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Keeping pension quiet?

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Seperateaccount · 24/03/2024 21:24

DH and I are hitting pension age. We've been together 25 years, married for nearly 20 years and I've worked sporadically during that time. DH's job takes him abroad and I follow. I'd also paid 20 years of the 25 year mortgage on my own, before we paid it off a few years ago.

I've just become aware of a pension that I'm entitled to from my working days before I even met DH, something I'd completely forgotten about. It's not enough to live on every month but the 25% tax free amount would give me a nice nest egg and I can continue to build it with the pension .

DH will likely see the extra income as a reason to play golf/go on holiday/not worry about the future.

AIBU to set up bank accounts DH doesn't know about? I'm well aware that he's paid more in terms of day to day expenses over the last few years but I also know that I worked bloody hard for years (before we met), to pay for the majority of our house.

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Seperateaccount · 26/03/2024 22:50

WhateverMate · 26/03/2024 22:46

Did you read the bit where I made it crystal clear I was talking about being in the OP's shoes?

How is this even remotely similar to the OP's DH?

You mean the really offensive part?

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WhateverMate · 26/03/2024 22:46

Lifetooshort23 · 26/03/2024 19:54

“Shit life chucking everything on credit”?! Not everyone putting things on credit card are in debt? If I can’t use cash I use my credit card for everything - they generally all come with rewards; cash back, air miles, vouchers etc. I’m not in any credit card debt, I pay it off every month!

i also save every month!

Did you read the bit where I made it crystal clear I was talking about being in the OP's shoes?

How is this even remotely similar to the OP's DH?

ftp · 26/03/2024 22:06

We have totally shared finances, but a few years ago HIS step mother left me a large sum, and he assumed that it was his to do what he wished with. I put it into a separate ISA, which he knows about, but when he wants to buy something big, he assumes that he can spend it, but when I want to, it is "wasting money we might need for our future care".

You say nearing retirement, so if you are still earning, you can feed some into a current pension - do you need the lump sum?
You can do one of 2 things, tell him and tell him that you are going to save it into a nest egg, or tell him nothing and do it anyway. None of us know what the future will hold and being a little older than you, I do feel frightened about the lack of affordable care, and access to funding.

fucketydoodah · 26/03/2024 22:05

Don’t take any notice of the critics with their perfect relationships and smug responses…..
Just keep it quiet and in an account in your own name where only you can decide what to do with it

Toptops · 26/03/2024 21:40

I'd keep it in a separate account. You have in effect had separate financial affairs ie you mostly bought the house. And it's money you accumulated from before you met him.
It's would be better to tell him what you're doing though.

OldPerson · 26/03/2024 21:29

I think I sort of get it.
I need to be financially secure. Okay we've been to the edge, with husband losing job October and starting new Job Jan 1st.
I need 2 months mortgage in the bank. We spent my 2 months mortgage buffer staying afloat, no heating over winter and we were running on fumes.
We've spent over 20 years married. We've both been made redundant several times.
It will take us 8-12 months and going without, to build up another buffer.
So I get it.
Or I think I do. Or I don't.
Do you want the secret bank account for financial security, or to leave your husband, or because you don't trust him and want to spend the money differently?
My husband absolutely knows I need to be able to pay for the roof over our heads and the bills.
But you are being deceptive to your husband? Either he's reckless or you're planning for divorce?

Jeannie88 · 26/03/2024 20:51

I get you, also have a dh who would find ways to spend it on things we don't need lol 😆

Gracefullyolder · 26/03/2024 20:46

I would have no qualms about this at all. Do it. If the shit ever hits the fan, it’s there. I used to have a nice things account that I would pop money into every month. Didn’t always spend it and it grew to quite a sum. Enough for a weekend away for both of us actually!

PUGMEISTER21 · 26/03/2024 20:37

Seperateaccount · 24/03/2024 21:24

DH and I are hitting pension age. We've been together 25 years, married for nearly 20 years and I've worked sporadically during that time. DH's job takes him abroad and I follow. I'd also paid 20 years of the 25 year mortgage on my own, before we paid it off a few years ago.

I've just become aware of a pension that I'm entitled to from my working days before I even met DH, something I'd completely forgotten about. It's not enough to live on every month but the 25% tax free amount would give me a nice nest egg and I can continue to build it with the pension .

DH will likely see the extra income as a reason to play golf/go on holiday/not worry about the future.

AIBU to set up bank accounts DH doesn't know about? I'm well aware that he's paid more in terms of day to day expenses over the last few years but I also know that I worked bloody hard for years (before we met), to pay for the majority of our house.

Sounds like a healthy relationship, if you are having to hide stuff from each other. Not much Trust by the sounds of it.

Shuggie1234 · 26/03/2024 20:11

It’s your pension to do as choose with. I’d keep it as a safety net. Me and DH have always had separate finances, we both contributed over the years varying proportions but he still has his own savings / pensions and when I retire I will have mine. We pool our resources when we need to and it works for us. I’ve always been financially independent and don’t plan on changing it when I retire in a few years

Seperateaccount · 26/03/2024 20:10

LondonPapa · 25/03/2024 14:04

So this pension is from before you met when you worked hard etc. but then you met, he took you away with his work and you enjoyed a good life? On the credit card front, is it AMEX? Probably for the rewards as it's like cashback.

