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To think my friend shouldn't have taken this money?

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Gracelet · 25/03/2024 08:09

She was at a National Trust type place which had a second hand book section. As she was browsing she found £165 hidden in one of the books. Rather than hand it in she just kept it and looked rather shocked when I said it was theft.

My perspective - the book belonged to the shop and therefore so does the money.

Her perspective - just luck she came across it so decided to keep it/the shop should have checked the books.

Just for extra info, she doesn't struggle with money but does live payday to payday.

OP posts:
Delatron · 25/03/2024 18:56

I think it’s theft as it was money on the shop’s property. So it’s the same as if she found it on a shelf in the shop - you can’t take things from a shop.

However, if she’d have bought the book and found it at home it would be less clear cut. The book is hers now. And you know the money would not go back to the owner.

If she had any sense she would have seen the money and then left it where it is and bought the book. To take it out of the book is pure stealing.

Most people would have returned the money even if they’d bought the book though I’m sure.

PropertyManager · 25/03/2024 18:56

Gracelet · 25/03/2024 08:19

She didn't buy it

If she had purchased the book technically its not theft, they should have been more careful.

But to take it out of the book is just the same as stealing the book, or anything else.

The honest person hold have handed it over when they saw it.

BeeHappy12 · 25/03/2024 18:54

They wouldn't have been able to track down the person, the NT doesn't need the money and the person behind the till may have just kept it... Probably best your friend just keeps it as a really lucky find, given she lives paycheck to paycheck.

frenchfancy81 · 25/03/2024 18:54

westisbest1982 · 25/03/2024 08:16

I agree with her, it’s not theft. She bought the book.

How do you know?

Mummame2222 · 25/03/2024 18:54

I’d buy the book but I’d keep the money tbh.

LiquoriceAllsorts2 · 25/03/2024 18:51

She should have handed it in. The fact she didn’t shows she has pretty low morals. I think by law she is actually obligated to hand it in so it would be stealing.

ScierraDoll · 25/03/2024 18:49

Janehasamane · 25/03/2024 08:14

I’d have handed it in, but I’d not really have taken issue if someone kept it. I don’t really see it as the national trusts. But the original owner of the book.

The point is the money doesn't belong to her. Theft - the dishonest appropriation of property belonging to another with the intention to permanently deprive.
All the elements are there.

MzHz · 25/03/2024 18:43

Andnowshesatoddler · 25/03/2024 09:18

And where exactly are these books?
I have a few hours spare today I could do with some errr book shopping.

Bad I know, but that’s what I thought

74Violette · 25/03/2024 18:38

It's particularly shady that she didn't even buy the book! Says a lot about her moral character.

LovelyTheresa · 25/03/2024 18:33

Medschoolmum · 25/03/2024 18:31

You can call what you like, but it still wasn't hers to take.

Maybe not, but this was a victimless crime IMO. I don't think that you can extrapolate from her taking this money that she would steal from the OP, as some PP have suggested.

Medschoolmum · 25/03/2024 18:31

LovelyTheresa · 25/03/2024 18:19

Whose was it? There is no way it could get back to the original owner. I call finder's keepers on this one.

You can call what you like, but it still wasn't hers to take.

Deerdrinkingtea · 25/03/2024 18:30

user1492757084 · 25/03/2024 12:07

SMILE, you're on candid camera!

Surely the camera in the shop would have captured that rascal friend who is selfish and amoral. She knew it was not her money.

Do you think they sit and watch the footage every night just in case someone has found/stolen some money in a book that day? 😏

Tempnamechng · 25/03/2024 18:22

I hope she at least stumped up for an Americano and a Danish whirl in the coffee shop afterwards!

shoppingshamed · 25/03/2024 18:21

Gettingonmygoat · 25/03/2024 17:41

If i lived close enough i would take it back, if not i would donate it to a local charity.

Take it back where? She found it in the shop

And it's pay cheque, pay cheque (cancel the cheque), no NT shops in America

funinthesun19 · 25/03/2024 18:20

Jenasaurus · 25/03/2024 17:59

Maybe karma will get her. There is a trend at the moment of placing money in a public place and filming to see what the finder does. If they hand it in they are given it for being honest if not they are basically shown in the act on social media. I don’t think it is this but if it is she may be a social media star soon

Gotta admit I hate those stupid social experiment type things.

