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PepsiMaxx0 · 04/04/2024 10:15

I have a clean driving license. Driving for over 40 years with no incidents. Like many others I sometimes go over the limit on motorways if I consider it safe to do so....
I was travelling back from Manchester airport on the m62 during the early hours of this morning. Almost empty motorway. Doing about 80mph average I would say. Occasionally crept to 85. I noticed a camera flash on the gantry. No limits were lit up. I assumed it was from the other side and carried on. Several miles later it did it again and yes for a 3rd time which is when I thought this is too much of a coincidence it must be me! I've just woken and have that sick feeling. The only defence I can offer is motorway was empty, it was between 4 - 5 am this happened and I do not think I was driving dangerously. I just wanted to get home to bed after a late night flight. What will be the penalty for this?

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JosieJones1987 · 04/04/2024 13:51

carpetmedoen · 04/04/2024 13:49

I'm sorry but you have no excuse -bad news or not
Always remember last summer reading about a pregnant woman who died when she was in the car with her sons and nephew
And an idiot speeding hit her.....

Or the awful crash where the young woman was killed after the Range Rover power onto train tracks

Shade17 · 04/04/2024 13:50

EnglishBluebell · 04/04/2024 13:17

I'm sorry but it's very likely you'll lose your licence if you were flashed 3 separate times. Maximum is 9 points and you get 3 points per flash but I think there's some rule about over 80mph but I could be wrong. I know my colleague lost her licence for 12 months as she got caught once doing 90mph on the M1

Assuming what the OP told us is correct that there weren’t reduced limits in place and she currently has a clean license then there is ZERO chance that she’s getting a ban. Stop talking shite.

Itsaloadofbollocksbut · 04/04/2024 13:50

Iwasafool · 04/04/2024 13:47

Don't the odds change as the speed goes up?

From about 40mph up, not really.

carpetmedoen · 04/04/2024 13:49

I'm sorry but you have no excuse -bad news or not
Always remember last summer reading about a pregnant woman who died when she was in the car with her sons and nephew
And an idiot speeding hit her.....

Iwasafool · 04/04/2024 13:47

AllyCart · 04/04/2024 13:40

She could have killed someone doing 70mph. Or 60mph. Or 40mph...

Don't the odds change as the speed goes up?

CagneyAndLazy · 04/04/2024 13:43

BobnLen · 04/04/2024 13:22

Are people making it up as they go along

Undoubtedly.

Few MN threads attract such uneducated nonsense as a motoring themed one.

LoveSandbanks · 04/04/2024 13:40

GasPanic · 04/04/2024 10:23

Its hard to say whether you will get fined or not. For example they might set the camera to flash only between 75 and 85 mph to give a warning. And only issue a fine if it is over 85 mph. Or they may only fine when the limits are displayed, but the cameras will still flash anyway. So you will just have to wait and see.

I have a rule never to go through those motorway gantry cameras more than 10 mph over the limit (either the full limit or what is displayed). So far I have never been fined.

If you are getting flashed it is at the very minimum a warning. So you should slow down.

80 going through a no limit gantry cam, I would be surprised if you got fined. When you take into account your speedo is also probably reading over. 85 I think is probably starting to get into the territory where it is a possibility.

At the end of the day you will just have to wait and see.

Some years ago I was driving at 80 on the motorway. I saw the car on the bridge but thought “speedo overreacting, plus a bit of generosity from the police I’ll be fine”. I wasn’t, they registered a speed of 79 and the cut off was 78. I had a clean license and was offered the speed awareness course. Almost never speed now, it doesn’t actually buy you a significant amount of time, is harder work for your brain and uses much more fuel.

AllyCart · 04/04/2024 13:40

Pointshopgirl · 04/04/2024 13:36

You are not entitled to break the law and drive dangerously fast just because you wanted to get home.
You could have killed someone. Hopefully you will be punished.

She could have killed someone doing 70mph. Or 60mph. Or 40mph...

Pointshopgirl · 04/04/2024 13:36

You are not entitled to break the law and drive dangerously fast just because you wanted to get home.
You could have killed someone. Hopefully you will be punished.

