Botox, frozen faces and big lips

They’re not saying that though. They’re saying artificially inflated lips look strange as they don’t look natural. Naturally full lips look fine.

Same. Must be confined to certain parts of the country? I’m not even rural, I live in London, albeit a yummy-mummy pocket of London. I sometimes see this look when I go into central London, but still it’s not as widespread as this thread suggests. I’m also not convinced it’s only a ‘UK thing’.

Natural looks so different to fake though. I am not white. I have thick lips as does my 19y daughter. It’s a world apart from the fake shiny plastic look created by lip filler.

The best way to 'win' with ageing is to accept it, there's no other realistic option. Keeping fit, eating well, good skincare, a flattering hair cut, clothes to suit your shape/colour. Trying to look too young is actually what ages people.

I do think having a frozen Botox face looks a bit scary but having wrinkles isn’t attractive to me either so I’ll be starting Botox soon. You can’t really win with aging.

Lip filler has become too popular that I now no longer like it, and I had it done two years ago!

It is grotesque and perfect example of toxic femininity in this country to file alongside diet culture.

Well we can't have that, can we? But what about the majority of women who aren't beautiful? The conventionally unattractive women? The old women? Is that OK? Because it either is or it isn't. And if it isn't ok and its sad, how naturally beautiful you have decided to judge them to be is surely irrelevant. Do you not see the irony in judging women for trying to enhance their appearance, whilst using the word beautiful to describe a select few?

Looks awful on SM too imo. They look almost like another species, as far removed as a neanderthal.

@Fairyliz well done for getting some high quality fat bashing into a totally unrelated thread.

I was critised for big lips, big eyebrows, curly hair and biggish bown eyes as a child. I never cared what anyone else said tbh but it makes me laugh that they're going for at least 3 of those now. People are never happy.

@biglipsdontcare , there's a difference between natural big lips and filler enhanced ones.
I have big lips too and was picked on at school for them.
If people make fun of your lips and your ethnicity that's a whole other level of ignorance.

Well clearly.
I thought it would cost much more than that to be treated by a qualified practitioner tbh.

Can I just point out while you're all slagging off big lips, that some of us are born with this as a feature of our ethnicity?

Do you have any idea what it's like to hear the same jibes you heard growing up repeated on a thread of adult women? "They don't seem to realise the symbolism behind the huge lips either. It's what porn stars do to look good on camera performing a certain act." Right. Glad to know that's how you fetishize a perfectly natural feature.

You don't like the big lips look? Well thanks. 💋🙄

I know two women with lip fillers. One has more subtle fillers but it is still immediately obvious as the lips still poke out unnaturally in profile. The other is a colleague and has massive filled lips and huge eyelashes. During Teams meetings I can't help but be distracted by her lips. They don't move naturally, resemble swollen sausages and look painful. My teen nieces get something done to their lips to give a bee stung look. IMO, none of these women are enhanced by these alterations.

Fully aware of the medical uses.
We are talking about injecting a neuro toxin into the face.
It changes your ability to show normal micro facial expressions in response to others and this affects the brain.
I also wonder how having a parent who can't show micro facial expressions affects child development?

I know a few people my age who have fillers and Botox.
I don't think it makes them look younger so not sure what the point of it is.

With regards to the long term effect of botox- that has been used since the 80s for children and adults with limb spasticity to relieve uncomfortable symptoms at much higher doses than you'd put in faces so yes, we do know its safe long term. Fillers is a much newer treatment on the other hand.

Yea you’re right, everything is chemicals but ‘everything’ doesn’t cost £50 a pop and is just a capitalist ploy to get women to feel insecure and not enough so they spend more money! 😫

I dont agree that everyone looked better in the 80s. I watched the film shirley valentine the other day and was shocked to find out that pauline collins was only 40 in that film. Dont get me wrong- she's lovely, but she looked way older and really quite frumpy in the way she was styled and dressed. Everyone I know who is that age now looks much younger and they haven't had loads of botox or fillers.

I also dont agree that you see frozen faces and huge lips everywhere. Yes, you might see some women like that but it's certainly not the norm unless you spend your life on certain instagram accounts. If it's not for you then dont do it, but this idea that life was idyllic in the 80s/90s is silly. Women were still objectified (page 3 - remember that?) and 90s fashion was "heroin chic" where the style was rail thin and looking like you'd been dragged through a hedge. There will ways been certain appearance trends - if you dont like them then dont follow them. But its not true that everyone follows these trends.

I was in Asda yesterday. Duck lips were de riguer as well as those Disney eyelashes.

It’s really scary. I teach up to 20 and the amount of them that have filler already plus so much Botox is scary. They look 40.

It’s so unappealing but I think people can’t win, especially in the public eye, you grow old gracefully and get picked apart, you get the stuff done you get picked apart. I do think the beauty is in the imperfections though, Stephanie Lange did a good video on this recently but with a silly title something like ‘ugly beautiful’.

I think they’ll have regrets at some point. They’ll need more and more Botox and filler as they get older. Looking more ridiculous each time. Even you think it’s subtle now, it won’t be in a few years when you have to pump more in.

Pete Burns springs to mind. He used to get mocked, but he nailed the look.

Few people have it where we live either, but as soon as we hit bigger cities it's more common.

Op in the words of Ned Stark - ´ everything before the word but is horse shit’

Just admit you hate Botox and judge those who have immovable faces and trout pouts 🤷🏻‍♀️