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PepsiMaxx0 · 04/04/2024 10:15

I have a clean driving license. Driving for over 40 years with no incidents. Like many others I sometimes go over the limit on motorways if I consider it safe to do so....
I was travelling back from Manchester airport on the m62 during the early hours of this morning. Almost empty motorway. Doing about 80mph average I would say. Occasionally crept to 85. I noticed a camera flash on the gantry. No limits were lit up. I assumed it was from the other side and carried on. Several miles later it did it again and yes for a 3rd time which is when I thought this is too much of a coincidence it must be me! I've just woken and have that sick feeling. The only defence I can offer is motorway was empty, it was between 4 - 5 am this happened and I do not think I was driving dangerously. I just wanted to get home to bed after a late night flight. What will be the penalty for this?

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BarbarasRhabarberBar · 07/04/2024 02:52

@WoodingtonMo the speedo comment isn't a myth. Each manufacturer has them out by a specific amount and it doesn't happen by accident. There was an article in fleet news many years ago that showed the actual speed vs the recorded speed on the speedometer but I can never find it.

"To ensure that they comply with the law and make sure that their speedometers are never showing less than true speed under any foreseeable circumstances, car manufacturers will normally deliberately calibrate their speedos to read ‘high’ by a certain amount." www.thecarexpert.co.uk/how-accurate-is-a-car-speedometer/#:~:text=A%20speedo%20must%20never%20show,of%20actual%20speed%20%2B%206.25mph.

haynes.com/en-gb/tips-tutorials/how-check-your-speedometer-accuracy

WoodingtonMo · 06/04/2024 22:45

Ilovemyshed · 04/04/2024 11:08

There is no defence here OP, you were speeding and may or may not have been caught. You may or may not be prosecuted.

Sit tight and wait and hope, and slow down.

I don't know ANYONE who hasn't broken a speed limit now and again so ignore the haters though

Also bear in mind that your speedo usually reads a little high on the actual speed you are doing by a couple of mph.

That’s a myth.

Bo1978 · 06/04/2024 22:41

PepsiMaxx0 · 06/04/2024 22:34

It wasn't quite like that....alot more to it and I'm not prepared to share personal info on here why I was desperate to get home.
I fully hold my hands up, I drove too fast, I broke the law, I will and deserve to be punished. Am I sorry? Yes. Will I be more careful in future? Yes. Do I regret the way I drove? Yes.

But you must know that none of that is justified? That regardless, you cannot speed and endanger others? No matter what the emergency at home was? You still have to obey the law to protect other road users?

PepsiMaxx0 · 06/04/2024 22:34

Bo1978 · 06/04/2024 22:12

This 😂 I cannot believe they used this to justify speeding 🤣

It wasn't quite like that....alot more to it and I'm not prepared to share personal info on here why I was desperate to get home.
I fully hold my hands up, I drove too fast, I broke the law, I will and deserve to be punished. Am I sorry? Yes. Will I be more careful in future? Yes. Do I regret the way I drove? Yes.

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CagneyAndLazy · 06/04/2024 22:31

Gettingonmygoat · 06/04/2024 15:31

I would love to say you will loose your license but you will get 9 points and i really hope your insurance goes through the roof.

She's not going to "loose" her license, or lose her licence either.

PepsiMaxx0 · 06/04/2024 22:30

Griff1963 · 06/04/2024 13:43

Did it flash in front of you, or from behind you?

Behind every time

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Bo1978 · 06/04/2024 22:12

WillJeSuis · 04/04/2024 10:28

It's ok, the speed limit only applies to people who don't want to get back to bed.

This 😂 I cannot believe they used this to justify speeding 🤣

Teateaandmoretea · 06/04/2024 16:25

MrsP1979 · 06/04/2024 16:01

  1. I never said he was a motoring solicitor, just a solicitor - lots of specialisms out there
  2. He didn’t advIse going to court, but to see a solicitor for advice
  3. The rest was information

I suppose it depends how concerned the OP is about the number of points and fines.

the OP asked for some advice on what people thought, that’s what I posted, just I asked someone who has years of experience with road traffic offences for his thoughts.

