Botox, frozen faces and big lips

I k ow someone who has Botox and lip fillers but still filters all her Facebook photos. Sad to be so insecure. She is lovely looking.

So you’re only allowed to get it if you’re ugly?

Reminds me of this

Ah ok.

@KeinLiebeslied54321 I was talking about face creams and serums not Botox.

It's individual choice and perspective. In my early 40s I said I would never have a toxin injected into my face. Roll forward a few short years to 48 and I had Botox in forehead and 11 lines, and a small amount of lip filler.

I'm glad I waited as I believe at some level there must be a payback from weakening the facial muscles especially if you start doing it regularly from a young age. No Botox around eyes for that reason. I'd rather have a few expression lines than eye bags.

No filler other than lips. And only the least viscous one so it plumps up without the projection.

Last I would only let someone who has been to medical school inject my face. Obvs that means it expensive but it's safer and the result is better.

I've no plans to stop anytime soon but equally so glad I was a 90s kid....no self tan, no lashes, no false nails, no hair extensions....

The massive fake boobs craze went on a long time, that seems to have died down a bit. Its a shame when people take it too far. The lips, botox, fake teeth. People generally look better natural imo

You can’t really win with aging.

You can. It’s as simple as accepting that it’s a natural part of life’s process and refusing to worship at the altar of youth.

The younger generation opting for Botox/fillers etc often look like an older person trying to look more youthful! I’m thinking of one person in their mid 30’s who has had lots of procedures, including the very fake looking ‘Turkey teeth’, no movement in their face. I genuinely assumed that this person was at least a decade older!

I blame bratz dolls.

It looks very cheap and chavvy

While women's value to society is determined by our appearances this sort of procedure will never end.

I completely agree with you, OP. It makes me sad that so many people are prepared to undergo these comestic procedures that can have significant consequences if they go wrong.
A friend of mine used to use tanning injections that she bought online- she had no idea what they contained. Downright dangerous

I don't understand it at all. When I see someone with puffed up lips I just assume they spend a large part of their life on social media. - Living in a world where something so extreme seems normal.

I do think it's society's fault for basically criminalising aging and these poor young girls feeling they aren't good enough- maybe?!

I always wonder too what happens to the lip skin if / when you stop having the fillers? 😳😕

Botox and filler rarely reverses the ageing process though. People look the same age but weirder.

Yes, I don’t have any friends or family who do this where I live in London. My kids are at university in two different cities and none of their friends are remotely into fillers etc. I see it on trashy TV shows usually (my guilty pleasure with my daughter!).

I am in my fifties and like my wrinkles! Maybe that’s weird. I see them as signs of a life I have lived.

I can see the unlined beauty of my 19y girl and 21y son and think, now it’s your time to shine and be gorgeous!

I love nice clothes and wear lipstick on a night out and enjoy looking ‘good’. But that doesn’t mean I want to reverse the ageing process and look younger than my years. If I could wave a wand and get rid of my wrinkles, I would say no thanks.

Maybe it helps that I have never been stunning. Average looking all my life and I have never defined myself by my looks. I hope my kids end up the same.

You missed my point. I’m trying to say is it okay to comment on people’s appearance for any reason?
Is there a list of things we can comment on and those we can’t?
I have a family member with a facial disfigurement is it okay to comment negatively on that?

Yes, the lips look different themselves and also wrong on a face with features that don't match. Like silicone implants on a slim, small frame compared with naturally big boobs.

At the hairdresser I get my hair washed by a lovely sweet 18y old. She likes to chat. She has to give most of her meagre income to her mum with whom she lives. Her mum spends all her time with her new partner and ignores her. She has a partner who sounds borderline abusive but she is grateful for his attention. She feels very vulnerable to me and I want to give her a hug.

Anyway she uses sunbeds twice a week and has lip fillers now. She is absolutely gorgeous anyway and doesn’t need any of these things. It makes me sad. She clearly has self-esteem issues and doesn’t feel good enough. The sunbed thing esp makes me worry for her a lot.

These are not good trends.

@Yourhappinessisourhapinessvom just out of interest, why do you need help with your lines? Perhaps we, as in especially women, need to change the way we talk and allow the talk around our skin and bodies, as we go through life changes.

I'm a each to their own, I'm in Liverpool and cosmetic aesthetics have been popular for decades now. I've never thought that women's bodies should be in or out of fashion. But there'll always be various tribes, who go for a certain look.

It's also capitalism.
Get people hooked on something they need to keep buying -winner , sit back and watch the money roll in
Carbs, then WW and SW once you are overweight, gym subs,then injections to lose weight.
Botox, fillers etc
Eyebrows, lashes, nails, hair extensions
Vapes
Encouraging people to spend on all this stuff rather than spend money on decent food etc

Now, I must admit (not far off 40) I get a wee bit of Botox twice a year and had my lips done 3/4 years ago (with 0.5ml so tiny) but I do agree people can go too far.
One thing I have noticed recently is the big makeup brands using models on social media who have massive lip, cheek, chin & jaw fillers and a lot of Botox. I can recognise all these things but young girls, teens might not. And then they wonder why they don’t look like these girls. And then they want all these “improvements”

Exactly.

When it’s done well, it can look natural and enhances good features.

A good doctor will do this, just need to avoid the people who’ve gained the qualification in a day