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To think they should still replace it...

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YorkshireRose80 · 04/04/2024 10:47

TLDR:
Friend borrowed expensive item six years ago, lost it and not replaced it despite frequent requests asking for it to be replaced.

Long version:
Six years ago, I bought a £300 fancy BBQ in a sale for £150, I didn't have a suitable garden for it at the time, but it was a bargain so I bought it and stored it away.

Six months later, my friend was asking around to see if anyone had a BBQ she could borrow for her mum's birthday party which friend was hosting. Mine wasn't being used, so I happily lent it to her. She used it and thanked me and said she'd drop it back at some point. As I still didn't have a suitable garden, I said there was no immediate rush.

The following summer, I had a suitable garden and wanted to have a BBQ, but recalled my mate hadn't returned it. I asked her to return it and she apologised for not doing so sooner, but later messaged to say that she's really sorry, she's looked and not been able to find it. Said she must have lost it!

Not quite sure how you can lose a fucking BBQ. I lent it to her unopened, in its box, it weighed a lot and was big and bulky.

I was quite upset, as I'd never even got to use it, but I didn't go off at her as she was pregnant with her first child and she'd had a couple of scares. So, I asked if she could have another look for it and get back to me.

Anyway, long story short, she couldn't find it. I awaited her message to say she'd replace it, but it never came. Her DD was then born and I let it go for a while as she was on mat leave and money was tight. But when she was back working, I asked her outright to replace it and she said she would, but it never materialised.

So, every spring for the past five years I have asked her again if she could please replace my BBQ. She says she will, but doesn't.

I know it's only a BBQ, but it's not something I'd usually be able to afford for the original price and I've held off buying a cheap one, hoping friend will come through with replacement.

Clocks have now gone forward and it's almost time for my annual request for my BBQ! 😅 My mum said I should let it go, but my DH agrees with me and said I should persist for a replacement.

If I lost something I borrowed, expensive or not, I'd replace it straight away.

My friend is doing well for herself and recently got a brand new car, her DD and DS have lovely clothes and lots of tech, so money doesn't seem to be the reason. And if it was, I'd be open to her paying for it in installments.

Soooo....

YABU - Suck it up buttercup, it's gone, get over it.
YANBU - She needs to replace it, regardless of how much time as passed. It's the principle of the matter.

OP posts:
Gonnagetgoingreturnsagain · 06/04/2024 08:32

It’s either rusted or she just wants to keep it for free. If it’s the latter she should at least say but offer you £150 for it.

This reminds me a bit of some family friends who were more DB’s friends who wanted to stay in DP’s French holiday home and drove there. DM asked if they could bring back 2 small bags of clothes for her and they said yes. On returning no sign of clothes and they said they’d lost them. There were some nice, unusual clothes there including presents of clothes from stepdad to DM. They’re still speaking but I still can’t understand how they got lost, their house was a state though messy and very cluttered (hoarder scale) so DM thinks the bags got mixed up and binned by mistake. If it were me I’d have offered at least the value of some of the clothes as a gesture, they both worked.

Lifetooshort23 · 06/04/2024 08:27

mamacorn1 · 04/04/2024 10:49

Tell her she owes you the money for a new bbq or you’ll go to small claims court - she is not much of a friend is she?

Came here to say the same, glad it’s the second post!
She isn’t a friend. She’s incredibly rude. Get your money/replacement and then cut her off.

angeldelightisyummy · 06/04/2024 08:25

Could you offer to go round and help her look for it?

I suspect it there and trashed or she’s lent it on and its not been returned to her?

PennyPugwash · 06/04/2024 08:22

No, I wouldn't let this lie.
I'd ask bluntly one more time, sending a link, giving a deadline etc and if you don't get it back I would NEVER speak to her again.
It a blatant disregard for you in so many ways and it's unacceptable

Tillievanilly · 06/04/2024 08:19

She has sold it hasn’t she. Or she is lying to you. Time for her to give you the money? Or find a new friend. Unless she has a habit of losing large items…
but it has happened more than once hasn’t it.

Zyq · 06/04/2024 08:02

YorkshireRose80 · 04/04/2024 11:13

£300. But I bought it half price. A previous poster said too much time has passed for small claims court sadly.

Not necessarily. If she's acknowledged the debt within the last six years you still have time to claim.

maddening · 06/04/2024 07:55

Find the like for like bbq, meet with her in person, ask her to order it now while your are.there and have it delivered to your house.

AgileMentor · 06/04/2024 07:55

Newpancake92 · 05/04/2024 22:16

Exactly!
I'm wondering if she just decided to keep it.

She’s either kept or or sold it!

Viviennemary · 06/04/2024 07:50

NuffSaidSam · 04/04/2024 10:56

Or invite her over for a BBQ and have nothing when she gets there and see if it sinks in.

Yes good idea. Say I thought you were bringing my barbecue.

BunniesRUs · 06/04/2024 07:31

Just reading this is infuriating me. Poor op. She is not a good friend.

Globules · 06/04/2024 07:27

I'd send her a link to the BBQ that's a like for like replacement. I'd also send my bank details for her to pay. I'd ask for payment within a week. Don't ask them to pay and send it to your address, as they'll have the receipt.

I'd also inform in this message that if she doesn't transfer the money, you will be submitting a claim to the small claims court due to her theft of your property. Tell her this will be more expensive for her, as she will also be liable for court costs. Tell her that your original BBQ receipt, the messages between you showing the loan and her refusal to return will ensure the court finds in your favour.

