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Council tax very unfair to single people

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Lettuceandtomatoes · 02/04/2024 19:08

The council tax for my area is £1800 full whack, a single person 25% off. I pay £140 a month which is ok until I realised the three adults next door are paying £60 pounds each and a couple paying £90 each. So why this inequality aimed at single people, picking up the tab?

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Lettuceandtomatoes · 02/04/2024 22:24

BillyNotQuiteNoMates · 02/04/2024 22:21

Many of the services you receive are the same as those received by a household with more adults, and others are scaled down -

  • police and fire services
  • leisure and recreation projects, such as maintaining parks and sports centres
  • libraries and education services
  • rubbish and waste collection and disposal
  • transport and highway services, including street lighting and cleaning, and road maintenance
  • environmental health and trading standards
  • administration and record-keeping, such as marriages, deaths and birth, and local elections
all services funded by council tax. Do you suggest that childless people should pay less because they do not use educational services? Or pedestrians because they don’t drive? Or what about the elderly who stay home at night? We all benefit, at some point from some, if not all of these services. If you are concerned that your neighbours accumulate more rubbish than you do, compare this to drinking wine in a bar. It’s cheaper per ml to drink a larger glass of wine, because the cost incurred is not just in the wine itself, but in the server pouring the wine, the waiter carrying it to the table, the person clearing the table and washing the glass, the electricity bill and the business rates etc etc. Similarly, the cost of the rubbish collection is not simply the volume of the rubbish itself, but the wages of the person who pulls the wheelie bin to the truck and returns it, the fuel in the vehicle etc etc.

I think we all knew that already. The post is purely concerning equality for all

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Alconleigh · 02/04/2024 22:23

It's all bollocks. My one bed flat is band d because basically anything built after the original bandings is band d 😒. £200 a month for a one bed flat and "helpful" suggestions on here to take on a lodger if you live in a big band d property. Not a clue.

BillyNotQuiteNoMates · 02/04/2024 22:21

Many of the services you receive are the same as those received by a household with more adults, and others are scaled down -

  • police and fire services
  • leisure and recreation projects, such as maintaining parks and sports centres
  • libraries and education services
  • rubbish and waste collection and disposal
  • transport and highway services, including street lighting and cleaning, and road maintenance
  • environmental health and trading standards
  • administration and record-keeping, such as marriages, deaths and birth, and local elections
all services funded by council tax. Do you suggest that childless people should pay less because they do not use educational services? Or pedestrians because they don’t drive? Or what about the elderly who stay home at night? We all benefit, at some point from some, if not all of these services. If you are concerned that your neighbours accumulate more rubbish than you do, compare this to drinking wine in a bar. It’s cheaper per ml to drink a larger glass of wine, because the cost incurred is not just in the wine itself, but in the server pouring the wine, the waiter carrying it to the table, the person clearing the table and washing the glass, the electricity bill and the business rates etc etc. Similarly, the cost of the rubbish collection is not simply the volume of the rubbish itself, but the wages of the person who pulls the wheelie bin to the truck and returns it, the fuel in the vehicle etc etc.
BIossomtoes · 02/04/2024 22:20

Lettuceandtomatoes · 02/04/2024 19:20

The council tax isn’t just about bins!

It might as well be for us. Bins and roads are the only services we use.

Spectre8 · 02/04/2024 22:18

And it's not just tax it's the entire system. If a single person was suddenly made redundant which led to then losing their home they are out on the streets because they are at the bottom of the bottomless waiting list for housing.

There is no extra help or support. Families get help with childcare, housing, tax allowances etc.

Single people has zero safety net and as per usual the response is well shack up with someone or get a lodger from those privileged enough to have met someone they want to be with.

Lettuceandtomatoes · 02/04/2024 22:17

waitingforautumn · 02/04/2024 22:16

I was backing your point!

Thank you 👍

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Dbank · 02/04/2024 22:16

They tried a fairer "per person" tax, aka the poll tax, unfortunately mob rule meant it was abolished.

waitingforautumn · 02/04/2024 22:16

Lettuceandtomatoes · 02/04/2024 22:02

Nice for some

I was backing your point!

youveturnedupwelldone · 02/04/2024 22:14

Totally agree. Single people are disadvantaged the tax system generally.

I'm a high earner, if I said my salary and that I'm struggling a bit I'd get flamed on here. But if my gross income was split between two people eg £35+£35k my household would have more than £500 more a month more take home because of two personal allowances, plus full child benefit on top tax free. It's not fair.

CranfordScones · 02/04/2024 22:13

It's very difficult to make it a per-person tax (and we all know the recent history of that - or if you don't, ask your parents).

Properties are much easier to record and track than people, especially in areas with more transitory populations. Those areas tend to be poorer - and would be subject to the highest rates of evasion.