I'd say tell him though. It seems he isn't an abuser and he's supported you a fair whack.

If you call voluntarily building toilets in Africa enjoying the good life, then yes I did. We never lived a "good" life, and nowhere have I said we did. DHs work takes him mainly to third world countries and I follow if its for more than 6 months.

And no it, isnt Amex and its paid in full every month, so no debt.

You have made an awful lot of offensive assumptions about me and my life.

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Thisgroupneverceasestoamazeme · 26/03/2024 20:00

Seperateaccount · 25/03/2024 16:48

Why are so many mentioning divorce? It's not going to happen!

I've now spoken to DH and told him about the pension and made it clear that it is not going in the joint pot. For my own peace of mind I'm taking the lump sum and the pension and putting it in an account only I can access. When he is ready to retire and claim his own private pension we'll have another look at how we manage our finances.

To be fair to him, DH knows he is shit with money and did say his first thought was a new car and a four week trip to Australia! This is why we have no savings!

TBF I’m the ‘shit with money’ one in our marriage. Turns out my DH has been squirrelling some money away for our DC and home improvements without my knowledge and I was dead chuffed when I found out we had a couple of grand saved for the house and our DC has a healthy little nest egg building up. That said the money is still both of ours as we pool all our finances. I wasn’t upset by it.

Lifetooshort23 · 26/03/2024 19:54

WhateverMate · 24/03/2024 21:56

In your shoes I would probably keep it to myself.

But having said that, I'd never be in your shoes because no man has such redeeming qualities that I'd want to live a shit life of chucking everything on credit.

“Shit life chucking everything on credit”?! Not everyone putting things on credit card are in debt? If I can’t use cash I use my credit card for everything - they generally all come with rewards; cash back, air miles, vouchers etc. I’m not in any credit card debt, I pay it off every month!

i also save every month!

Seperateaccount · 26/03/2024 19:51

ViewP0intSelfie · 26/03/2024 06:00

If you are in UK

You could take the 25% tax free lump
Put into an Easy access tax free ISA that pays 5% or more. You can put 20k maximum, per year into ISA

Alternatively, leave your pension alone & let it continue to build up with compound interest

Thank you for this. We have no savings so I'm taking the lump sum and a lower monthly amount, simply because I need to know that we have some cash to draw on in an emergency. DH has been told and is fully on board with this being in my name only.

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chilimartini · 26/03/2024 19:31

@determinedtomakethiswork
100 %

Xenia · 26/03/2024 19:26

English law allows adults even if married to keep their finances secret if they choose (unless they divorce) other than having to let HMRC know if high income means no child benefit entitlement or if claiming benefits. Husband sounds like a huge wasteful spender and wife had 20 years paying off a mortgage before she even met him so sounds like the pension should be kept quiet. Remember pensions are taxable and will need to go on the individual's tax return but that is also confidential from your spouse.

letitlego · 26/03/2024 19:24

Absolutely!

you need a secret stash should you ever separate

Retired65 · 26/03/2024 19:23

Personally, I would tell him about it but have it paid into your own bank account & use the money for what you want.

Bunchymcbunchface · 26/03/2024 19:22

Squirrel it away.

Havinganamechange · 26/03/2024 18:58

Everyone should have a bit of back up and I don’t see any problem in you having some savings in case of a rainy day.

Missingpop · 26/03/2024 18:48

Ok some people might say your married share the details but you had this before you’d married so yes set up a secret account keep it as your nest egg; does he have to know everything about every penny you have or don’t have go with your gut you can’t go wrong then

Sleepytiredyawn · 26/03/2024 18:38

Seperateaccount · 25/03/2024 16:48

Why are so many mentioning divorce? It's not going to happen!

I've now spoken to DH and told him about the pension and made it clear that it is not going in the joint pot. For my own peace of mind I'm taking the lump sum and the pension and putting it in an account only I can access. When he is ready to retire and claim his own private pension we'll have another look at how we manage our finances.

To be fair to him, DH knows he is shit with money and did say his first thought was a new car and a four week trip to Australia! This is why we have no savings!

You’ve done the right thing here. I never once read it as you had the intention to keep it all for yourself, just to protect it from being frittered away.

Waterbaby41 · 26/03/2024 18:26

Maybe you need to ask your yourself how you would feel if you found out your DH was lying to you about something major. Because that is what you are intending to do. It may be a deal breaker for him (not the money but the lies). If your marriage is based on dishonesty go ahead. If not tell him, and put it away safely. Good luck with whatever you decide.

StressedOutButProudMama · 26/03/2024 18:26

I'd say you ABU because why lie just be honest and say you want to put it to one side and creat a nest egg not spend it. I don't think any relationship is secure if it's based on lies and hiding money etc. Just explain what you've explained here to him.

Kitkat1982 · 26/03/2024 10:46

Pheasantsmate · 25/03/2024 13:22

Is honesty the best policy when one party will get railroaded into spending their money on things they are not happy with? Sound’s financially abusive to me.

No-one can be forced into spending their money and she didn't say he would force her, she said she could see her husband thinking he can go off on holidays and golf trips etc. No one can touch your money without permission and if she gives in and let's him spend it then that's her problem isn't it. You can only be abused if you allow yourself to be abused. This is coming from someone who was in an abusive controlling relationship for 3 yrs.