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PepsiMaxx0 · 04/04/2024 10:15

I have a clean driving license. Driving for over 40 years with no incidents. Like many others I sometimes go over the limit on motorways if I consider it safe to do so....
I was travelling back from Manchester airport on the m62 during the early hours of this morning. Almost empty motorway. Doing about 80mph average I would say. Occasionally crept to 85. I noticed a camera flash on the gantry. No limits were lit up. I assumed it was from the other side and carried on. Several miles later it did it again and yes for a 3rd time which is when I thought this is too much of a coincidence it must be me! I've just woken and have that sick feeling. The only defence I can offer is motorway was empty, it was between 4 - 5 am this happened and I do not think I was driving dangerously. I just wanted to get home to bed after a late night flight. What will be the penalty for this?

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Shade17 · 04/04/2024 18:32

BloodyAdultDC · 04/04/2024 16:39

According to Brake around half of deaths on UK roads in 2021/2022 were to do with exceeding speed limits or inappropriate speed for the road conditions -

More like 25% but neither I or the PP is was replying to were talking about all these accidents being fatal, most accidents which cause motorway queues aren’t fatal. The number of reported accidents which involve exceeding the speed limit is around 6%, less than the number of accidents caused by pedestrians failing to look properly - maybe we should ban walking 😁

GoingJacobsandRitz · 04/04/2024 18:30

goldenretrievermum5 · 04/04/2024 18:20

The key difference is that they are speeding legally and out of necessity, not just some arse who thinks that they’re more important than everyone else + above the law

They've also had a lot of training in driving at speed.

goldenretrievermum5 · 04/04/2024 18:20

Ihearyousingingdownthewire · 04/04/2024 18:14

What makes you think they’re a ‘bad’ driver? They’ve only admitted to being an occasional fast driver.

By your ‘logic’, emergency services under blues and twos are ‘bad’ drivers.

The key difference is that they are speeding legally and out of necessity, not just some arse who thinks that they’re more important than everyone else + above the law

Ihearyousingingdownthewire · 04/04/2024 18:16

I try not to, but I do find the vast flappy majority of replies on any motoring thread on here very entertaining.

Ihearyousingingdownthewire · 04/04/2024 18:14

viques · 04/04/2024 15:47

You sound just like my stepfather from hell, who was a terrible driver but thought he was the bees knees. He was on a similar boasty rant like that when my 12 year old nephew piped up saying “Just as well most of the other road users do know how to drive then isn’t it?” It’s the same herd immunity argument anti vaxxers use ( but different! ) it’s largely the good drivers who are keeping the bad drivers safe.

What makes you think they’re a ‘bad’ driver? They’ve only admitted to being an occasional fast driver.

By your ‘logic’, emergency services under blues and twos are ‘bad’ drivers.

GasPanic · 04/04/2024 18:04

BusyMummy001 · 04/04/2024 17:44

Think people claiming modern car speedometers are inaccurate and a reading of 85 is closer to 77/78 are deluding themselves. If they were in accurate then the speed on my googlemap apps or the garmin I use must also be similarly inaccurate as the readings are always exactly the same as what’s on my speedo.

Also, not sure ‘yeh, my speedo said 80 but, like, that means its like only 72 IRL, rite?’ is much of a defence in court.

They tend to read over the actual speed.

Pretty much every car I have driven reads over compared to the Garmin. Not by much though - maybe 3-4 mph at 70 mph.

They do that because of the way the regulations are constructed.

bord · 04/04/2024 18:03

BusyMummy001 · 04/04/2024 17:44

Think people claiming modern car speedometers are inaccurate and a reading of 85 is closer to 77/78 are deluding themselves. If they were in accurate then the speed on my googlemap apps or the garmin I use must also be similarly inaccurate as the readings are always exactly the same as what’s on my speedo.

Also, not sure ‘yeh, my speedo said 80 but, like, that means its like only 72 IRL, rite?’ is much of a defence in court.

I think you're replying indirectly to me amongst others possibly.
My car is 2 years old and the speedo is inaccurate. If I accept that my satnav is accurate and that also those cameras that show you what speed you're doing as you drive past are also accurate, my speedo is out by about 10%.

But yeah, you're right that you have to know your own car and whether or not you could "get away with it" or not.

BusyMummy001 · 04/04/2024 17:44

Think people claiming modern car speedometers are inaccurate and a reading of 85 is closer to 77/78 are deluding themselves. If they were in accurate then the speed on my googlemap apps or the garmin I use must also be similarly inaccurate as the readings are always exactly the same as what’s on my speedo.

Also, not sure ‘yeh, my speedo said 80 but, like, that means its like only 72 IRL, rite?’ is much of a defence in court.

Wellhellooooodear · 04/04/2024 17:37

Don't worry you won't lose your licence for this.

Wellhellooooodear · 04/04/2024 17:36

oprahwindsock · 04/04/2024 10:18

Hopefully you'll get points and a fine, maybe even a ban. Speeding kills.

How utterly sanctimonious

ConsuelaHammock · 04/04/2024 17:25

Another stat I recall from the course. If you hit a child at 40mph they have an 80% of dying. If you hit a child at 30mph they have an 80% chance of surviving. Scary but important to be aware that an additional 10 miles an hour could take a child from their family. I am very conscious of reading speed limits properly.