As a tax, it is means tested to an extent - people in more valuable properties pay more, and those on low incomes get relief.

The big problem is that most people resent paying it. That wouldn't change with any other mode of taxation. And it wouldn't change the fact that the services we all complain about need adequate funding.

WildBear · 02/04/2024 22:13

Lettuceandtomatoes · 02/04/2024 22:05

How on earth do you know my circumstances?

I've just checked and I wasn't even saying this to you!!

justasking111 · 02/04/2024 22:13

You stay in a hotel, your room bill is not halved. You still use the bed, bathroom which all need cleaning. It's a bit like that I always think

Spectre8 · 02/04/2024 22:12

Here is why I hate it. My recent council tax letter showed that the majority goes on adult social care at 75%.

Council tax is £170 pm

House A has 2 working adults theyv
pay £170pm or £85per person per month

House B has single working person paying £127.50 with discount

So let's say everything like bin, fire etc is covered by 25% since we know 75% goes on adult care.

This means

House A breaks down to £42.5 (21.25 per person) for bins etc and £127.50 (62.5 per person) for adult care

House B breaks down to £31.85 for bins etc and £95.62 for adult care

Both Houses get old and need adult care

House A Both adults get care but on per person basis have paid less for the same service where House B has paid more and gets the same adult care.

So yes for me in my council area a single person is screwed over and paying more for the same service! Now this example is where the majority of council tax is spent on adult social care so it could differ in other councils.

WildBear · 02/04/2024 22:11

PersephonePomegranate23 · 02/04/2024 22:06

You could always get a job? Or your partner-don't wish to presume there!

Edited

I won't get into our specific circumstances but we'd rather have a parent at home with our young children and we have enough money to live to a decent standard. But yes, I get your point - we do have a choice to bring in more money if we wanted to reduce our outgoings per adult.

Lettuceandtomatoes · 02/04/2024 22:08

WildBear · 02/04/2024 22:07

Because you said "society has not got OUR backs" after mentioning single people. Calm your tits love.

I didn’t say that. You are confused

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BettyBardMacDonald · 02/04/2024 22:08

MsFaversham · 02/04/2024 19:09

YANBU. Single people get stung financially in almost every way.

You can say that again. So, so tiresome.

WildBear · 02/04/2024 22:07

Lettuceandtomatoes · 02/04/2024 22:05

How on earth do you know my circumstances?

Because you said "society has not got OUR backs" after mentioning single people. Calm your tits love.

FloMoJo · 02/04/2024 22:06

Why not scrap the whole thing, increase tax at the 100k+ and add more bandings above that and share the proceeds locally according to levels of need. Job done.

BOOTS52PollyPrissyPants · 02/04/2024 22:06

It does seem unfair and it is the same for single people trying to rent or buy a property as so much harder to get on the property ladder. Thank god that people here in Ireland resisted and marched against the water charges or we would have yet another huge bill here.

PersephonePomegranate23 · 02/04/2024 22:06

WildBear · 02/04/2024 22:04

Plenty of families with only one earner, they are paying more than you as they are supporting 2 adults and multiple children on one wage! Yes, this is me, so don't feel too hard done by.

You could always get a job? Or your partner-don't wish to presume there!

Lettuceandtomatoes · 02/04/2024 22:05

WildBear · 02/04/2024 22:04

Plenty of families with only one earner, they are paying more than you as they are supporting 2 adults and multiple children on one wage! Yes, this is me, so don't feel too hard done by.

How on earth do you know my circumstances?

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Robertplantgoddess · 02/04/2024 22:05

Lettuceandtomatoes · 02/04/2024 19:41

Every adult should be responsible for themselves. The poll tax was fair

So 4 adults earning 20grand each should pay 4 times the amount of 1 person earning 200,000 a year?
And there wasnt a discount for students- i was one at the time.

Houseplanter · 02/04/2024 22:04

Hesma · 02/04/2024 22:01

Your household is still having the bins emptied as often as theirs, the street lights benefit you as much as them etc etc… your receiving 100% if the benefit so be grateful you only pay 75%. Are you saying we should try to bring back poll tax??? We all know how that went.

This with bells on @Lettuceandtomatoes

WildBear · 02/04/2024 22:04

waitingforautumn · 02/04/2024 22:01

Life is hard for single people. Council tax, bills, renting (let alone buying). Weddings, holidays abroad, eating out, weekends... society has not got our back!

Plenty of families with only one earner, they are paying more than you as they are supporting 2 adults and multiple children on one wage! Yes, this is me, so don't feel too hard done by.

Lettuceandtomatoes · 02/04/2024 22:02

waitingforautumn · 02/04/2024 22:01

Life is hard for single people. Council tax, bills, renting (let alone buying). Weddings, holidays abroad, eating out, weekends... society has not got our back!

Nice for some

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