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Council tax very unfair to single people

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Lettuceandtomatoes · 02/04/2024 19:08

The council tax for my area is £1800 full whack, a single person 25% off. I pay £140 a month which is ok until I realised the three adults next door are paying £60 pounds each and a couple paying £90 each. So why this inequality aimed at single people, picking up the tab?

OP posts:
Isleoftights · 02/04/2024 21:30

It's not about size, it's about value (at a date in the past). My 3 bedroom house is band B.

Your flat (as every property ( is valued at what it was worth in 1991 (or, if it has been built since, what it would have been worth , had it existed in 1991). The original idea was that EVERY propery would be periodically revalued, it hasn't happened ! But, it needs to.

carbon60 · 02/04/2024 21:27

Believe me you do not want a return to the poll tax.

Spywoman · 02/04/2024 21:25

Everyone wants someone else to pay more tax and them to pay less. Funnily enough they all want access to all public services.

fost · 02/04/2024 21:24

EmmaEmerald · 02/04/2024 19:25

I think it should be per person.

I am one person in a tiny one bed using one person's worth of resources.

though if I was in a bigger property, would I being using more resources? I don't think so.

I also think a small flat should be band B but apparently it's 300sq ft bedsits that are band B, so the type where you put the bed away.

It's not about size, it's about value (at a date in the past). My 3 bedroom house is band B.

Isleoftights · 02/04/2024 21:23

Question ! Council tax is based on what properties were (or would have been worth, had they existed) in 1991. Many properties have, of course, been built since that date. How does a local council vaulation dept. determine, what a house built in 2024 (with features unimaginable in 1991, eg. EV charger, socal panels etc). would, have been worth, had it existed in 1991 ?

iwafs · 02/04/2024 21:23

calligraphee · 02/04/2024 20:29

Erm, what?

Council services are really vital. Yes the government have cut things back so far that services are now very poor (thank you Tories) but surely you understand that social care, school transport, road repairs, bin collections, recycling, planning administration, street cleaning, housing, libraries etc etc etc are all worthwhile.

What on earth would your town be like if the council just disappeared?

Well:

Roads full of potholes - only "repairs" are useless new bus lanes so that council can get mega grant of £50m from govt or wherever. Bus lanes are great in some places. But these are to get money. Not to actually help transport.

Social care. No. Well my FIL lived like an animal with the council telling him to basically go fuck himself.

Bin collections - infrequent and you have to pay again for garden waste. Recycling chucked on the street, the stupid open boxes get cracked and smashed as they are thrown. Mini recycling place in council car park was constantly overflowing as not emptied enough. So council say we abused it by overflowing it and removed it entirely. WTF.

Library in my town - closed then moved to tiny premises. Library site being sold for housing. Shit.

Street cleaning - well I pick up the dog shit and litter near my house myself.

We pay thousands in council tax for a load of shite. The council are robbers.

Sweetheart7 · 02/04/2024 21:21

The issue is the way CT is worked out. Plenty of single people will be paying vastly different amounts based upon postcode!

Snead808 · 02/04/2024 21:21

Soontobe60 · 02/04/2024 19:12

What if the single person has an income of £100k, the couple a joint income of £75k and the 3 adults an income of 50K?

This is so irrelevant. Council tax isn't means tested and OP is right, single people get massively stung by council tax (as well as several other expenses!)

Papyrophile · 02/04/2024 21:20

AgnesX · 02/04/2024 19:10

Have more people live in your place....it's the property that attracts the tax not the person.

There are two routes to council tax; per property or per capita. Just for clarification, when one Margaret Thatcher tried to introduce a per capita tax,, the whole country complained. Neverthless, it remains the only possible solution. If you are an adult, you should pay your whack for the services provided by you local council.

Whattheflipflap · 02/04/2024 21:16

Isn’t it split so half is for your house and half is for the people in the house.
you pay the same amount for your house and you get a reduction for having less people

calligraphee · 02/04/2024 21:14

Lifeinlists · 02/04/2024 21:03

I'm not sure the £100 million IT cock up at BCC can be blamed on the Tories - and I'm no Tory.

I agree that councils have been starved of funds from central government for years and that's a large part of the problem. But some of the councillors are a joke but know they'll always be voted in - on a 25% turnout.
Others are great, work hard and usually move on to better jobs elsewhere thus leaving a shallower talent pool.

How would you reform Council tax? (genuine question).

Re. reforming, taxation should be progressive. Therefore it should be more accurately linked to house/land value. With big additional levies for second homes, holiday homes.

If councillors repeatedly get elected despite being poor at their role, that is a matter for the electorate.