Things like… “Would you give a small child your coat if you saw them on their own shivering in the rain at the bus stop?” Yes and I would also call the police because a child has been neglected/is lost 🤷🏼‍♀️. That would be an interesting video for social media.

LovelyTheresa · 25/03/2024 18:19

Medschoolmum · 25/03/2024 17:59

It's theft. That money wasn't hers but she took it anyway.

I would lose respect for her personally.

Whose was it? There is no way it could get back to the original owner. I call finder's keepers on this one.

NWQM · 25/03/2024 18:03

stonebrambleboy · 25/03/2024 08:13

It's theft, in my book😆

See what you did there.....and I agree

Medschoolmum · 25/03/2024 17:59

It's theft. That money wasn't hers but she took it anyway.

I would lose respect for her personally.

Jenasaurus · 25/03/2024 17:59

Maybe karma will get her. There is a trend at the moment of placing money in a public place and filming to see what the finder does. If they hand it in they are given it for being honest if not they are basically shown in the act on social media. I don’t think it is this but if it is she may be a social media star soon

Autienotnaughtie · 25/03/2024 17:58

If I needed it I might have kept it. But I probably would hand it n

LovelyTheresa · 25/03/2024 17:56

AngelQuartz · 25/03/2024 15:20

Going against the grain but I would have kept it 🤷🏼‍♀️

So would I.

sandyhappypeople · 25/03/2024 17:53

MumblesParty · 25/03/2024 17:11

@rooftopbird really? I found a wallet on a night out once. It contained money, cards, all sorts. Should I have just kept it?

Everyone giving these examples, this isn't really the same at all, finding a wallet/purse/handbag etc is something that is obviously lost (not discarded) and the person would be traceable and would be missing it and be really inconvenienced by not having it.

The person that donated the books obviously had no idea there was money stashed in there, and with no way to trace the owner, it's just a lucky accident for someone to find it.

I accidentally dropped £60 a couple of years ago, I retraced all my steps but couldn't find it, my takeaway from it was that while I was really annoyed with myself, I was glad it would make someone's day to find £60, and the universe decided they obviously needed it more than I did! I don't argue with fate.

She should have bought the book though, tight cow.

jengachampion · 25/03/2024 17:50

maybe they've just found a note in their deceased loved one's personal paperwork saying "I've hidden some money that I saved up for the grandchildren in the pages of my copy of Great Expectations"

Fucking hell this site slays me

Georgyporky · 25/03/2024 17:48

I'm puzzled.

£165 would be a sizeable lump. Even if the notes were individually inserted between the pages, the book would be distorted.
Just can't see how it was missed.

MaybeRevisitYourWipingT3chnique · 25/03/2024 17:43

Zyq · 25/03/2024 17:22

But you don't know that the owner of the money isn't looking for it. For all anyone knows, the book was donated a few days ago and the owner has only just realised and is frantically dialling NT as we write. There's absolutely no reason to assume that all books in NT second hand shops were donated decades ago by people who have now died, rather the contrary.

Yes, that's a very good point.

If somebody has just realised - maybe they've just found a note in their deceased loved one's personal paperwork saying "I've hidden some money that I saved up for the grandchildren in the pages of my copy of Great Expectations", having already been getting on with clearing out their house - then of course they would get in touch with the NT property.

Relief on finding that her old copy of Great Expectations, with her name written in it, was still unsold and there on the shelf would quickly evaporate upon realising that somebody had found it and taken the money, without even bothering to buy the book.

They may well not have CCTV in the second-hand bookshop room, but I doubt they'd take very kindly to somebody just helping themselves. Any staff member/volunteer with a particularly good memory might remember her spending time in the shop, especially if it had been recently donated at a less busy time, and recognise her if she goes in again.

Regardless of the moral perspectives on this, she would have covered herself so very much better if she'd just paid a quid or two to actually buy the book - and then go through it for the money at home.