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PepsiMaxx0 · 04/04/2024 10:15

I have a clean driving license. Driving for over 40 years with no incidents. Like many others I sometimes go over the limit on motorways if I consider it safe to do so....
I was travelling back from Manchester airport on the m62 during the early hours of this morning. Almost empty motorway. Doing about 80mph average I would say. Occasionally crept to 85. I noticed a camera flash on the gantry. No limits were lit up. I assumed it was from the other side and carried on. Several miles later it did it again and yes for a 3rd time which is when I thought this is too much of a coincidence it must be me! I've just woken and have that sick feeling. The only defence I can offer is motorway was empty, it was between 4 - 5 am this happened and I do not think I was driving dangerously. I just wanted to get home to bed after a late night flight. What will be the penalty for this?

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Dery · 04/04/2024 16:51

@PepsiMaxx0 - sorry about your bad news. You know this was a mistake which could potentially have had very serious consequences. The UK’s roads are amongst the safest in the world and I think the speed limit is part of that. But you can’t put back time and you didn’t have an accident on this occasion.

Many moons ago, we had a Ford Focus which cruised very comfortably at 80. I was sometimes fairly horrified if driving on an empty road (and therefore without other drivers as a measure) when I realised how my speed had crept up. I’m very careful now and keep a close eye on my speed.

You will likely face points and hopefully a speed awareness course. You may be able to argue that it was the same offence.

Try not to worry, OP. Just make sure you learn from this and don’t speed again.

GoingJacobsandRitz · 04/04/2024 16:51

You were speeding and the cameras went off, you may be lucky and they were resetting (I've had it happen to me before and had 2 weeks of stress even though I wasn't speeding!) but equally you deserve to have had them go off.

goldenretrievermum5 · 04/04/2024 16:51

Jovacknockowitch · 04/04/2024 16:49

How does speed cause these accidents exactly?

Reduction in reaction time

Jovacknockowitch · 04/04/2024 16:49

MustBeNapTime · 04/04/2024 16:45

I don't know the recent stats, but I would say at least 50% of the accidents on the M62, especially the section between J22 and J24 are a result of speed. There is an accident on that section virtually every day.

How does speed cause these accidents exactly?

SoupDragon · 04/04/2024 16:49

BloodyAdultDC · 04/04/2024 16:39

According to Brake around half of deaths on UK roads in 2021/2022 were to do with exceeding speed limits or inappropriate speed for the road conditions -

Isn't that 25%? 388 out of 1538?

Jovacknockowitch · 04/04/2024 16:48

goldenretrievermum5 · 04/04/2024 16:38

Who or what is this source for your allegedly truthful and reliable information? The law is the law and limits are limits - they can legally prosecute for 1mph over.

They could but they don't.

SofiaSoFar · 04/04/2024 16:48

Andrew Thompson. One of the top motoring law barristers in this country.

He has also offered to pay the fine himself for anyone who can prove they were prosecuted for a few mph over the posted limit (ignoring the current '20 limit everywhere' debacle for a moment).

That offer has been posted on motoring forums for years and yet no one has ever come forward with proof, because it doesn't happen.

And anyone talking about "band" anything fines for 1mph over the limit deserves a contemptuous response.

MustBeNapTime · 04/04/2024 16:45

Shade17 · 04/04/2024 16:25

The number of times I’ve been stuck on the M62 because of a crash where some dickhead thought it was ok to speed.

And you know speed was a factor in all of these? Nearly 90% of all accidents have nothing to do with speed.

I don't know the recent stats, but I would say at least 50% of the accidents on the M62, especially the section between J22 and J24 are a result of speed. There is an accident on that section virtually every day.

BloodyAdultDC · 04/04/2024 16:39

Shade17 · 04/04/2024 16:25

The number of times I’ve been stuck on the M62 because of a crash where some dickhead thought it was ok to speed.

And you know speed was a factor in all of these? Nearly 90% of all accidents have nothing to do with speed.