Samlewis96 · 02/04/2024 21:13

NameChangedAgainn · 02/04/2024 20:03

I think a 25% discount is fair. Council tax covers some things that don't change no matter how many people are in a property - street lighting, pavement and road maintenance and cleaning, bin collection to name a few. The discount recognises that a one adult household will typically use less of some services.
Council tax pays for a lot of things that are for the good of everyone too, such as schools, should those of us without children request a child free discount to remove the percentage that goes towards schools? And ask parents (some of whom will be single parents) to make up the difference? No that would be ridiculous.

What got me is when I lived in a private close We had our own street lights , management company maintained the roads entry gates etc. we put our bins at the entrance for binmen to collect.

However we had no council tax discount despite not having full services ( which we were paying the management company as well)

rwalker · 02/04/2024 21:10

peloton2024 · 02/04/2024 19:12

What difference does that make?
2 people in a 1 bed flat pay 50% each
1 person in a 1 bed flat pays 75%

And how does that work out if 6 people live there

Brefugee · 02/04/2024 21:08

have not RTFT. IIRC council tax covers things like rubbish collections and simple maintenance, street lighting etc?

so really it's not that single households are being penalised, but that multiple occupancy houses share the economies of scale?

Houseplanter · 02/04/2024 21:07

Badgerandfox227 · 02/04/2024 21:06

I really think council tax should be based on adults over 25 in the property. Fairer to single people, but also reflects the extra costs for households where there are several adults present.

What extra costs would they be?

DdraigGoch · 02/04/2024 21:06

CranfordScones · 02/04/2024 19:24

It's one of those taxes for which absolutely everyone considers they pay more than the value of the services they receive - which clearly isn't the case.

Everything needs funding whether you personally use it or not - those things are essential for a decent, functioning society.

It's not levied on a per-person basis, so YABU.

Well, they're right in a sense. The bulk of it goes onto things like social care which (although necessary) are very expensive to provide and only a minority will be in receipt of.

Namenamchange · 02/04/2024 21:06

Dacadactyl · 02/04/2024 19:21

Council tax support is a thing for people on benefits.

It’s really rude and assumptive to jump to the conclusion that a single person is on benefits! Quite disgusting really.

Badgerandfox227 · 02/04/2024 21:06

I really think council tax should be based on adults over 25 in the property. Fairer to single people, but also reflects the extra costs for households where there are several adults present.

Taxidriverinfront · 02/04/2024 21:05

My council tax is £320 a month so I’d happily swap!

isitbananatimealready · 02/04/2024 21:04

They tried a different way of doing things some years ago, when Thatcher was in charge.

So perhaps look up the Poll Tax and see how well that went. 😂

Lifeinlists · 02/04/2024 21:03

calligraphee · 02/04/2024 20:52

Many councils are struggling all over the country.

Yes the Tories are painting it as council mismanagement in B'ham - and presumably some will be that - but the direct settlement from the government has been reduced so much.

Does the current situation with council funding mean that democratically elected local councils should be scrapped and remove all public services altogether? No.

I've supported CTax reform ever since it was introduced - it is not progressive enough IMO - but the answer is not the even more regressive poll tax.

I'm not sure the £100 million IT cock up at BCC can be blamed on the Tories - and I'm no Tory.

I agree that councils have been starved of funds from central government for years and that's a large part of the problem. But some of the councillors are a joke but know they'll always be voted in - on a 25% turnout.
Others are great, work hard and usually move on to better jobs elsewhere thus leaving a shallower talent pool.

How would you reform Council tax? (genuine question).

calligraphee · 02/04/2024 21:00

Do you have stats to back that up?
Think the answer to this might be 'no'

haveyoutriedturningitoffandonagain · 02/04/2024 20:57

Lettuceandtomatoes · 02/04/2024 20:54

But 4 by far increases the risk

Do you have stats to back that up?

But if we're going down that route then I'd argue a property with a single person living in it is potentially more at risk of crime - more chance of it being empty in the day.

Lettuceandtomatoes · 02/04/2024 20:54

haveyoutriedturningitoffandonagain · 02/04/2024 20:53

They only have one house between them to catch fire.

But 4 by far increases the risk

OP posts:
calligraphee · 02/04/2024 20:54

Lettuceandtomatoes · 02/04/2024 20:52

We’re you actually around then? Everyone should be responsible for themselves, why on earth not?

Edited

The arguments against poll tax are well-rehearsed, it was regressive.

I'm not sure you understand it, tbh.

What do you mean 'was I around then'? I wasn't rioting if that is your question. I watched the riots on the TV.