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PepsiMaxx0 · 04/04/2024 10:15

I have a clean driving license. Driving for over 40 years with no incidents. Like many others I sometimes go over the limit on motorways if I consider it safe to do so....
I was travelling back from Manchester airport on the m62 during the early hours of this morning. Almost empty motorway. Doing about 80mph average I would say. Occasionally crept to 85. I noticed a camera flash on the gantry. No limits were lit up. I assumed it was from the other side and carried on. Several miles later it did it again and yes for a 3rd time which is when I thought this is too much of a coincidence it must be me! I've just woken and have that sick feeling. The only defence I can offer is motorway was empty, it was between 4 - 5 am this happened and I do not think I was driving dangerously. I just wanted to get home to bed after a late night flight. What will be the penalty for this?

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LlynTegid · 04/04/2024 10:43

Be contrite in court, be smartly dressed, apologise, note you have no previous offences (or have never been caught) in 40 years of driving. I doubt you will be banned, though I think you should be, the law and magistrates in my view are far too soft.

CagneyAndLazy · 04/04/2024 10:43

If you were caught 3 times, at the limit and speeds you've mentioned, and haven't done a motorway awareness course in recent years, you'll get 1 offer of a course and 2 x 3pts fixed penalties.

Forget about fine bandings and calculators - they only apply if you choose to go to court.

This is how it works:

To be terrified I'll lose my license
Iwasafool · 04/04/2024 10:42

PepsiMaxx0 · 04/04/2024 10:30

I know I have no legal defence....I should have slowed down at the first 1 and definitely at the 2nd. I was foolish but just wanted to get home. I'm not going to go into details but we had really bad news whilst away and tried to come home earlier but no available flights so I was pretty desperate to get home. I know this doesn't excuse it.
I think I was doing between 80 - 85 when they flashed.

No it isn't a defence. You shouldn't have decided it was OK to exceed the speed limit so "I should have slowed down at the first 1" doesn't really cut it.

One of my kids has lifelong issues due to someone who decided it was safe to do just what they wanted so I don't have any sympathy. I hope you've learned your lesson regardless of what happens now.

Hereyoume · 04/04/2024 10:41

If you were flashed three times, and assuming that you haven't done a speed awareness course in the last three years, you would be looking at the following.

If it's a variable speed limit camera, you may (depending on the force) be offered a Motorway Awarness Course instead of points for one of the offences.

If another of the offences were a regular overhead gantry, you would also qualify for a regular Speed Awarness Course instead of points. This offer is separate to, and not affected by, your attendance at a Motorway Awarness Course.

Any subsequent offences would incur three points and £100 fine.

So you may be lucky and "only" looking at three points, two courses, and around £300 in fines and costs.

If no Motorway Course is offered, then it will be six points, a Speed Awarness Course and around £300 in fines and costs. Obviously there will be a significant increase in your insurance premium for the next few years. If you drive for work then there may be issues with that employment as most organisations have a "clean licence" policy.

DistinguishedSocialCommentator · 04/04/2024 10:41

Adding to my original post

They will take weather into account, IE if it was pissing down with rain and you was doing those speeds, then I'm sure they will take a harder view

"Speeding" to get somewhere as you need to get there may result inn you not getting there at all and worse still potentially cause accident where others injured or worse.

what was the weather like?
You had previous points and if so what?
was your car road legal, ie taxed, mot, insurance, etc

what time of night

If there is a ban, it may just be for a few months but I'm guess 9 or 12 points and if 12, you will get an exception ie no ban this time if you prove you need your car and unable to work, look after someone IMO

Sprinkles211 · 04/04/2024 10:40

If any of it was set to the 50mph then you will definitely lose your licence

Seeline · 04/04/2024 10:38

'we'd had bad news on holiday '

So it wasn't just you in the car?

Sorry you had bad news, but again no excuse.

10storeylovesong · 04/04/2024 10:38

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FasterthanaButteredOtter · 04/04/2024 10:37

Like many others I sometimes go over the limit on motorways if I consider it safe to do so....

I believe the phrase is "fuck around and find out"

You took the risk to speed. You'll just have to see what comes in the post. I hope it's a lesson to you. Slow down.

DappledThings · 04/04/2024 10:37

PepsiMaxx0 · 04/04/2024 10:32

I think there was speed limit restrictions on the other carriageway the first time (set to 50) so I assumed it was a reflection. I didn't know cameras worked on smart motorways unless they were actively lit up with a lowered limit on.....

You thought speed cameras only work on motorways if there is a temporary speed limit bellow the normal 70? But if it's NSL as usual there are no cameras in use? Really?

Fedupmumofadultsons · 04/04/2024 10:37

PepsiMaxx0 · 04/04/2024 10:15

I have a clean driving license. Driving for over 40 years with no incidents. Like many others I sometimes go over the limit on motorways if I consider it safe to do so....
I was travelling back from Manchester airport on the m62 during the early hours of this morning. Almost empty motorway. Doing about 80mph average I would say. Occasionally crept to 85. I noticed a camera flash on the gantry. No limits were lit up. I assumed it was from the other side and carried on. Several miles later it did it again and yes for a 3rd time which is when I thought this is too much of a coincidence it must be me! I've just woken and have that sick feeling. The only defence I can offer is motorway was empty, it was between 4 - 5 am this happened and I do not think I was driving dangerously. I just wanted to get home to bed after a late night flight. What will be the penalty for this?

