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PepsiMaxx0 · 04/04/2024 10:15

I have a clean driving license. Driving for over 40 years with no incidents. Like many others I sometimes go over the limit on motorways if I consider it safe to do so....
I was travelling back from Manchester airport on the m62 during the early hours of this morning. Almost empty motorway. Doing about 80mph average I would say. Occasionally crept to 85. I noticed a camera flash on the gantry. No limits were lit up. I assumed it was from the other side and carried on. Several miles later it did it again and yes for a 3rd time which is when I thought this is too much of a coincidence it must be me! I've just woken and have that sick feeling. The only defence I can offer is motorway was empty, it was between 4 - 5 am this happened and I do not think I was driving dangerously. I just wanted to get home to bed after a late night flight. What will be the penalty for this?

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BillyNotQuiteNoMates · 06/04/2024 07:21

PepsiMaxx0 · 04/04/2024 10:15

I have a clean driving license. Driving for over 40 years with no incidents. Like many others I sometimes go over the limit on motorways if I consider it safe to do so....
I was travelling back from Manchester airport on the m62 during the early hours of this morning. Almost empty motorway. Doing about 80mph average I would say. Occasionally crept to 85. I noticed a camera flash on the gantry. No limits were lit up. I assumed it was from the other side and carried on. Several miles later it did it again and yes for a 3rd time which is when I thought this is too much of a coincidence it must be me! I've just woken and have that sick feeling. The only defence I can offer is motorway was empty, it was between 4 - 5 am this happened and I do not think I was driving dangerously. I just wanted to get home to bed after a late night flight. What will be the penalty for this?

If you do get multiple tickets, your best bet is probably to go to court and argue the case that the incident was one infraction on a single journey, rather than three. You won’t lose your licence.
People get really hung up on speed limits, imo, but turn a blind eye to other, frankly far more dangerous driving practices.

IFHTTBIC · 06/04/2024 07:15

This kind of attitude is why I'm terrified of driving round Manchester although I'm going to have to grit my teeth and do it very shortly. This part of England recently voted THEMSELVES the worst drivers in the country. I honestly don't understand why the driving style here is so bad, but having lived in several other parts of the UK (including Belfast) you literally take your life in your hands. I dated an Italian a few years ago and he reckoned he'd seen safer driving in Rome and Milan.... I have met a lot of automatic car drivers up here so maybe people don't realise it's not the dodgems????

Teateaandmoretea · 06/04/2024 07:11

OP a quick google tells me that if it’s in one journey the ‘offences’ can be counted as one.

So if you get multiple fines/ points I would suggest you contact a solicitor for advice.

You’d only get one if a police officer had been following you for several miles after all.

Newhorizons8 · 06/04/2024 07:07

I've been flashed a few times and nothing has ever come of it. Sometimes I think they aren't even recording, it's just a deterrent, so I wouldn't overly stress about it.However, after the first flash I would have adjusted speed.

BobnLen · 06/04/2024 06:44

TesticularHeft · 06/04/2024 06:34

First offence isn't speed awareness just because it's the first offence. It still has to fit within the table posted.

According to what OP has posted it does, maybe you didn't read the OP.

MariaVT65 · 06/04/2024 06:42

Christ.

Stop driving so fast. You have no excuse. Motorways have more accidents overnight, probably partly because of people like you.

The only person i know who got excused from speeding was on his way to his dad who was having a heart attack, and sent in the death certificate.

A colleague of mine was offered a speed awareness course after being caught doing 80, but was caught doing 80 again before her course so automatically got points.

I’d recommend always staying within 10% of the speed limit. 85 is ridiculous.

shoppingshamed · 06/04/2024 06:37

PepsiMaxx0 · 05/04/2024 23:09

It wasn't a 50mph zone. There were no speed limits set on the overhead gantrys at all. They were all completely blank.
PS yes I know I shouldn't have been doing more than 70.

I can't see if your said that you saw the flashes in front of you or in your rear view mirror, which was it?

In future use a maps app or say nav that shows you where the cameras are as an extra reminder to keep to the speed linit

TesticularHeft · 06/04/2024 06:34

BobnLen · 06/04/2024 06:28

Some can't get the facts right even when they display a chart, have you missed that first offence is generally a SAC @TesticularHeft so SAC and then 6 points

First offence isn't speed awareness just because it's the first offence. It still has to fit within the table posted.

BobnLen · 06/04/2024 06:28

Some can't get the facts right even when they display a chart, have you missed that first offence is generally a SAC @TesticularHeft so SAC and then 6 points

TesticularHeft · 06/04/2024 06:26

@Skyisbluegrassisgreen it's empty until it isn't. Crashes at night happen because something unexpected happens and there is no time to react. OP clearly doesn't have the wherewithal to see past the end of her nose so it's not exactly an argument for being able to drive over the limit.

There was a crash on the m1 years ago where a lorry driver had fallen asleep in lane one. A mini bus didn't see him till the last minute and moved into lane two without checking their blind spot. They ended up squished between the overtaking lorry in lane two and the standstill in lane one. They weren't speeding but it was empty prior to that. The company I worked for had to recover that minibus. It was heartbreaking and people need to be more careful. I now have a different job driving 200 miles a day and the shit I see is scary. People have no idea.

TesticularHeft · 06/04/2024 06:21

I saw this post on the Facebook page and thought "oh, another post panicking about speeding" and the responses would either be "speed kills" or "it's 3 points and £100, you'll be fine" which is how they normally go and some people share the calculator for whether it's speed awareness, fine or court.

But fuck me, you drove past three cameras that flashed and didn't think to slow down? You shouldn't be on the road! There is no excuse and you will not be able to defend yourself. Someone driving 40 years should know that many motorways have cameras on now.