According to Brake around half of deaths on UK roads in 2021/2022 were to do with exceeding speed limits or inappropriate speed for the road conditions -

To be terrified I'll lose my license
MustBeNapTime · 04/04/2024 16:38

Nobodyknowsitall5 · 04/04/2024 15:36

Some posters need to seriously take a chill pill and get off their high horses.

I assume you have never lost a loved one to a driver who thought the speed limit didn't apply to them because the road was dry / safe / quiet / straight and they knew better, otherwise you would never be so flippant.

goldenretrievermum5 · 04/04/2024 16:38

SofiaSoFar · 04/04/2024 16:22

No one is getting anything for 1mph over a 70mph limit, in fact ANY limit. If anyone can prove that has ever happened to them I'll refund them the fine, because it definitely hasn't happened.

And "3 points and and A fine" for it isn't even worthy of explaining just how wrong that is.

There is no other subject that draws out as much misguided nonsense as a speeding thread seems to.

Who or what is this source for your allegedly truthful and reliable information? The law is the law and limits are limits - they can legally prosecute for 1mph over.

CatamaranViper · 04/04/2024 16:33

Everyone does something wrong at least a few times when they drive. Sometimes wilfully, sometimes by accident.
Looking at phones, being generally distracted, driving in the middle/outside lane when not necessary, tailgating, manoeuvring without checking all mirrors/signalling, passing too close to someone, not having 100% clear vision...
Shit happens. You'll learn from this how scary it can be when taking that chance doesn't go to plan. You won't forget how worried you are right now. Clearly you're a good person as it's bothering you.

Shade17 · 04/04/2024 16:25

The number of times I’ve been stuck on the M62 because of a crash where some dickhead thought it was ok to speed.

And you know speed was a factor in all of these? Nearly 90% of all accidents have nothing to do with speed.

Dontcallmescarface · 04/04/2024 16:25

Nobodyknowsitall5 · 04/04/2024 15:36

Some posters need to seriously take a chill pill and get off their high horses.

The person that caused my extensive facial scars was speeding when he crashed into the car I was a passenger in. I was a child at the time. Had he not been speeding I most likely wouldn't have spent 2 weeks in ITU and not have a brain injury. As far as I am concerned anyone caught speeding deserves to have the book thrown at them.

SofiaSoFar · 04/04/2024 16:22

happydappy2 · 04/04/2024 15:36

To anyone suggesting the rule is 10% of the speed limit plus 3 -that is not true. You can get penalised doing 1 mile over the speed limit.(3 points and a band A fine.) The offer of a speed awareness course is a bit of a gamble, not every area offers it, so you could be unlucky and be given points.

No one is getting anything for 1mph over a 70mph limit, in fact ANY limit. If anyone can prove that has ever happened to them I'll refund them the fine, because it definitely hasn't happened.

And "3 points and and A fine" for it isn't even worthy of explaining just how wrong that is.

There is no other subject that draws out as much misguided nonsense as a speeding thread seems to.

Tessisme · 04/04/2024 16:10

Nobodyknowsitall5 · 04/04/2024 15:36

Some posters need to seriously take a chill pill and get off their high horses.

I think some posters need to take a chill pill too. The ones compelled to get from A to B at breakneck speed.

AllThePotatoesAreSinging · 04/04/2024 15:58

The number of times I’ve been stuck on the M62 because of a crash where some dickhead thought it was ok to speed. You don’t get to decide whether it’s safe to speed. The speed limits are there for a reason. Hopefully you get a bunch of points and learn your lesson. If you get a ban then great, roads are safer for the rest of us. If not, hopefully the threat of being fined/banned etc has got through to you and you stop driving dangerously. I doubt you will though. People like you, who regularly ignore speed limits, tend to continue to do so until they kill someone.

kitsuneghost · 04/04/2024 15:47

Iaskedyouthrice · 04/04/2024 14:45

The results of accidents on an empty motorway can be catastrophic. I live very close to one. During lockdown a driver was speeding with his daughter and clipped a crash cushion that he was going too fast to see. They both died in horrific circumstances. The young man sat in that rig will be affected for life by what he witnessed. Please don't think because the motorway is empty its safer. Animals can still run in front of you. The faster you are going the easier it is to lose control. Barriers are to protect other drivers. Ploughing into one at speed is fatal.

