Council tax very unfair to single people

These children which people have will be paying YOUR state pension one day. In a society, we subsidise each other. You might find yourself sick and unable to work one day, I guess you will make sure you don't claim a penny more than you have paid in, Saint Singleton.

Nor if you have children or fly but... 🤷🏽‍♀️
I would say my footprint is smaller given I don't fly or have children and live in an apartment

Because young people make the economy go round (as I’ve explained in more detail above) and we don’t like importing them in this country.

We can make having kids more and more expensive by heaping the entire cost on parents, from childcare to schooling but the ultimate end to that is only the very rich affording to have kids or generations of abandoned, uneducated children.

Not only would this be morally abhorrent, it would also lead to a bankrupt country. We could import young workers from elsewhere (if we could get rid of the racist right, at least) but why would they choose to come here, a country that doesn’t make provisions for families and children?

We all pay tax for stuff we don’t use. I used to live in a flat where I paid for bin collections from my service charge - still paid the bin part of CT. I am lucky enough not to (currently) need social care or SEND provision, but I still pay for it.

That’s what society’s do - and not through some altruistic kindness, but because it’s necessary for everyone to contribute to enable functioning systems that benefit the whole.

This seems to have moved somewhat off topic but I wouldn't say single people living alone are necessarily great for the planet. Each person living alone in a property takes up more land than adults living together. Adults living together will share energy, for lighting their property, cooking a meal ect. You can't claim to be massively planet conscious if you hoard resources.

Well I do think social care should be funded through income tax so that would be each adult paying. That would reduce the council tax dramatically.

@Blossomtoes, you'll be pleased to know that populations across Asia (China, Japan, Korea) are falling through declining birthrates thanks to better education and work opportunities for women. Almost all the EU countries' birthrates are below replacement rate.

Perhaps there should be an additional 25% added for each adult when there are more than 2 adults living in a property in that case

The children pay tax when they are adults, they are separate people.

Because they pay the same rate of tax as people with children. Single people are essentially subsidising parents. It’s pretty obvious. Why would be subsidise procreation? We don’t need more people, we live on an overcrowded planet.

No, I don’t think they are unfairly taxed and I didn’t say that. I’m saying that we are incentivised to couple up and have kids. Think of it as a discount for procreation.

In what ways are single people unfairly taxed?

And just how do you plan to do that? Don’t forget, we’re also going to have a shock as more jobs get done by computers / AI so our income tax system crumbles. Of course there are too many people in the world, and another way to make sure the older generation are looked after would be to move some people from overpopulated areas like Africa and Asia to the UK, but that’s not a very popular policy these days.

I know it isn't, but did you really want me to list every single thing and give examples or did you get the jist?

Police, fire, mayoral office, social care, elderly etc.. your area will have different charges depending on where you live so I can't possibly guess what you're paying for but everyone has bins!

Very argumentative...

How would that be fair? The highest earners are far more likely to have private provision for care, and assets available to sell to fund it.

We pay tax for services some of us may never use - but that’s how society functions.

I can’t see how moving adult social care (and why only adult? What about children’s social care and SEND?) to general taxation would be any fairer.

That's why I've said the system needs changing. The world doesn't need more people, our country might but there are other countries that are seriously over populated

We only have this society constructed for us to allow this many people to muddle along together. It doesn't have to be this way.

And as you siad it yourself it's weighted in favour of couples or families so you admit it then that single people are unfairly taxed.

What do you think your final salary pension is invested in? Only in the products of your work? Or in companies that are profitable and project growth because of a workforce made up of other people’s children.

This is not something limited to state pensions, paid for from income taxes of the next generation.

The reason so many of our taxation and societal systems are weighted in favour of couples is to encourage people to have kids. Society fails if there are no kids - not just the tax pot, everything. One of the simplest ways to boost economic growth is increased population - a larger, younger work force.

It’s why even the Tories are looking at how to make childcare more affordable - they don’t give a shit about helping families, they give a shit about the research that shows the affordability childcare is a top reason British families don’t have as many kids. Because fewer British kids means a weaker British economy (importing the young workers from elsewhere notwithstanding).

Ditto. And the Welsh government who own the bus service are reducing, cancelling routes. It's all here down to living in a retirement area heavy social services burden and low density housing. They've bought electric bin wagons which can't cover the distances needed so have been moth balled.

Fo u get free dental care in Wales? Or do u pay an amount each month that entitles u to this?

As for comment we need more children being born, nonwe don't. There is too many people than resources on this planet. What we need is to change the system so the generation below aren't needed to pay for older people

I read about the millions some university cities are missing out on. Know students bring revenue, but not fair that rest of population make up for it. Also the costs vary throughout the country. It seems that in areas where there is a higher concentration of lower band properties, there seems to be higher charges than in areas where there are more higher band properties. I suppose revenue needs to come from.somewhere. Better than.poll tax i suppose but this not much of a recommendation 😞

It's a completely broken tax system and young people are hit the hardest.
Don't move to Wales though we have some of the highest council tax anywhere. I pay £350 a month for bugger all

Would not be surprised if there is a re evolution of bands

I live alone too. The tax is 50 percent property and 50.personal based on 2 people, hence a 25 percent discount if one person living there. Still have to pay for all the services I use such as bin etc so understand it in a way. My sister is in a 3 bedroom property band A I in a 2 bed band B. Both in same town. Mine is based on cake when bought it 24 years ago . As her's is a rented council house, I'm wondering if because it has never been sold, it has been.put in band A.

Exactly the same situation I was in. Lived alone in a small new build 2 bed flat worth 80k I was band C. Moved into a 2 bed terraced house worth 150k and was band B.

Agreed.

We also get higher rates here as we live in a city that has lots of students who don’t pay it. Also doesn’t seem fair! It should be a fair tax across the country.