Iwasafool · 04/04/2024 13:34

C1N1C · 04/04/2024 13:07

Maybe someone could confirm for me... I heard a rumour that you won't get multiple tickets for successive cameras. So if you pass one at 85 and it flashes, the next one doesn't count as it's the same stretch of road.

Maybe different forces have different policies, all I know is a colleague got two tickets within minutes of each other on the same stretch of road. He paid and took the points, don't know if he could have fought it in court.

Jaxhog · 04/04/2024 13:32

PS. He didn't lose his license.

Iwasafool · 04/04/2024 13:32

GasPanic · 04/04/2024 13:23

I think most people just want to outsource their thinking to someone else. It's easy to parrot the line than it is to question and assess for yourself - many people either can't or won't do that.

It always strikes me as strange as how the government is seen to get it so right on matters of things like road safety, which we are not supposed to question because going over the limit might be "unsafe". And get it so wrong on things like the performance of the NHS, which we are supposedly allowed to.

I think the 70 mph limit is pretty arbitrary. It came in in the 60s and hasn't really been revised since. I suspect there is a lot of statistical backing for why limits in general are necessary, but much less so for why it should be 65, 70, 75 or even 80 mph limit on motorways. Car safety has changed a lot over the years. ABS brakes, crash testing and airbags. Cars are much stronger and more stable. Roads are probably better surfaced and more well lit, and we are better at identifying accident blackspots and dealing with them.

OTOH the numbers of cars on the road have increased considerably and the reaction times and experience of people on the roads has probably changed. We probably see higher temperatures, so more rain and less snow and ice/melt transistions which to me are very dangerous.

Sometimes I see the government making good and significant changes that will impact road safety in what I believe is a positive way. Sometimes I see obvious stuff that they could do that I believe would make a good impact, but for whatever reason they won't or can't. And then I see other stuff like smart motorways that just seems like a recipe for disaster. The key takeaway for me is that their performance on this varies, pretty much like with everything else.

This bit is hilarious Roads are probably better surfaced Roads were in better condition in the 60s.

SBHon · 04/04/2024 13:31

For me it’s less the speed and more the absolute lack of awareness of your surroundings that is worrying.

Jaxhog · 04/04/2024 13:26

GasPanic · 04/04/2024 10:28

Oh yes - and if you are terrified at the prospect of losing your license probably best not to drive over the speed limit.

This.

A friend of my DH got flashed 3 times on a journey on the M25, and got 9 points. Hopefully, you'll be lucky, but take this as a warning.

AllyCart · 04/04/2024 13:26

EnglishBluebell · 04/04/2024 13:17

I'm sorry but it's very likely you'll lose your licence if you were flashed 3 separate times. Maximum is 9 points and you get 3 points per flash but I think there's some rule about over 80mph but I could be wrong. I know my colleague lost her licence for 12 months as she got caught once doing 90mph on the M1

I'm sorry but this is all wrong.

Maximum is 12 points, not 9.

80mph has no relevance.

Your colleague didn't get banned for being caught once doing 90mph, unless there was a non-70mph limit in force.

LostFuse · 04/04/2024 13:25

In theory, a driver with a previously clean licence could be caught several times the same day and as a result be at risk of disqualification under the totting-up system. If you are caught speeding several times on the same journey and accept a fixed penalty for each, you could be at risk of a penalty points disqualification (totting-up). It can happen more easily than you might think, for example where several speed cameras are placed on the same road or motorway.
However, where offences are deemed to have been committed “on the same occasion”, the Court has discretion to impose only the one set of points for two or more offences. Whether or not offences will be treated as committed on the same occasion is a matter of fact for the Court to decide. They need not have been committed simultaneously, but they must be linked in some way.

GasPanic · 04/04/2024 13:23

Jovacknockowitch · 04/04/2024 13:05

Things I learned from this thread -
We have adopted the US spelling of licence
Most MNers think that going 1mph over the limit is dangerous and being 1mph below is automatically safe.

I think most people just want to outsource their thinking to someone else. It's easy to parrot the line than it is to question and assess for yourself - many people either can't or won't do that.

