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To think they should still replace it...

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YorkshireRose80 · 04/04/2024 10:47

TLDR:
Friend borrowed expensive item six years ago, lost it and not replaced it despite frequent requests asking for it to be replaced.

Long version:
Six years ago, I bought a £300 fancy BBQ in a sale for £150, I didn't have a suitable garden for it at the time, but it was a bargain so I bought it and stored it away.

Six months later, my friend was asking around to see if anyone had a BBQ she could borrow for her mum's birthday party which friend was hosting. Mine wasn't being used, so I happily lent it to her. She used it and thanked me and said she'd drop it back at some point. As I still didn't have a suitable garden, I said there was no immediate rush.

The following summer, I had a suitable garden and wanted to have a BBQ, but recalled my mate hadn't returned it. I asked her to return it and she apologised for not doing so sooner, but later messaged to say that she's really sorry, she's looked and not been able to find it. Said she must have lost it!

Not quite sure how you can lose a fucking BBQ. I lent it to her unopened, in its box, it weighed a lot and was big and bulky.

I was quite upset, as I'd never even got to use it, but I didn't go off at her as she was pregnant with her first child and she'd had a couple of scares. So, I asked if she could have another look for it and get back to me.

Anyway, long story short, she couldn't find it. I awaited her message to say she'd replace it, but it never came. Her DD was then born and I let it go for a while as she was on mat leave and money was tight. But when she was back working, I asked her outright to replace it and she said she would, but it never materialised.

So, every spring for the past five years I have asked her again if she could please replace my BBQ. She says she will, but doesn't.

I know it's only a BBQ, but it's not something I'd usually be able to afford for the original price and I've held off buying a cheap one, hoping friend will come through with replacement.

Clocks have now gone forward and it's almost time for my annual request for my BBQ! 😅 My mum said I should let it go, but my DH agrees with me and said I should persist for a replacement.

If I lost something I borrowed, expensive or not, I'd replace it straight away.

My friend is doing well for herself and recently got a brand new car, her DD and DS have lovely clothes and lots of tech, so money doesn't seem to be the reason. And if it was, I'd be open to her paying for it in installments.

Soooo....

YABU - Suck it up buttercup, it's gone, get over it.
YANBU - She needs to replace it, regardless of how much time as passed. It's the principle of the matter.

OP posts:
Bellyblueboy · 05/04/2024 23:28

She clearly doesn’t value your friendship.

you do t lose a large BBQ. She gave it away, she sold it or it was stolen.

by this stage I would stop asking - it’s been too long. She is never buying you a BBQ. But she isn’t your friend.

Wigtopia · 05/04/2024 23:27

@YorkshireRose80 the way I read this was you lent it to her but then used her as free storage facility. 🤔 is it possible she tried more than once to return it to you during the time you didn’t have suitable space for it and she decided she didn’t want to continue storing it for you?

jetSTAR · 05/04/2024 23:21

Will you let us know how this plays out please OP?

Natbro · 05/04/2024 23:06

My god... its been 6 years 😅

just write it off now and buy yourself a new one.

you are never getting it back or the money for it lmaooo

HoHoHoliday · 05/04/2024 23:04

I would try putting something in writing, so it's formal.
Lay out the facts, you lent her the BBQ, she did not return it and told you it had been lost. You asked her to replace it and she agreed, but did not do that. You allowed her a very reasonable period because of her being on maternity leave. When she returned to work, you asked again for her to replace your BBQ that she had lost, she again agreed, but again did not do it. You've been more than reasonable in waiting five years and are now asking, formally, for her to replace the lost BBQ. Include some instruction of what to buy - a like for like model, the price, the shop name.
Mention somewhere in the letter that you have kept the message chain and can forward any back to her if she needs a reminder.

If you continue to send text message she will continue to fob you off. By putting this in writing you are making a formal request.
I think you could also consider this the end of the friendship. Would you really pursue a friendship with someone who treats you with such disrespect?

Sagittarius · 05/04/2024 22:43

She's either sold it or damaged it, nobody loses a BBQ. Some friend she is, I would stop pursuing it now though, too much time has passed you aren't getting that back.

I also don't think I would want to continue a friendship with someone that is blatantly lying to you about it.

fluffycloudsfloatingpast · 05/04/2024 22:40

Ask her if you can borrow something of a similar value and don't give it back.

If you can't sort it I would definitely bin her off.

dawngreen · 05/04/2024 22:40

Sold it or left it out in the garden, and its been stolen.

unsurebut · 05/04/2024 22:38

Just say you're having a BBQ on X date so you'll need it by then. Make the date quite close so she can't 'forget'.

Luxell934 · 05/04/2024 22:37

This is hilarious. Of course she should have given you back your BBQ or replaced it but it’s been 5 years OP I think you need to let it go. Are you actually “friends” with this person? Have you seen her regularly and kept up the friendship in 5 years or do you just send her texts once a year asking about your BBQ?

Noseybookworm · 05/04/2024 22:34

It's been 6 years!! She's obviously not planning on replacing it, you are going to have to let it go. She's not much of a friend is she? 😏

Nazzywish · 05/04/2024 22:34

I also don't think she 'lost' it. Likely she set it up at her mums when hosting etc and juet let her keep it- maybe as a 'gift?' To someone. And now can't ask for it back!