I noticed during lockdown there were so many people driving like they thought they were the only ones on the road.
pulling out and moving lanes without looking
Getting REALLY annoyed at getting caught behind someone doing the speed limit like speeding was their little bit of daily fun.

viques · 04/04/2024 15:47

Itsaloadofbollocksbut · 04/04/2024 11:20

Bollocks. I probably average 80+ on motorways and in 30 years have never had points, an accident or killed anyone.

I generally drive late at night when there is no other fucker on the road. Average 25000 miles a year.

You sound just like my stepfather from hell, who was a terrible driver but thought he was the bees knees. He was on a similar boasty rant like that when my 12 year old nephew piped up saying “Just as well most of the other road users do know how to drive then isn’t it?” It’s the same herd immunity argument anti vaxxers use ( but different! ) it’s largely the good drivers who are keeping the bad drivers safe.

Nobodyknowsitall5 · 04/04/2024 15:36

Some posters need to seriously take a chill pill and get off their high horses.

happydappy2 · 04/04/2024 15:36

To anyone suggesting the rule is 10% of the speed limit plus 3 -that is not true. You can get penalised doing 1 mile over the speed limit.(3 points and a band A fine.) The offer of a speed awareness course is a bit of a gamble, not every area offers it, so you could be unlucky and be given points.

ConsistentlyElectrifiedElves · 04/04/2024 15:36

Someone else might have shared this link already - sorry - too many replies to read!

https://www.richardsilver.co.uk/news/caught-speeding-twice-or-more-on-the-same-journey-how-many-penalty-points-will-you-get/

I'd often wondered about this because if you're caught be consecutive cameras then technically you're only really speeding once, so it would seem unfair to be punished for the number of cameras.

This article suggests there might be some sense behind that theory, but, if it happens, you might need to take it to court to argue that case.

Of course, as PP's have said, don't speed, don't get caught and as you've acknowledged, there is no reasonable excuse in your case.

You may, however, be able to convince them that it's one speeding offense not two (or three). If so, then it's likely to be £100 and 3 penalty points.

If you have to take it to court for them to combine multiple offenses, then I doubt you'd be offered a speed awareness course (which is a shame, as I think you could really benefit from one!!)

Caught speeding twice or more on the same journey? How many penalty points will you get? - Richard Silver - Solicitors

What happens if you are caught speeding twice or more in a single journey, perhaps within a few minutes of each other? Will you get more than one set of penalty points? Could this result in disqualification? This is a question we are often asked by cli...

https://www.richardsilver.co.uk/news/caught-speeding-twice-or-more-on-the-same-journey-how-many-penalty-points-will-you-get

AccountantMum · 04/04/2024 15:31

I highly doubt you will get a ban - even if you got 3 tickets if you paid them they would likely be 3 points however I also doubt you will get 3 lots of 3 points

PepsiMaxx0 · 04/04/2024 15:30

I appreciate all the answers, wasn't expecting so many. I know I deserve the nasty posts too. The car is leased so it will probably take longer to come through the post. It's less than a year old and fully maintained and very easy to go too fast (yes I know I should have set cruise control)
There were definitely no speed restrictions (like 50mph that I ignored). No yellow cameras. The motorway just had the odd convoy of lorries and the odd car. It didn't feel dangerous at all the speed I was going. Obviously I know that doesn't make it ok. I have learnt my lesson.

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ShowOfHands · 04/04/2024 15:19

https://www.emcins.com/losscontrol/insights-d/2020/08/speed-increases-risk/

"In practical terms, increasing driving speed from 60 mph to 80 mph increases the risk of a fatal crash by 4 times"

"Driving at 80 miles per hour on a road where traffic is moving at 70 increases your chances of a crash by 31%, a crash with an injury by 49 percent, and a fatality by 71%"

Speed: How It Increases the Risk of Car Crash Injuries | EMC

For every 10 mph of increased speed, the risk of dying in a crash doubles.

https://www.emcins.com/losscontrol/insights-d/2020/08/speed-increases-risk