It always strikes me as strange as how the government is seen to get it so right on matters of things like road safety, which we are not supposed to question because going over the limit might be "unsafe". And get it so wrong on things like the performance of the NHS, which we are supposedly allowed to.

I think the 70 mph limit is pretty arbitrary. It came in in the 60s and hasn't really been revised since. I suspect there is a lot of statistical backing for why limits in general are necessary, but much less so for why it should be 65, 70, 75 or even 80 mph limit on motorways. Car safety has changed a lot over the years. ABS brakes, crash testing and airbags. Cars are much stronger and more stable. Roads are probably better surfaced and more well lit, and we are better at identifying accident blackspots and dealing with them.

OTOH the numbers of cars on the road have increased considerably and the reaction times and experience of people on the roads has probably changed. We probably see higher temperatures, so more rain and less snow and ice/melt transistions which to me are very dangerous.

Sometimes I see the government making good and significant changes that will impact road safety in what I believe is a positive way. Sometimes I see obvious stuff that they could do that I believe would make a good impact, but for whatever reason they won't or can't. And then I see other stuff like smart motorways that just seems like a recipe for disaster. The key takeaway for me is that their performance on this varies, pretty much like with everything else.

SecretSoul · 04/04/2024 13:23

EnglishBluebell · 04/04/2024 13:17

I'm sorry but it's very likely you'll lose your licence if you were flashed 3 separate times. Maximum is 9 points and you get 3 points per flash but I think there's some rule about over 80mph but I could be wrong. I know my colleague lost her licence for 12 months as she got caught once doing 90mph on the M1

You don’t lose your licence for doing 90mph on the motorway unless you’ve got previous convictions/points.

It’s still 3 points per offence over 80mph until you reach 100mph when they can hand out an automatic ban for a single offence.

OP is likely to get 6-9 points max.

BobnLen · 04/04/2024 13:22

Are people making it up as they go along

EnglishBluebell · 04/04/2024 13:17

I'm sorry but it's very likely you'll lose your licence if you were flashed 3 separate times. Maximum is 9 points and you get 3 points per flash but I think there's some rule about over 80mph but I could be wrong. I know my colleague lost her licence for 12 months as she got caught once doing 90mph on the M1

Jovacknockowitch · 04/04/2024 13:12

kitsuneghost · 04/04/2024 13:08

To be fair, she wasn't caught doing 71mph
If she was I am sure even mumsnet would emphatically say she would get no action taken.

We don't even know if she was caught - 85 on her speedo could well turn out to be mid 70s in reality as 99% of car and motorbike speedos are optimistic.

Jovacknockowitch · 04/04/2024 13:10

kitsuneghost · 04/04/2024 13:06

Speeding at that time in the morning is extremely dangerous
Remember it's not just about you
Other road users may be tired, lorries in a rush to get where they are going before rush hour and coupled with the expectation of no other traffic can easily cause collisions

What a load of twaddle. "Lorries in a rush" - it's a motorway and lorries are speed limited to 90KPH (or less in some cases). Most of them set cruise at their max and sit there at that speed, no matter the time of day or night.

kitsuneghost · 04/04/2024 13:08

Jovacknockowitch · 04/04/2024 13:05

Things I learned from this thread -
We have adopted the US spelling of licence
Most MNers think that going 1mph over the limit is dangerous and being 1mph below is automatically safe.

To be fair, she wasn't caught doing 71mph
If she was I am sure even mumsnet would emphatically say she would get no action taken.

BobnLen · 04/04/2024 13:07

hangingonfordearlife1 · 04/04/2024 13:02

if you have 3 at the same time you could be looking at a ban definitely.

And how would that be under totting up if you have no previous points and they are 3 point offences, maximum is 9 points from 3 offences, probably 6 and a course. Please tell how this results in a ban.

C1N1C · 04/04/2024 13:07

Maybe someone could confirm for me... I heard a rumour that you won't get multiple tickets for successive cameras. So if you pass one at 85 and it flashes, the next one doesn't count as it's the same stretch of road.