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To be annoyed this mum took DS's phone

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burtonplanet · 28/03/2024 16:49

DS(13) slept over at friend's house, along with one other boy. After dinner, the mum took DS's and the other boy's phones. The friend is not allowed a phone, and the mum didn't want anyone on phones during the sleepover. We have strict controls and app limits on DS's phone, such that he wouldn't have been able to do anything on it after 9 pm anyway except text or call home. We tightly monitor everything he does on there and know the dangers of teens having phones, but we feel like we're on top of it. We live in the centre of a small city and he walks and takes the bus everywhere. We like to be in touch with him and see where he is on FindMy, and he also needs an app to get the bus, and a few apps for his hobby. He messages with friends a bit but isn't really on social media. AIBU to think this mum was out of order? I know it's her house her rules, and on the one hand it's not a big deal because DS wouldn't really have used it anyway, except to probably text us goodnight and say if he was having a good time. But it just feels really judgy and unnecessary. This is not the only mum I know who is very anti smartphone and it just feels a little over the top. Just because a kid has a phone doesn't mean he's going to be on it all hours looking at porn and bullying people on social media. Sometimes they are just useful tools. Because this friend (who is 14!) is not allowed a phone, he is not allowed to walk anywhere on his own and lacks a lot of the independence we feel like it's important for DS to have. We don't want to be helicopter parents! Tell me if I'm BU.

OP posts:
DinnaeFashYersel · 28/03/2024 18:22

Her house. Her rules.

mathanxiety · 28/03/2024 18:22

Rosestulips · 28/03/2024 18:08

So at 2am you’d be happy for someone else’s child to come and wake you up so they can text their parent if for any reason they were wanted to go home? How many children do you think would also be confident enough to do that?

Agree.

BeretRaspberry · 28/03/2024 18:22

LittleMissCantBeWrong1 · 28/03/2024 18:20

Ok here’s another scenario. Your daughter falls asleep first and her pals film her. They draw on her face or whatever, film themselves humiliating her when she can’t respond and doesn’t know it’s going on.

this isn’t going to happen in the playground or on the school bus.

you sound naive.

I’m not naive at all. Maybe my kids have decent friends. Not once have any of my kids’ friends behaved in such a way. I have 3 - one adult, one nearly adult and one 14 year old.

mathanxiety · 28/03/2024 18:22

CRE2024 · 28/03/2024 17:58

I always let parents know this rule and let their kids know when they arrive. But at 13 I would fully expect my child to message me to let me know that their phone was getting put away for the night. When I get the kids to put their phones in the box on the hall table, I also ask them if anyone wants to call home to say goodnight and make sure they know where the phones are if they need them.

So a nervous/ sick child who wants to go home in the wee small hours has to get up and find his or her way to the table in the hall to make the call? Perhaps in the dark? Perhaps there's a dog they have to walk past?

If a child of mine called home to say goodnight and mentioned the phone was going to be placed in a basket away from him or her, I'd ask to speak to the parent making this unreasonable request.

Rosestulips · 28/03/2024 18:21

Oneofthesurvivors · 28/03/2024 18:16

They'd have to wake me up to get out of the house anyway. If they are not confident enough to engage with me they shouldn't come over. What do you think used to happen before mobiles?

before mobiles I once stayed at a friends house and felt very unsafe. I would have liked to have been able to get hold of my parents. I laid awake all night and walked home as soon as it was light. I wouldn’t want my child feeling like that.

It’s overstepping the mark, assuming that you had given the parents of guests your phone number, I’d be calling you myself to say I’m bringing my child home if this happened

BeretRaspberry · 28/03/2024 18:20

CRE2024 · 28/03/2024 18:16

It's far more likely to happen in the privacy of a bedroom when children are getting changed than it is to happen on the school bus.

But they’d be in the bedroom as soon as they got home in a lot of cases! That’s what my kids did.

mikado1 · 28/03/2024 18:20

I'm with those who say her rules but she should have said it beforehand. I've recently written a digital policy for a children's sports club and this is one of the safeguarding rules - no phones overnight. Phones are a minefield if you start to think of the what ifs so easier to say none overnight.

If there were issues with your son's phone use at her house overnight, you might not be too happy with her so she's covering everyone. Those who are saying their child needs their phone overnight, what did we all do growing up when there were no phones? I was only allowed to trusted homes and if I needed my parents I had use of the house phone. My ds has no phone (12) and I just give a call to the mum if he's at a friend's. No problems, plenty of independence.

duckcalledbill · 28/03/2024 18:20

NinaPersson · 28/03/2024 18:02

I’d be peed off if someone took my daughters phone.

i like to know that I can contact her and vice versa, she has Asperger’s and I’ve collected her early when an issue has come up. And no, I don’t expect her to approach the parent.

it seems like a lot of you do not trust what your child is getting up to on their phones to be honest

Whilst I agree to a certain extent, she’d need to approach the parent at some point to say she’s leaving surely?

On a separate point, how did people cope before smart phones were invented?

I think the mum made a smart choice to say no to phones and tbh that’s her prerogative.

LittleMissCantBeWrong1 · 28/03/2024 18:20

BeretRaspberry · 28/03/2024 18:18

But that is moot point - what are you not understanding? It could happen at any time so why the big deal about it being bedtime?

When my kids had sleepovers they usually got into their pjs earlier on and watched a movie/had treats.