GoingJacobsandRitz · 04/04/2024 17:24

Jovacknockowitch · 04/04/2024 17:19

So the outcome is affected by speed, but exceeding the speed limit isn't the sole cause of crashes. All crashes could be avoided by vehicles never moving.

You speed, you have less time to think, less time to judge. If you hit a big puddle of water and aquaplane you're a gonna. If you turn a corner too fast you'll skid out of control. If your tyre bursts at speed the consequences are dreadful.

JosieJones1987 · 04/04/2024 17:23

@Jovacknockowitch it's becoming less common.

IIdentifyAsInnocent · 04/04/2024 17:22

Firstly, you can ask for all of these to be treated as one offence. It is one incidence of speeding (over a protracted period) not three. See here: scullionlaw.com/what-happens-if-you-are-caught-speeding-twice/

But I think that can only be decided in court not by police.

Secondly, slow down (but you know that anyway)

ConsuelaHammock · 04/04/2024 17:20

I had to do a speed awareness course. Think it was 33/34 in a 30.
Upon arrival they asked us to write down the reason why we were driving over the speed limit. Mine was I genuinely didn’t see the 30mph sign. No excuse!
At the end of the course they told us to imagine we had killed someone with our speeding. The reason we put at the beginning of the course is what we would say to the family. It’s stayed with me.
Imagine telling the family of loved you just wanted to get home!

Jovacknockowitch · 04/04/2024 17:19

Dery · 04/04/2024 16:57

“Needs longer braking distance and quicker reaction times. Neither of which would be likely late at night/early in the morning or under the current wet and rainy weather conditions. The force of impact for someone going 80mph is huge. I found an online calculator that said crashing at 80mph is the equivalent to being crushed by something weighing 120,000lbs”

This. Plus the faster a car is going, the more likely it is to spin out of control because of driving conditions or something on the road or just because of the road layout. There’s no mystery about why driving at high speed can be dangerous.

So the outcome is affected by speed, but exceeding the speed limit isn't the sole cause of crashes. All crashes could be avoided by vehicles never moving.

Jovacknockowitch · 04/04/2024 17:17

JosieJones1987 · 04/04/2024 17:12

@JJathome this isn't true. Police forces have the discretion to accept a few mph over but they don't have to

They don't have to, but they do.

Jovacknockowitch · 04/04/2024 17:15

goldenretrievermum5 · 04/04/2024 17:05

I know, I’m purposefully ignoring it - I’m glad that both the barrister and you believe that you’re above the law. 1mph over is still 1mph over. His job doesn’t mean that he’s not a speeding tosser as well.

What a ridiculous extrapolation - no-one actually gets prosecuted for 1mph over a speed limit in the UK, that's just a fact, not anyone claiming the law doesn't apply to them.

JosieJones1987 · 04/04/2024 17:12

@JJathome this isn't true. Police forces have the discretion to accept a few mph over but they don't have to

JJathome · 04/04/2024 17:10

goldenretrievermum5 · 04/04/2024 16:38

Who or what is this source for your allegedly truthful and reliable information? The law is the law and limits are limits - they can legally prosecute for 1mph over.

To be fair there is a tolerance, it’s about 2 or 3 miles.

it’s 2 miles above 50, in a 50 zone. I got caught doing 53 and had to do a course.

JJathome · 04/04/2024 17:08

My friends husband did this . I was a bit mind boggled by the behaviour. But he just got points and a course. If you were 80 /85 I think 6 points and a speed awareness course. Or you can declime the course and take 9 points. I’d not advise it.

goldenretrievermum5 · 04/04/2024 17:05

SofiaSoFar · 04/04/2024 17:00

@goldenretrievermum5

I forgot to @ you in my reply to your question, so it's quoted here.

I know, I’m purposefully ignoring it - I’m glad that both the barrister and you believe that you’re above the law. 1mph over is still 1mph over. His job doesn’t mean that he’s not a speeding tosser as well.

SofiaSoFar · 04/04/2024 17:00

SofiaSoFar · 04/04/2024 16:48

Andrew Thompson. One of the top motoring law barristers in this country.

He has also offered to pay the fine himself for anyone who can prove they were prosecuted for a few mph over the posted limit (ignoring the current '20 limit everywhere' debacle for a moment).

That offer has been posted on motoring forums for years and yet no one has ever come forward with proof, because it doesn't happen.

And anyone talking about "band" anything fines for 1mph over the limit deserves a contemptuous response.

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@goldenretrievermum5

I forgot to @ you in my reply to your question, so it's quoted here.

Dery · 04/04/2024 16:57

“Needs longer braking distance and quicker reaction times. Neither of which would be likely late at night/early in the morning or under the current wet and rainy weather conditions. The force of impact for someone going 80mph is huge. I found an online calculator that said crashing at 80mph is the equivalent to being crushed by something weighing 120,000lbs”

This. Plus the faster a car is going, the more likely it is to spin out of control because of driving conditions or something on the road or just because of the road layout. There’s no mystery about why driving at high speed can be dangerous.

GoingJacobsandRitz · 04/04/2024 16:54

Jovacknockowitch · 04/04/2024 16:49

How does speed cause these accidents exactly?

Needs longer braking distance and quicker reaction times. Neither of which would be likely late at night/early in the morning or under the current wet and rainy weather conditions. The force of impact for someone going 80mph is huge. I found an online calculator that said crashing at 80mph is the equivalent to being crushed by something weighing 120,000lbs

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