PissedOff2020 · 05/04/2024 22:33

20 years ago I lent a friend £200 to come on holiday with us. If I hadn’t lent her it she could not have afforded to come.
We have a blast in Malia for a week… time came to pay me back. I think I got about £60.
In the end I could have fallen out with her over it, or just wrote it off in my head and never lend her anything again. It did annoy me, but I got over it for the sake of not losing my friendship. I think that’s the same choice you right now. It’s been 6 years, move on or don’t.

Nazzywish · 05/04/2024 22:32

5 years on is abit long now OP. So you still want to maintain this friendship because I'd let it go if she meant that much just because of the sheer amount of time that's now passed.
However if she generally is selfish and not really a close close friend then yes let her hear it. And maybe set a deadline for payment this time around.

DietsAreForTheWeak · 05/04/2024 22:31

mamacorn1 · 04/04/2024 10:49

Tell her she owes you the money for a new bbq or you’ll go to small claims court - she is not much of a friend is she?

Some people will walk all over you until they get figuratively slapped back. @mamacorn1 is correct. Two things will happen. She will play the victim. Mock, jeer, insult you etc.
She will pay you back which means she could have in the past but thought you were a push over.

5YearsLeft · 05/04/2024 22:24

YorkshireRose80 · 04/04/2024 11:13

£300. But I bought it half price. A previous poster said too much time has passed for small claims court sadly.

I think, though cannot guarantee, that previous poster was mistaken. In situations like this, it is usually six years since the LOSS was recorded. (Six years since you bought the product is if the product itself was faulty). So you are just barely within the time limits of small claims (based on a case my friend brought against someone “losing” their guitar and not replacing it) and you need to jump on this right now, but do call Citizens’ Advice on Monday and they can tell you for sure.
Here’s the page that talks about when the clock started ticking for small claims, based on which type of loss:
https://www.citizensadvice.org.uk/law-and-courts/legal-system/small-claims/deciding-whether-to-make-a-small-claim/
Your situation is a bit more like what’s listed on the page under “If you rent and need repairs,” where six years starts from when you notified them you needed repairs. Six years either starts from when she notified you it was lost, OR the first time you asked for replacement. (For this, you need to ask Citizens’ Advice).

Also, outside of court, it doesn’t matter if you paid £150. If it’s going to cost you £300 to replace it, then she owes you £300. She lost a £300 BBQ, not a £150 one. Stop with this sending links of different BBQs nonsense. You just text her, “£300 is what the BBQ was worth. This is what I will have to pay to replace. Please transfer that amount to me by the end of the week,” with bank details. If there’s a cash flow issue, ask her how long she needs. My recommendation: DO NOT accept a payment plan that runs longer than your time left to take her to small claims court, or you may never any money.

Deciding whether to make a small claim

Find out what you should consider before starting a small claim and when you can make one.

https://www.citizensadvice.org.uk/law-and-courts/legal-system/small-claims/deciding-whether-to-make-a-small-claim/#:~:text=You%20have%20the%20right%20to,find%20out%20more%20about%20this.

Newpancake92 · 05/04/2024 22:16

AgileMentor · 05/04/2024 21:26

How do you misplace a fecking BBQ

Exactly!
I'm wondering if she just decided to keep it.

Cornishclio · 05/04/2024 22:15

You can ask but given she hasn't replaced it on all the other times you might as well just suck it up and buy another one and never lend her anything again. I don't think I would want to stay friends with her anyway.

Newpancake92 · 05/04/2024 22:15

How can someone lose a friend's items and be so unbothered about it 🙈
But also, how on Earth do you lose a bloody BBQ?? 😵😵

BronwenTheBrave · 05/04/2024 22:09

It’s gone. Move on either with or without her friendship.

Beautiful3 · 05/04/2024 22:08

Or ask her to send you x money by x date.

Beautiful3 · 05/04/2024 22:06

Send her a link to a bbq you want. Tell her to buy it before x date, as you want to have a bbq. See what she says.

Andthereyougo · 05/04/2024 21:59

Hi friend, I’m ordering a new bbq as you’ve not returned mine. You can transfer the price of £££ to my account (details) this weekend then I can arrange delivery. Thanks.

LittleRedYarny · 05/04/2024 21:47

Do you text her asking for her to replace it? If so that’s too easy to ignore and disconnect your guilt from. Pop round, stand on her doorstep and ask her to order you a replacement (take the details
of your choice to the same value) or she can bank transfer you the money - either way she can do it while you wait… perhaps she can throw in some tea and biscuits as payment for your inconvenience :oP

MaybeRevisitYourWipingT3chnique · 05/04/2024 21:42

NamelessNancy · 05/04/2024 19:59

I'm not sure the car example is as clear cut. If the mum was really struggling perhaps she couldn't afford to tax and insure the car. The money she gained from selling it may have been really helpful and been appreciated. When you give something away you shouldn't expect to control what is done with it. A loan, like the barbecue is a different matter.

(Disclaimer - I'd never take a valuable gift like a car from a virtual stranger myself!)

I disagree. All she needed to say was "That's incredibly kind of you, but I'm afraid we couldn't afford to insure and run it".

OP specifically offered to give her a car, because she perceived that she might need a car (I can't remember if the woman had said anything along those lines). She didn't just give her something of value for her to sell for cash - it was a targeted gift to meet a need.

The antique ram castrator was the same.

Would you not be a little disappointed if you gave your family presents that you'd picked out for them - or maybe items of your own that they'd always openly admired - and they then came straight back to show you what they'd bought with the money they got from selling them?

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