Ok here’s another scenario. Your daughter falls asleep first and her pals film her. They draw on her face or whatever, film themselves humiliating her when she can’t respond and doesn’t know it’s going on.

this isn’t going to happen in the playground or on the school bus.

you sound naive.

BeretRaspberry · 28/03/2024 18:18

LittleMissCantBeWrong1 · 28/03/2024 18:16

Yeah but in this case it’s happened on your watch. When you had the power to stop it happening and didn’t.

Cameras and social media on sleepovers is an absolute recipe for disaster.

But that is moot point - what are you not understanding? It could happen at any time so why the big deal about it being bedtime?

When my kids had sleepovers they usually got into their pjs earlier on and watched a movie/had treats.

mathanxiety · 28/03/2024 18:17

Topseyt123 · 28/03/2024 17:35

You could tell me what you liked. You don't sound like the sort I would want them staying with anyway as I wouldn't trust you.

I paid for my child to have a phone so that I could be in contact with them when they were away from me. It was particularly necessary for my DD because of serious mental health issues which could necessitate contact and potentially pickup at any time.

You clearly wouldn't care about that though so they wouldn't be going to you.

This.

One of mine had asthma and anxiety around it even though they always carried an inhaler. We always checked in.

Hermittrismegistus · 28/03/2024 18:17

Topseyt123 · 28/03/2024 18:13

You would believe incorrectly. And I would have a dead DD. Satisfied?

Honestly sounds like you need to step away from the thread.

CRE2024 · 28/03/2024 18:16

BeretRaspberry · 28/03/2024 18:15

But that could happen at any time? Not just at bed time! Like I said.

It's far more likely to happen in the privacy of a bedroom when children are getting changed than it is to happen on the school bus.

LittleMissCantBeWrong1 · 28/03/2024 18:16

BeretRaspberry · 28/03/2024 18:15

But that could happen at any time? Not just at bed time! Like I said.

Yeah but in this case it’s happened on your watch. When you had the power to stop it happening and didn’t.

Cameras and social media on sleepovers is an absolute recipe for disaster.

Oneofthesurvivors · 28/03/2024 18:16

Rosestulips · 28/03/2024 18:08

So at 2am you’d be happy for someone else’s child to come and wake you up so they can text their parent if for any reason they were wanted to go home? How many children do you think would also be confident enough to do that?

They'd have to wake me up to get out of the house anyway. If they are not confident enough to engage with me they shouldn't come over. What do you think used to happen before mobiles?

NinaPersson · 28/03/2024 18:15

mathanxiety · 28/03/2024 18:14

I'd be annoyed.

Your judgement and parenting were questioned by this woman.

I always felt less worried about my DCs on sleepovers when they had their phones with them.

What if your son had wanted to come home/ something wasn't quite right/ felt worried about a situation?

Yes, that would be my issue too.

BeretRaspberry · 28/03/2024 18:15

LittleMissCantBeWrong1 · 28/03/2024 18:14

you would be singing a very different tune if a video of your 13 year old daughter getting changed was posted on the internet, I’m quite sure.

But that could happen at any time? Not just at bed time! Like I said.

CanNeverThinkOfAName · 28/03/2024 18:15

Hermittrismegistus · 28/03/2024 18:09

That's terrible. So you basically allowed children to have unfettered access to the internet?

Wouldn’t they have had that in their own homes or if using mobile data anyway?

It’s pretty simple to put an over 18 shield on your router so they can’t access porn.

Some people are seriously dense and hysterical!

mathanxiety · 28/03/2024 18:15

Terrribletwos · 28/03/2024 17:08

No, I wouldn't be fine with this. She should have discussed this with beforehand.

Your child should have the means (by phone) to leave if he is in danger or unhappy...non negotiable in my view.

Exactly this.

jannier · 28/03/2024 18:14

Phones have cameras and internet she would have had no control of, they were not out or getting a bus so not relevant.
Children for decades have not been able to say goodnight on sleepovers independence is good for your desperation anxiety.....how did you manage his year 6 trip?
I'm sure if your child needed you they would have been allowed to call.

LittleMissCantBeWrong1 · 28/03/2024 18:14

BeretRaspberry · 28/03/2024 18:13

It’s not terrible. If their parents didn’t have a problem with it, neither do I. If something untoward was going to happen if could happen at any time, not just after bedtime!

Like I said, my kids put their phones on charge overnight.

you would be singing a very different tune if a video of your 13 year old daughter getting changed was posted on the internet, I’m quite sure.

EmilyPlay · 28/03/2024 18:14

So not only did she take his phone she never even told him where she had put it?

Who does that?

mathanxiety · 28/03/2024 18:14

I'd be annoyed.

Your judgement and parenting were questioned by this woman.

I always felt less worried about my DCs on sleepovers when they had their phones with them.

What if your son had wanted to come home/ something wasn't quite right/ felt worried about a situation?

Topseyt123 · 28/03/2024 18:13

Hermittrismegistus · 28/03/2024 18:05

Your ranty reply is what makes me believe you wouldn’t be sensible enough to have a conversation-completely inventing that I would take no account of a childs health needs.

You would believe incorrectly. And I would have a dead DD. Satisfied?

BeretRaspberry · 28/03/2024 18:13

StarlightLime · 28/03/2024 18:11

It's terrible, whether you do it or not. What difference do you think that makes?!

It’s not terrible. If their parents didn’t have a problem with it, neither do I. If something untoward was going to happen if could happen at any time, not just after bedtime!

Like I said, my kids put their phones on charge overnight.