Botox, frozen faces and big lips

Gosh yes the turkey teeth….. paying to ruin your natural teeth just sounds bonkers. The filed down original teeth remnants look scary. It must be excruciatingly painful too :(

What are you on about? But do you look better than you were young? Your sentence Makes no sense and then you’re saying you’re not asking for competition when you’re clearly comparing a younger version with an older version. Life is about different stages, each having its own merits. And then you’re referencing a man’s verdict on a woman’s attractiveness as if this was a defining thing in every woman’s life.

I was very attractive, if that’s something you place importance on, into my early fifties. I’ve found a real freedom in growing older and moving past a reliance on looks.

it’s women who are being diminished by believing that they are only worthy if they are physically conforming to porn star beauty standards.

I agree with you. It's a particular unnatural look that makes people look the same. There's a lovely fresh faced beauty that women have around 18-25 that sadly gets ruined by lip fillers etc imo but it's up to them! It will hopefully be a very dated look, very soon.

It's not just young women who are having aesthetic treatments. Both women and men have subtle treatments well into their ‘70s.

This is big business for respected practitioners.
I imagine this fashion for obvious ‘work’ won't last too long and the gentle approach will prevail.

I wonder if that's another reason extreme beauty trends have taken off. Losing weight is hard. Maintaining weight takes effort. Paying for treatments is easy.

That's so weird. I watched this show too and all I could think was how slim most people were then. It's shocking how much weight people in general have put on in the past 20 years.

How did you get the idea to have lip fillers, Botox and false eyelashes? Did it come to you in a dream?!

Yes it's very unattractive.. along with those huge false eyelashes, they look so heavy on the eyes.

What is wrong with a few lines? Grow old gracefully i say!

Laughing at people’s appearances isn’t having a ‘sense of humour’. It’s having insecurities so you feel the need to belittle and make-fun of others.

Bless you though. Fortunately I never experienced my parents laugh at me when I was young. Unlike some.

There's a whole sub-group of serious Botox fans who don't go for the daffy duck look and they look amazing. The only way I know is because they tell. My SIL is someone like this. She's been having Botox for around a decade, if you met her or saw a picture you'd never know. You could maybe detect if you spent a long time looking at pictures of her in her late 20s Vs late 30s.

Obviously can't post a bunch of pics of people I know but there's a youtuber called Tamara's timeless beauty - for an idea of Botox done well - done in the way it was intended to be done. She has a video my 16year Botox journey.

If I was brave enough I'd probably do it but I worry I'd be the person who would have a reaction and my face got stuck 🤣

I agree, OP. It’s beyond me why so many young women have lips that look like they are having some kind of painful allergic reaction. Recently was on a train opposite a woman ( early 40s?) who had had so many fillers etc she looked borderline ‘Bride of Wildenstein’. I struggled to tear my eyes away. It was like looking at a car crash. So Sad that she didn’t feel happy about her own face.

I think so much of the looking 'wrong' is that it's features you don't naturally have, stuck on your face.

I have got decent lips, but a bigger, pillow like bottom lip. I'd look properly weird if I made my top lip match.
Wearing mascara makes my eyes look bigger. Wearing thick false eyelashes doesn't. They make me look like I'm wearing false eyelashes.
I think Debbie Harry was absolutely stunning when she was in her 30s. If I were to stick her features on my face, I'd look very odd.

Years ago when I modeled my lips were considered an asset.

By today's standards I wonder if agencies would tell me I need filler. My lips aren't thin, but they aren't super plump.

Plastic surgery goes in trends. We have data to support this.

I wish women knew how beautiful they really are.

I agree. I’m seeing more and more girls/ladies (even quite old ladies) with ridiculously plumped up lips when they looked much better before. Plus all the super white perfect teeth look stupid and it’s terrible for young people to ruin their teeth as they’ll have to keep having work done on them for the rest of their lives.

I saw a clip of the first ever episode of Hollyoaks recently, it was a huge contrast to the show that is on TV nowadays. The girls all looked so natural, no fake anything. They looked lovely. It's actually very sad to jump forward (30 years!!) to see how much has changed. They look ridiculous now.

Leslie Ash was on TV this morning, and they showed some of her film work in Quadrophenia and also Men behaving badly, she was so naturally pretty and to see her this morning She really did not look good, looks like she’s overdone the Botox as well as the lips.

They all look like clones

I am lol. No different to parents laughing at me and my pals in the 80s, 90s when we thought we looked the business. We have a sense of humour unlike some.

LOL no he thinks it looks ugly, you def don’t know my DH.

I think it's now ingrained in young girls that they need to alter their faces. Duck billed platypus lips. Eyelashes they could trip over, thick khaki coloured makeup. They look like they could do with a good wash. Whatever happened to natural beauty.

Chances are he still wouldn't say no though.

Yea I don't get it either.
I also don't understand the craze of wearing sports leggings so tight you can literally see the shape of their anus.

@Caterguin you have a point about hatred of women's aging bodies.
From the witches of folklore and trials to today's delightful Daily Mail articles.
Time to lean away from all of that I think!

Thing is though it's not older people who do this to themselves to look younger, it's younger people wanting to fit in by making themselves all look the same. I don't mind saying I think it's gross, and ugly and I don't care that I'll be judged for being judgmental.

In terms of the people who do this to themselves, I'm not bothered by them. I just think they're not my tribe, in the same way that people who wear high heels and go to Wetherspoons aren't my tribe. It's the plastic surgeons and beauticians who profit from carrying out surgical procedures to "enhance" people's looks that I find abhorrent, and I think they should all retrain and get proper jobs that lift people up rather than prey on people's insecurities.

There, I've said it. 🫣

Thing is though, how does the rest of the body fare? My hands and neck would be a dead giveaway- especially if bits look different.

And general body- I'm slim and toned, but gravity and loss of oestrogen are doing quite horrible things to the skin. My thighs are fairly muscular, so no wobble. But grab the skin and it crepes. My hands are increasingly resembling my grandmother's, although I don't really notice until I put them next to my daughter's.

Why are we conditioned to hate women's bodies as they age? I know know youth connotes fertility, but does age connote 'none of your bullshit, twinkle testicles', so men need us to hate our bodies, so that they can dismiss us more easily.