Sorry when you considered it safe to do so .?sorry speed kills I hope you get a ban clearly 3 times on one trip ..I have never once saw my hubby break the speed limit its there for a reason and so early in morning when you were probably tired makes it worse

Brendabigbaps · 04/04/2024 10:37

PepsiMaxx0 · 04/04/2024 10:30

I know I have no legal defence....I should have slowed down at the first 1 and definitely at the 2nd. I was foolish but just wanted to get home. I'm not going to go into details but we had really bad news whilst away and tried to come home earlier but no available flights so I was pretty desperate to get home. I know this doesn't excuse it.
I think I was doing between 80 - 85 when they flashed.

You have no defence FULL STOP

im not sure how any if your excuses make it any better, they only make it worse! You’ll have been tired from a night flight and you had bad news so were no doubt stressed out and distracted!

maybe just take your punishment and be grateful you weren’t the cause of bad news for other people who may have been on holiday

beetr00 · 04/04/2024 10:36

of any help @PepsiMaxx0?

www.webuyanycar.com/guides/car-ownership/speed-fine-calculator/

PepsiMaxx0 · 04/04/2024 10:32

OnlyFannys · 04/04/2024 10:29

I noticed a camera flash on the gantry. No limits were lit up. I assumed it was from the other side and carried on.

On this bit, what do you mean by no limits were up so you assumed it was the other side? If no limits are up it is still national speed limit so I don't know why you would have assumed it was the other side if you knew you were speeding? Nit having a dig, I'm just wondering if there is some urban myth I don't know about. But yes unfortunately the m62 has absolutely loads of cameras so it may be a few have got you

I think there was speed limit restrictions on the other carriageway the first time (set to 50) so I assumed it was a reflection. I didn't know cameras worked on smart motorways unless they were actively lit up with a lowered limit on.....

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wineymummy · 04/04/2024 10:32

I believe though that if you do get 3 x letters, you can choose to go to court, you can argue that all three cameras caught the same offence and the judge may choose to give you less points.

MeMyCatsAndMyBooks · 04/04/2024 10:30

Maximum is 9 points, however if you were caught 3 times you could get a big fine and they could consider taking your licence.

Speeding kills, it doesn't matter if you wanted to get back to bed. One mistake and you could of killed someone. Selfish selfish selfish!

PepsiMaxx0 · 04/04/2024 10:30

I know I have no legal defence....I should have slowed down at the first 1 and definitely at the 2nd. I was foolish but just wanted to get home. I'm not going to go into details but we had really bad news whilst away and tried to come home earlier but no available flights so I was pretty desperate to get home. I know this doesn't excuse it.
I think I was doing between 80 - 85 when they flashed.

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OnlyFannys · 04/04/2024 10:29

I noticed a camera flash on the gantry. No limits were lit up. I assumed it was from the other side and carried on.

On this bit, what do you mean by no limits were up so you assumed it was the other side? If no limits are up it is still national speed limit so I don't know why you would have assumed it was the other side if you knew you were speeding? Nit having a dig, I'm just wondering if there is some urban myth I don't know about. But yes unfortunately the m62 has absolutely loads of cameras so it may be a few have got you

LBOCS2 · 04/04/2024 10:28

If no limits are lit up, it means that the national speed limit of 70mph applies, not that there's no limit.

You were consistently speeding. I'm not sure what you were expecting to happen when you went past cameras?

wineymummy · 04/04/2024 10:28

Not saying it was OK OP, but as PP says, sometimes when it's dark it feels like you're being flashed when it's actually just a bright light shining through the gantry/bridges from the side of the road. Happened to me on the A1 at Christmas. I was confused, I'd only been doing 70 so didn't think it could have been a camera, then noticed it happening again and again. So you may be OK. Next time, don't speed.

WillJeSuis · 04/04/2024 10:28

It's ok, the speed limit only applies to people who don't want to get back to bed.

GasPanic · 04/04/2024 10:28

Oh yes - and if you are terrified at the prospect of losing your license probably best not to drive over the speed limit.

Duh · 04/04/2024 10:25

Like many others I sometimes go over the limit on motorways if I consider it safe to do so....

There’s a difference between your speed sometimes creeping up and you noticing and correcting it and wilfully disregarding speed limits which is what you did.

DSD9472 · 04/04/2024 10:25

squashyhat · 04/04/2024 10:21

Why didn't you slow down the first time you got flashed?

This ^

DistinguishedSocialCommentator · 04/04/2024 10:24

Mrsttcno1 · 04/04/2024 10:19

You do realise that’s not a defence don’t you? The law is the law, it’s not the just a recommendation dependent on whether YOU believe it’s safe to do so.

If you were going 85 in a 70 and were caughty numerous times it’s unlikely you’ll be offered an awareness course as being 15mph over IS dangerous driving, so points, fine & a ban potentially.

Totally agree

Point but doubt it will be a ban.

Most people would slow down after one flash.

Speed limits are there for a reason

When I was younger and foolish, I often drove faster than I should.

From the age of late 20's, even before the 20mph limits, I had driven lot slower in side streets and built up areas

What many fail to understand that the 'speed limit' is the LIMIT, the MAX and you can be done for driving within the limit but booked for careless/dangerous driving if conditions are poor and the speed limit is not safe at the time.

I've seen people come down side streets in their usual clownish style ie breaking last second at junction as often they have no intention of stopping, but with wet roads, snow the clowns then cause an accident on the main road they slip into. That is careless, dangerous driving.

You will get points if it is as you say and you have no outstanding points