Botox, frozen faces and big lips

Meryl Streep. Look no further.

I see the eyelashes mainly. Just huge eyelashes everywhere.

A source of amusement? You sound lovely.

I think most people with those huge lips look hideous, and who wants a frozen face?

In real life, botox/ lip filler / cheek filler just looks strange to me. These people don't look younger imo- just the same age but weird!

Completely agree. I think as humans we have evolved to be pretty good at judging others ages, to some extent subconsciously.

And I don’t think people who have these treatments fool people into thinking they look younger. They just look like a 45 year old (or whatever) who has chosen to spend a fair amount of money on a cosmetic procedure.

I think it looks awful or hilarious and is a source of amusement or shock for me and DH when we go out. You missed the fake tan, fake eyebrows, fake nails, fake eyelashes, BBLs and more. Where does the money come from it all adds up?? Does the COL not affect them. Roll on the next craze please…… how is duck puffy faces with scary eyebrows attractive I just don’t get it.

Yes ! The pound shop biracials with the lips and dark tan have been around a while and unfortunately there is no end in sight.

With Botox I think it’s more of the toupee fallacy, where we can only tell when it’s a bad one. Therefore, we might think all toupees (or in this case Botox) looks bad.

Well tattooed eyebrows aren't noticeable as tattooed. I've had mine done and they look incredibly natural and saves me from filling them in every morning because they were so pale

Not your face, why do you care?

It does hurt but I suppose much of what we subject ourselves in the name of vanity ranges from mild discomfort to shear agony, I’m thinking plucking eyebrows, through waxing to tummy tuck or breast augmentation or lift. I have had Botox, regularly used to have waxing, had a c section, thyroidectomy and most recently a therapeutic mammoplasty to cosmetically tidy up my boob while undergoing a lumpectomy. They all bloody hurt and most were done out of necessity rather than vanity.
Why do women feel the need to undergo painful procedures to “improve” their appearance.

I'm old. I have Botox in my forehead. It's pretty subtle but has evened out my eyebrows and I feel great with it. I've no interest in getting anything else. Can't bear the lips with filler and particularly don't like the tattooed eyebrows. I would imagine that the trend for the eyebrows will end soon and women will left with big caterpillars for some years to come

It looks ridiculous and it’s depressing, like women (and some men) have even replaced by zombies. The celebrities look equally as shit. I agree with what you’re saying 100% - when you look at old videos of famous people in the 90s everyone looked so much better for not having frozen faces and apple cheeks. And it’s a vicious cycle as everyone competes with everyone and keeps getting more and more. I don’t think it looks good on photos either - it’s like a blow up doll on instagram and I immediately won’t buy a product if some filler faced, duck lip is pushing it.

I literally have no interest in social media nor what anyone else looks like!

I think it's kind of interesting that people don't see the connection between media portrayal and plastic surgery.

Women are getting their lips plumped up because we are told that is more attractive.

It feels disingenuous to pretend otherwise. It's not a coincidence that suddenly everyone is having the same procedure.

Same with the popularity of Botox. We see the sociological effects of media. Aging is bad, youth is king.

In the 90's black women were often mocked for thier lips and behinds. Suddenly with the Kardashian's Brazilian butt lifts are a common procedure. Lip filler is common.

This is not happening in a vacuum. It reminds me of the Devil Wears Prada speech where Miranda explains that Andy is just as much a part of fashion culture as everyone else.

I think it’s the Instagram effect. The Botox/filler squinty eyed face looks good on selfies, angled and posed in just the right way these ladies can look stunning. However in real life it doesn’t translate well at all. Seeing some of these people in 3D the way their face moves and looks from all angles..it can look quite freakish. These woman have no idea how they really look as they just see a one dimensional still and flat version of themselves in the mirror or on the camera.

11/12 is the point that girls first start to objectify themselves, compare themselves to feminine ideals, and internalise misogyny.

Can you imagine being yourself and not hating your lips? Not thinking they need changing?

I have 1ml of filler in my lips, Botox and lash extensions and I do it because I feel better not to fit in with so called fashion! I really don't think what anyone does to their appearance is any one else's business! I have a credited advanced nurse practitioner do mine and I don't look false. Ps I'm over 40 so definitely not trying to keep up with the Jones's

You don't but I don't care what men do. I vividly remember being something like 11 and dabbling with makeup with a friend and hating the way my lips were in comparison to hers. This was the 90s and I had a pretty sheltered upbringing so my feelings were very much my own.

I can now change something that's bothered me forever so why wouldn't I have 🤷‍♀️

That's true but for me it's a payoff, it might not look totally natural in the same way a boob job might but I prefer it so I put up with it.

I'm not ashamed to admit to people I've had them, we got talking at work and someone was like you've not had them have you to me despite me having them and so I said yes I have.

I don’t know, I probably wouldn’t notice if another woman wore eyeliner but I do sometimes because it makes me feel like my eyes look nice. Same reason I’d get a nice fringe cut or some highlights in my hair. It makes me feel good.

If you do it so it's noticeable it's too much. If it's not noticeable why bother

I agree. Whatever you do people will judge so no point worrying about it. I couldn't give a rats ass if people dont like it, I do it for me and will continue to do so. I love botox.

There’s different kinds of work. Some is supposed to be preservative or preventative - to stop changes that ageing produces (and in doing so can distort the face in other ways) ; and some is intended to change an existing feature.

So there’s different kinds of not noticeable - there’s the looking noticeably great but the work isn’t obvious which is the holy grail that everyone’s chasing but few achieve; there’s having a nose job or lip fillers that didn’t actually change the feature at all so not really worth doing.

@LovelyLinseed that is overkill, it's so not painful! The needle is absolutely tiny.

Early 40’s, enough to make her feel good I guess but not so much to everyone else

I worked at a place with women in their early twenties who felt they had to do this to appeal. It is sad and the pressure on women to look an unattractive standard is just not healthy in any way. I don’t have an issue with surgery and treatments in general, but I do find it concerning how much pressure there is now to get it done.