The OP is not obligated to take any advice posted, but considering the barrage of abuse she received I thought I would try and actually offer something worthwhile.

How she chooses to proceed is her choice, personally if u could avoid getting increased points I would.

You also said she needs to talk to a solicitor, if she gets 3 charges that is exactly what she needs to do.

The pedantry and argument picking on this site is really tedious.

MrsP1979 · 06/04/2024 16:01
  1. I never said he was a motoring solicitor, just a solicitor - lots of specialisms out there
  2. He didn’t advIse going to court, but to see a solicitor for advice
  3. The rest was information

I suppose it depends how concerned the OP is about the number of points and fines.

the OP asked for some advice on what people thought, that’s what I posted, just I asked someone who has years of experience with road traffic offences for his thoughts.

The OP is not obligated to take any advice posted, but considering the barrage of abuse she received I thought I would try and actually offer something worthwhile.

How she chooses to proceed is her choice, personally if u could avoid getting increased points I would.

Feelingleftoutagain · 06/04/2024 15:36

If you have been caught you will probably get a speed awareness course

Gettingonmygoat · 06/04/2024 15:31

I would love to say you will loose your license but you will get 9 points and i really hope your insurance goes through the roof.

NothingVenturedAndAllThat · 06/04/2024 15:00

'Like many others...'

I'm reminded of my nan. 'If your mates told you to jump off a cliff, would you do it?' Sorry, I don't have much sympathy for people who speed. Hopefully this will frighten you enough that you don't do it again if you're lucky enough not to lose it.

Ialwaystry · 06/04/2024 14:26

You will get offered a course for the first time, then possibly 6 points

CagneyAndLazy · 06/04/2024 14:26

MrsP1979 · 06/04/2024 10:45

My hubby is an ex prosecutor and current solicitor. He says once you get the notices (within 14 days) respond to them admitting your driver. Speak to a solicitor, you will need to pay fines, there is an argument as it’s one continuous journey the court can limit the offence to a single speeding offence.

worst case scenario - 3 separate fines and 9 penalty points. Fines will be based on your relevant weekly income, starting point it band a (50% of regular weekly income) minimum court accepts for weekly income is £120. Guilty plea gives you credit, which can be minimum fine plus costs for each offence.

his best advice if you get 3 letter is to speak to solicitor as you might get speed awareness for one, but then you have two others.

also use your local firm not an internet advertised saying specialist as they will take your eyes out.

we are all human and can make mistakes, don’t beat yourself up too much. No one was hurt and you will hopefully never do it again.

Edited

I'm staggered that a motoring solicitor would advise OP to go to court for 3 x minor exceeding posted limit offences.

If she currently has a clean licence and hasn't done an MAC (not SAC) in past 3 years, she's looking at worst case 1 x MAC and 2 x 3pts.

The banded fines ONLY come into it if you choose to go to court. Your DH must know that, surely?

And why would she choose to go to court in this case? Court would be highly unlikely to see her come out with a better result than the 2 x SP50s

The top motoring defence barrister AG Thompson who's mentioned earlier in the thread, would definitely not advise choosing court for this - he frequently posts advising against it in straightforward cases like this.

goldenretrievermum5 · 06/04/2024 14:07

Lavenderblue11 · 06/04/2024 13:39

That's a bit harsh, would you say that to her face or are you just a keyboard warrior? It's not as if she was driving through the streets at that speed. She will have learnt her lesson now, don't be mean.

In fairness somebody who continued to purposefully drive well over the limit when they already believed that they’d been flashed by a speed camera obviously didn’t learn their lesson the first time.

Griff1963 · 06/04/2024 13:43

Did it flash in front of you, or from behind you?

Lavenderblue11 · 06/04/2024 13:39

Seeline · 04/04/2024 10:23

Why on earth didn't you think the camera would be flashing you? You were consistently driving at 10-15 over the already high speed limit?! The speed limit applies at night. And when the motorway isn't busy.
Could you have reacted when some other idiot driving at what they thought wasn't a dangerous speed lost control of their vehicle?

I hope you do lose your licence.

