friend? All a bit strange.

whatsitcalledwhen · 06/04/2024 10:13

OP, would you want your partner to do something sexually that you knew made them uncomfortable or triggered a trauma response?

Would you still be aroused and turned on by your partner doing that thing sexually knowing they didn't really want to, were uncomfortable and upset by it and were only doing it because you like that specific sex act?

Of course not.

Because you're not a horrible, nasty, selfish cunt.

He wants to do something sexually with you that he knows you aren't comfortable with. If my partner knew that a sex act made me anxious, uncomfortable and stressed then he wouldn't remain turned on by doing that sex act with me.

The thought of me being anxious, uncomfortable and stressed would be more than enough to make him not want me to do it at all, even if he had enjoyed it with previous partners. Because he cares about me and respects me. That's nothing special, it should be a basic expectation in a relationship.

I'll ask you again - would you want your partner to do something sexually that you knew made them uncomfortable or triggered a trauma response?

OlderGlaswegianLivingInDevon · 06/04/2024 09:31

' crossed wires ' oh yes ! not !!!

is the theatre tonight ? and is it you that is going with him

and his female friend is being taken out for the day, one day, instead ?

taylorswift1989 · 06/04/2024 09:03

It sounds like you just gave him a whole lot of ammunition to use against you and lots of ideas for gaslighting you in the future.

Just to be clear, you are choosing to stay with a man who sexually coerces you, abandons you in times of stress, takes another woman out for your birthday and has to be told how to show empathy for you because he has none.

Do you have any friends or family in real life you can talk to, OP? I think you could really use a good friend.

BostonMA · 06/04/2024 08:54

I explained more about my ocd/anxiety/MH

so you gave him an excuse to behave badly 🙄

Ihearyousingingdownthewire · 06/04/2024 08:10

Nope. This man is no good. He won’t change and you’re so vulnerable.

Pookie21 · 06/04/2024 08:02

CommentNow · 06/04/2024 00:37

100% he is going to come back and say the ticket is already in her name and non transferable or some rubbish.

He did try & use the ‘we broke up’ argument last night but thanks to a lot of people on here advising me, I said we chose the date of the tickets together early Jan, they were my birthday present, he could have given/sold me my ticket & does that mean I could have taken his birthday/xmas gifts back or ask him for money towards what I spent taking him out for the day for his birthday…he agreed no, that would be a dickhead thing to do & unreasonable.
He asked if we’d have stayed broken up would I have expected him to take me & I reiterated that actually I think he should have offered me my ticket or even sold it to me, but actually that didn’t matter because we WERE back together, so it’s kind of a moot point
he said as he was letting his friend down he would be taking her out for the day so I said I hoped he had an alternate day out for us if I hadn’t used my ticket…
I told him I felt he’s been uncaring & unsupportive since the incident at the weekend & he apologised, and asked how best to support me/show me he cared in the future- obviously the weekend incident is (hopefully) a once in a lifetime experience so he will never have to support me/show he cares for something like that again, but I explained more how I deal with stress & some ideas/ways he could be there for me. We also realised that due to his race & location (which are very different to me) we’d ’crossed Wires’ with what he said/how he said it vs how I took it/understood it so hopefully that part is cleared up & in the future we both understand each other better.
I explained more about my ocd/anxiety/MH (I’m also diagnosed with borderline personality disorder & depression, but I’m not ready to share that) & how that affected eg the incident from the weekend but also my life in general, it’s the first time a man has actually asked me to explain so they could try & understand me better & the first time I’ve felt comfortable to go into detail (due to ex husband using my wobbly MH as a weapon to threaten to take my kids away if we broke up/tell me I’m crazy) so that might not be a big deal to some but to me that’s huge.
I also told him it’s unreasonable to keep throwing at me ‘but you broke up with me’ because I feel like his behaviour pushed me to do that & it’s very unhealthy when we are supposed to be trying to work on things to keep going back to that as some kind of competition of who hurt more. He apologised again (he did try the ‘sorry you feel that way’ BS but I said that wasn’t a proper apology & he changed it). I said I know it hurt him & that because of that he’s scared to trust our relationship/tell me how he feels but if we are going to move on we both need to shelf the blame etc & put effort into the future.
he is a lot more emotional than he says he is, I definitely need to take this into account but that’s quite hard when he’s telling me one thing because he was brought up saying men don’t cry or talk about their feelings but actually feels another way, he’s also still learning it’s ok to have emotions & also that I won’t throw it back in his face /try & wind him up if he does show me emotions.
i reminded him a massive part of us trying again was for him to work on his empathy/show me he cares & he agreed he needs to still work on that & asked how best to do that in certain situations.
all in all, it was a very helpful talk, we did butt heads a bit over a couple of things but eventually we talked it out & (hopefully) solved the main issues.
however…I am still taking into account everything some people said as I can see why they said it. I know our relationship isn’t perfect but I do think there’s more positives than negatives at the moment & whilst that is the case I want to keep trying. Hopefully I won’t regret it & everything he does to change/support me will encourage me to be more assertive if/when I need to be, so I can walk away with my head held high, knowing I tried everything if it comes to that. I am absolutely not going to get to the stage I was the last couple of months of our relationship previously.
thank you again to everyone for the advice & support as it really helped me

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Mummyoflittledragon · 06/04/2024 05:04

I do hope for you that he has now sorted this out. Please remember there a people to support you if / when you decide it is time to call time on this relationship. You deserve to be supported and heard.

kkloo · 06/04/2024 04:01

Pookie21 · 04/04/2024 21:44

Surely that’s reasonable given it’s something he loves? He has listened by not asking for it & I have listened by doing it more but it’s my choice now as the pressure of him asking for it (etc) has stopped, that’s what you do in a relationship surely?

You've only been back together for a month...so how long did he stop asking for it for? a few days? A week?
How do you think he would have reacted if you hadn't 'reduced your boundaries' so quickly?

Cattenberg · 06/04/2024 01:38

ClairDeLaLune · 06/04/2024 00:42

No OP this is not how loving relationships should work. You are under no obligation whatsoever to do something for him that he loves if you don’t want to do it. No decent man would coerce you into doing something you don’t want to do. He is abusive. I wish you could realise this OP.

The tickets really are the least of your problems.

This ^

If he knows you don’t want to do it, that should kill his pleasure stone-dead. If he cared about you, he wouldn’t want you to do something that makes you so uncomfortable. He is a very selfish man and not worth hanging on to.