One flash is calibration. Two flashes is you getting caught. They'll likely be treated as separate offences so 3 x £100 and 9 points. It'll be a very careful 3 years for you.

To be terrified I'll lose my license
Skyisbluegrassisgreen · 06/04/2024 04:55

oprahwindsock · 04/04/2024 10:18

Hopefully you'll get points and a fine, maybe even a ban. Speeding kills.

On an empty motorway?? Who’s she going to kill some flies?!

CraftingFrog · 06/04/2024 02:30

I imagine just about everyone believes it’s safe to do so when they choose to speed, doesn’t make it so. Hopefully whatever the legal consequences this will serve as a wake up call and it won’t be something you choose to do in the future

Gemütlich81 · 06/04/2024 02:22

I really don’t think you are understanding the camera system on the motorway network. The smart motorway signs do flash up with different speeds depending on the volume of traffic. If there is no number on the screens that means the speed limit of 70mph applies. The smart signs have cameras on permanently and will flash a vehicle if going over the speed limit. You were going over the speed limit so they flashed. It is as simple as that!

goldenretrievermum5 · 06/04/2024 01:21

Wishiwascrafty · 06/04/2024 00:43

You could alternatively try and find a shred of empathy within you for someone who has made a mistake, caused no harm and is now worried. You won’t though. Which brings me back to my original assessment of sanctimonious twat.

I would have sympathy for OP if she had slowed down once she acknowledged her mistake, we all have a lapse in concentration sometimes. What I absolutely cannot defend or find sympathy for is the fact that she knowingly continued to speed once she realised she had a) likely been flashed by a speed camera and b) was going well over the limit. There is 0 excuse for that.

70isaLimitNotaTarget · 06/04/2024 01:03

I'm just going to wade in with my very apt user-name here ....

I use the M25 a fair bit some stretches are 4 lanes .
The number of wankers in the outer lane with barely a metre between them going 90-100 +

I'm just glad they're well away from me and not up my backside .
And yes I hope they get caught but who knows

Wishiwascrafty · 06/04/2024 00:43

goldenretrievermum5 · 06/04/2024 00:12

Apologies, some of us find purposefully speeding and putting other road users at risk bothersome. Shall try harder to be a bit more selfish and go full Lewis Hamilton mode next time I’m on the motorway, who cares about those pesky laws or speed cameras.

You could alternatively try and find a shred of empathy within you for someone who has made a mistake, caused no harm and is now worried. You won’t though. Which brings me back to my original assessment of sanctimonious twat.

Yesyouarebeingatwat · 06/04/2024 00:27

Christmastree455555 · 04/04/2024 10:23

The M62 is riddled with cameras, the average speed doesn’t have to be up. anything over the speed limit will trigger them.
so you probably have been flashed three times. Depending on the speed you were actually doing the first one you probably will get a speed awareness course for, based on the 10% + 2 rule… so basically up to 79 it would be speed awareness. The next you might be get points for - so six all in all.

You won’t lose your licence don’t panic

I don't know if anybody else has already said but this isn't correct.

Three flashes from three different cameras means three offences.

For some seemingly arbitrary reason you can't be got more than once per 24 hours per camera. But different cameras means multiple offences.

goldenretrievermum5 · 06/04/2024 00:26

SendMeHomeNow · 06/04/2024 00:12

So many people so angry about the speed and how dangerous it is. You know Germany don’t have speed limits on lots of their motorways and a very similar rate of road deaths. It doesn’t sound like you were driving dangerously to me OP.

OP wasn’t in Germany, she was in the UK so this is irrelevant. The law is the law. UK motorway infrastructure is not built for excessive speed, nor are drivers properly accustomed to it. Leave the 85mph for the autobahn

whynotwhatknot · 06/04/2024 00:19

im a bit confused by nothhing lit up-why does it need to be lit up? you were doing 85 its over speed limit

SendMeHomeNow · 06/04/2024 00:12

So many people so angry about the speed and how dangerous it is. You know Germany don’t have speed limits on lots of their motorways and a very similar rate of road deaths. It doesn’t sound like you were driving dangerously to me OP.

goldenretrievermum5 · 06/04/2024 00:12

Wishiwascrafty · 05/04/2024 23:39

The number of sanctimonious twats on this thread is staggering. OP I really hope you weren’t caught.

Apologies, some of us find purposefully speeding and putting other road users at risk bothersome. Shall try harder to be a bit more selfish and go full Lewis Hamilton mode next time I’m on the motorway, who cares about those pesky laws or speed cameras.

Wishiwascrafty · 05/04/2024 23:39

The number of sanctimonious twats on this thread is staggering. OP I really hope you weren’t caught.

PepsiMaxx0 · 05/04/2024 23:09

toni6994 · 05/04/2024 21:51

I know exactly what stretch of road you’re talking about, they’re definitely speed cameras. You learn exactly where they are when you live in Manchester because there’s loads in a few mile stretch 😂

Your excuse is poor and is never going to stand up in any legal capacity, your speeding was hardly going to get you home much faster was it. You’re up shit creek without a paddle if you’ve been caught doing 85 in a 50 zone

Suck it up and be grateful you’ve got away with 40 years of speeding thus far 🤷🏼‍♀️

It wasn't a 50mph zone. There were no speed limits set on the overhead gantrys at all. They were all completely blank.
PS yes I know I shouldn't have been doing more than 70.

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Densol · 05/04/2024 23:06

You'll hear within 14 days as that is when they must ensure you receive your notice (s) of prosecution, so not long to worry about the consequences