That's a bit harsh, would you say that to her face or are you just a keyboard warrior? It's not as if she was driving through the streets at that speed. She will have learnt her lesson now, don't be mean.

RLA1 · 06/04/2024 13:24

The allowance would be 79. That's 70 plus 2 plus 10%
The camera was activated so technically you should expect to receive an NIP / Summons.

Again technically that's the same for each offence so expect 3 separate notifications.

I would take advice from a solicitor specialising in driving offences as technically you could ask the courts forgiveness and have the three consecutive instances considered as one continuous offence.

Take care though as you may fall fould if driving without due care and attention!!

Definitelynotem · 06/04/2024 12:31

People saying that OP deserves to lose her license are bonkers, yes speeding is illegal and the OP shouldn’t have done it but this is a one off offence on a quiet motorway ffs. I’m sure OP will pay the fine and learn the lesson but if everyone were to get a ban for a similar offence there’d be no one on the road.

Idideridest · 06/04/2024 12:01

MrsP1979 · 06/04/2024 10:45

My hubby is an ex prosecutor and current solicitor. He says once you get the notices (within 14 days) respond to them admitting your driver. Speak to a solicitor, you will need to pay fines, there is an argument as it’s one continuous journey the court can limit the offence to a single speeding offence.

worst case scenario - 3 separate fines and 9 penalty points. Fines will be based on your relevant weekly income, starting point it band a (50% of regular weekly income) minimum court accepts for weekly income is £120. Guilty plea gives you credit, which can be minimum fine plus costs for each offence.

his best advice if you get 3 letter is to speak to solicitor as you might get speed awareness for one, but then you have two others.

also use your local firm not an internet advertised saying specialist as they will take your eyes out.

we are all human and can make mistakes, don’t beat yourself up too much. No one was hurt and you will hopefully never do it again.

Edited

This should close the thread really. Excellent advice without the ridiculous hyperbole.

Honestly, the number of moving traffic offences you see on a daily basis would see half the bloody country in jail based on the reactions of some of you.

AnnieSnap · 06/04/2024 11:06

BrendaSmall · 05/04/2024 22:17

Exactly!
it’s a shame that it’s only a fine and lose their license, should be imprisonment as well
obv didn’t learn from the first camera, instead continued to drive over the speed limit and putting other lives at risk

They are average speed cameras 🙄

MrsP1979 · 06/04/2024 10:45

My hubby is an ex prosecutor and current solicitor. He says once you get the notices (within 14 days) respond to them admitting your driver. Speak to a solicitor, you will need to pay fines, there is an argument as it’s one continuous journey the court can limit the offence to a single speeding offence.

worst case scenario - 3 separate fines and 9 penalty points. Fines will be based on your relevant weekly income, starting point it band a (50% of regular weekly income) minimum court accepts for weekly income is £120. Guilty plea gives you credit, which can be minimum fine plus costs for each offence.

his best advice if you get 3 letter is to speak to solicitor as you might get speed awareness for one, but then you have two others.

also use your local firm not an internet advertised saying specialist as they will take your eyes out.

we are all human and can make mistakes, don’t beat yourself up too much. No one was hurt and you will hopefully never do it again.

TesticularHeft · 06/04/2024 09:35

@BobnLen I'm not sure what you're saying. I have read and reread the OP and her following posts. From what I see, and I am open to missing things, she does not mention a speed awareness course at all or being allowed to go on one as it is a first offence. The entire point of the post is to ask, and I quote "What will be the penalty for this?" So she has not received the NIP yet so would not know.

Manthide · 06/04/2024 08:48

Dh thought it was okay to do 34 miles an hour on a wide empty multi laned road in Cambridge early on a Sunday morning (didn't see a speed sign but assumed it was 40). It wasn't! Luckily we only had to pay £100 for a speed awareness course.

CormorantStrikesBack · 06/04/2024 07:36

I know,someone recently who passed a speed camera one way, turned ro7nd five miles up the road and got caught again by the same camera in the opposite direction. He wrote in once his fines comes through and they dropped it down to one offence as it was felt to be the same speeding rather than two separate offences. Might be worth a try.