Botox, frozen faces and big lips

@TotteringonGently haha. I honestly think it looks so painful, swollen lips and shiny frozen faces. I guess I'd get used to it but I'm glad I live in a very in-surgery ish area.

Totally agree OP. A lot of women just look the same now - varying levels of Kardashian.

Have you watched price of perfection on channel 4? (or itv??) I find it absolutely baffling. People getting filler like it's as normal as a hairwash.

I live in the Essex borders, come out our way sometimes and gasp!

It’s not an unsolicited comment though is it, it’s not about you. It’s an opinion on a public forum.

Sounds like you need some therapy if you’re recoiling in horror at other people’s appearances.

As someone who has Botox and fillers I can assure you it’s not painful whatsoever.

We don’t need or care for your unsolicited comments.

It’s not anti women to not like the look of a frozen face. I hate it on me. This is a public forum, it’s more anti women to say we can’t have our own opinions.

Some folk are being a bit rude, however expressing that you don't like a particular look isn't necessarily being bitchy or judgemental. It just means you don't like it, it doesn't mean you think any less (or more) of the person!

@honeylulu I suspect some people are going to cheaper places, where the staff are perhaps not medically qualified or trained to the same standard as where you had your treatment.

It’s always the same. Most posters on mumsnet pretend to be feminists when really they’re anti-men AND anti-women.
If they are as happy in themselves as they say they are, they wouldn’t feel the need to put down other women so frequently.

@PutASpellOnYou I agree. A race towards external youth isn't for me. I want to feel good and move well. I guess that's where I put my efforts. it's still no guarantee - illness and ill health can strike anyone at any time. But I'm doing all I can in that department.

It doesn't appeal to me, but if others want to pretend they don't grow older it's up to them.
I'm 55 and more than happy with how l look, you need to feel good inside, no good butchering your face if you haven't addressed your inner self.

Im not saying no older women look good! They do and can. Just that I’m yet to see an older woman who looks better than when she was young and line free etc.

I disagree. I think some women DO look better as they age. They might grow in confidence, and into their faces and features which perhaps they found less appealing when younger. I'm 58 and perfectly happy with the way I look. I think I look comparatively better than i did at 21 in many ways. i definitely look after myself better. I may not be everyone's cup of tea, but I'm content. And that's all the really matters to me.

I do struggle with the pressure my daughter's generation must be under to change their faces. Thankfully she doesnt seem interested. i hope it stays that way!

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Everyone who gets botox/filler seems to say it's subtle and no one notices.

EVERYONE notices. But you're not going to call someone out when they're pretending to "never touch botox" as it's quite rude, particularly if someone's insecure with their looks.

Exactly.

I have a colleague who thinks her lip filler is invisible. It’s very obvious and has really distorted her mouth.

I think the opposite - I think most people who get tweakments think you “can’t tell” unless you have a ridiculous amount. However, in fact small amounts are obvious.

Personally I think surgery is better for being invisible, if done well, than Botox and fillers.

Everyone who gets botox/filler seems to say it's subtle and no one notices.

EVERYONE notices. But you're not going to call someone out when they're pretending to "never touch botox" as it's quite rude, particularly if someone's insecure with their looks.

IMO you look at celebs like the Jenners, Kardashian, models like Emily Ratakowski and in photos they look amazing with all that work done - then in videos/unedited they just look bizarre. People are trying to emulate them I think

Absolutely!

I'm nearly 50 and recently had a set of tweakments as my birthday present to myself (not had anything like this before). I'm really pleased. I don't look fake or frozen or have a different face - I look like a more rested and refreshed version of myself which is what I wanted. I had got fed up with looking in the mirror and seeing such a tired looking face.

I had forehead botox and my frown furrows have gone so I no longer look permanently cross/scowling and the cheek filler has slightly lifted my baggy lower face. My husband admitted he was worried I would come back with a "big round love island face" and is relieved I still look like me but a "perked up version".

I also had some polyneuclitides under the eyes (that area looks a bit dark and hollow these days) but this is a course of treatments and will take about 3 months to show the effect so I can't report back on that yet.

It is expensive though, I was surprised how much seeing how many people on a seemingly low income have it. I'm a senior lawyer and can afford it but I still thought HOW much???

As a dentist I am seeing more and more young patients with lip fillers and cheek filler, well fillers wherever you can have them.
Some have had so much filler they are grotesque comic versions of their former ( often very pretty selves). Large lips look very wrong on a small face.
Botox on a young face is pointless. If you have no wrinkles it won’t prevent them since it it’s sun damage not smiling or grimacing that cause them.
Fillers in an old lip that has lost volume is ok as long as you don’t over do it or try to increase the volume to get rind of the vertical wrinkles around the lip. And Botox, when done well can help around the eyes.

I recently treated a patient who has had multiple fillers and “Turkey teeth”. She was unrecognisable from when I last saw her 4 years ago. I’m afraid my unbotoxed , unfilled highly expressive face will definitely given away my horror.

Again, expressing that something isn't to your taste isn't dwelling on it, nor is it being judgemental or bitchy, it's just having a view and taking the opportunity to share it.

Each to their own. My only concern is that some people get addicted to tweakments and their look becomes more and more extreme over time.

I haven't seen a thread every week, obviously I'm in the wrong quarters of MN

It looks ridiculous, especially the lips, some upper lips look like Donald Duck