Then follow through with the small court claim if she doesn't pay.

Do this TODAY. You're nearly out of time.

Consider this friendship over. Your "friend" has.

Mercurysinretrograde · 06/04/2024 06:01

Tell her you really need it and can you meet up with her mum to try to figure out where it could be? Or so she and her mum can make a plan to replace it? It was borrowed for her mum’s birthday and bringing mum into it might shame her into some action. Or tell her you’re suing her and mum in the small claims court.

PriOn1 · 06/04/2024 04:17

"Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results."

You’ve asked and she’s blown you off for several years?

Why waste more of your time:

a) asking again
b) posting on Mumsnet about it.

You’re not going to get it back, nor are you going to get any money.

Your only decision now is when to cut this thief out of your life. Anything else is throwing time away that could usefully be spent doing something else.

RawBloomers · 06/04/2024 03:47

Stop asking for the BBQ. Look for the current model of the same BBQ and send her a request for the cost to buy it and have it delivered to your house.

Something along the lines of - Hi X, Saw your new [make of car]. Love it! Look, I’m wanting to have a BBQ in a few weeks for some friends and since you’ve been instant that you want to replace the BBQ of mine you lost but have found it too tricky to work out how to replace it, I’ve found the replacement myself. Please send me XXXXX by Tuesday so I can order it in time. [bank details]. Thanks, Yorkshire.

You should never have accepted her choosing the replacement. You should have sent her links to BBQs you found acceptable to be shipped to your home. If she wanted to source it elsewhere and pick it up to save herself some money, that would have been up to her. But don’t offer her that as an idea now. Tell her how to fix this properly and stop accepting her being such a CF.

PyongyangKipperbang · 06/04/2024 03:11

"OK, joke over. I loaned you the BBQ a long time ago and have never had it back. It was a £300 new and I never used it. Either buy a suitable replacement (a bucket with a grill over is not the same!) or transfer me £300. I am done with trying to excuse your theft from me, I will mention this to X (her DH) when I see him as I am sick of this"

I rather suspect that accusing her of theft and threatening to dob her in to her DH (who she probably lied to about how she got it) will do the trick.

Kisskiss · 06/04/2024 03:09

Send her a link to one that’s similar, ask for the MONEY to be transferred and then buy it yourself

Mothership4two · 06/04/2024 02:04

I'm not voting because YANBU for expecting her to replace it, but YABU six years later.

I hate lending stuff because people often don't expect to replace if it's lost or broken.

RogueFemale · 06/04/2024 01:25

Sparklfairy · 04/04/2024 14:06

Technically you're still within the time for small claims court. It's 6 years from when you first realised there was a problem (that she had lost it), not 6 years from when you bought it/lent it to her.

You'd have to be quick though.

Yes, agreed.

CJsGoldfish · 06/04/2024 01:15

I'd send a message along the lines of " ..I've been asking for 5 years, can you please be honest and let me know if you actually don't intend replacing it? I'm a little hurt that you've just said enough to placate me for 5 years. I really want a bbq this year so let me know asap"

Her answer/attitude would then determine how I saw the friendship going forward tbh

user1492757084 · 06/04/2024 00:56

Try something different.
Look up shops that stock the similar BBQ with the same brand.
Take down addresses and prices and visit the BBQ Thief.

Sit down and show her where you both will be going to replace the BBQ. Plan a shopping trip in your car with her on a date that suits, within the next two weeks.

Go shopping. Buy her a coffee but watch her buy you a BBQ, or at least two thirds of one.

Next time you lend a BBQ, ask for it to be returned, cleaned, the following day.

Alwaytired44 · 06/04/2024 00:22

Itsaloadofbollocksbut · 04/04/2024 11:07

Time limit for claIms is 6 years…….

But if OP re-bought the BBQ herself then billed the friend for it, the 6 years would then run from the date of the ‘invoice’

PopandFizz · 06/04/2024 00:01

I can't believe you haven't got a bbq because of this lol

For a start, you can't really expect a £300 bbq when she knows you paid £150. But too much time has passed, how do you function otherwise as friends? Just ignore the bbq issue? Have you ever had an honest discussion where youve said to her face 'this is getting daft now' is the friendship worth the £150 argument?

I think you need to think about what means more to you. If your friendship means more then I think its time to cut your losses, buy a new bbq and move on with your life.
If the £150 means more then I'd still buy a new bbq, send her a photo of the receipt and say 'Hi, couldn't wait any longer so bought my bbq. Please can you send over the £150 as this is all getting a bit silly now and I don't want it to affect our friendship but it does bother me that you have been fobbing me off about this for 5 years now'

AcrossthePond55 · 05/04/2024 23:50

YorkshireRose80 · 04/04/2024 19:32

Nope. Then again, I didn't invite her to any at mine....

Oh, wait a minute.... 😅

Yeah, see, what I'd do is invite them over for a BBQ. When they got there I'd point at some steaks or hamburgers (raw) with a Daily Fail sad face and say "If I'd only had something to cook it on".

Onautopilot1 · 05/04/2024 23:37

I agree with earlier posters; she's had a clear out/ garage sale and your bbq was in it. Ask again, every week if necessary, until she coughs up a similar bbq (yours will definitely not be in as new condition by now) or equivalent cash.

CommentNow · 05/04/2024 23:37

Borrow something expensive of hers and hold it hostage.

Pop in unexpectedly and ask to borrow her hair straighteners for a night out.

When she asks for them back say you've been looking for them but cant find them.

Wait and see if she works it out.