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Is the tide turning regarding gender ideology?

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Sparklybutold · 24/03/2024 18:23

I exist in a world where the harms of gender ideology is very prevalent. I am also seeing there is a turning of conversations. With more cases being brought forward of the harm done owing to gender affirmative care and gender ideology I am hoping that this continues. Over the weekend was a major conference looking at this very issue, again this conference was targeted to be shut down (unsuccessfully) and the TRAs arrived shouting there usual nonsense. I am seeing a shift in the debate and I'm curious what others are experiencing in their own worlds?

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ParentsTrapped · 17/04/2024 20:14

I really hope so. My kids are still young and oblivious and I am hoping that this has all been shown to be the most hideous and dangerous load of brainwashing by the time they are in their teens.

As a child I was a “tomboy” in that I wasn’t interested in stereotypically girly games, loved running, climbing trees, catching insects and getting dirty. I loved George from the Famous Five and had my hair cut short, loved it when people thought I was a boy. Thankfully my parents are sensible anyway but I often wonder if I had been born 30 years later to a different family I could have been labelled and persuaded to transition.

I’m now an entirely average heterosexual woman and so unbelievably grateful every day for the female body that has allowed me to grow and breastfeed my children. I still don’t wear much make up and prefer trousers!

At a work training thing recently in the US (I work for Us company in the U.K.) we were all forced to listen to a lecture from a transwoman about the “power of storytelling”, and the story was about how they knew they were a woman because they loved “twirly dresses”. The US audience lapped it up, but there was plenty of eye rolling from the U.K. contingent.

coxesorangepippin · 17/04/2024 20:08

I work in an industry that involves gender ideology and all I can say is that it seems like a fad from last year. It's rarely mentioned.

Weight loss seems like a bigger interest so far

KateMiskin · 17/04/2024 20:07

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You are comparing GC women to child abusers and rapists now? I have seen it all, truly, unless I have misunderstood you.

StarlightLime · 17/04/2024 20:04

AllPrincessAnneshorses · 24/03/2024 18:42

Son's trans [ been nb well over 10 years] spouse and son are very happy with many gender non conforming friends. Sorry to disappoint you.
Not.

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Sorry this had to be your first response, op. But not really surprised 🙄

KateMiskin · 17/04/2024 20:03

Lemoncokezero · 24/03/2024 22:17

Yabu to post here when there's a topic for this.

Nope, we are not hiding away any more. This affects women and children everywhere, so it can be on the main board.

KateMiskin · 17/04/2024 20:03

Yes. When the Cass Review came out, I was able to have a sensible conversation with some friends. Only a couple of years ago, they were calling themselves allies and me a TERF.

I now need to have that discussion with my young adult DC without eye rolling.

AllPrincessAnneshorses · 17/04/2024 20:00

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LogicLoverLlama · 17/04/2024 19:37

How quickly things change, just 3 weeks later, turns out we aren't all bigots after all

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tobee · 24/03/2024 22:42

What's the likelihood of this being reversed in Scotland in the reasonably near future? Or will it just have to eventually become non enforceable?

AccidentallyWesAnderson · 24/03/2024 22:29

Next month, Scotland, which is heading full speed into batshittery, will be enacting a hate speech law, designed or protect dudes in dresses and makes no mention of women and their protected characteristics. So in Scotland, if someone says you misgendered them, the police will come after you. Women, get out while you still can.

Yep. We are totally fucked.

Lemoncokezero · 24/03/2024 22:17

Yabu to post here when there's a topic for this.

tobee · 24/03/2024 22:09

Especially with the SNP being in the vanguard for anti GC views.

See how well it’s going for the popularity of the SNP

tobee · 24/03/2024 22:08

Screamingabdabz · 24/03/2024 21:19

No op. The tide isn’t turning. It’s actually getting worse and much more dangerous for women.

I just feel like I live in a surreal parallel universe where democratic governments are actually legislating to support this utter insanity and women are increasingly losing their political voice.

When Labour get in, I dread to think what will become of us and our rights and dignities. Gilead here we come.

Conversely, I'm hopeful that if a Labour government does get in, a lot of this will, in fact, die down. It's much easier for people to rally support & say being gc is a right wing concept when there's a hated (to a percentage of people) right wing government in power. The Tories, and some of their supporters, are using this as one of their few issues that the vast majority of the population agree with.

wiffin · 24/03/2024 21:44

wombat15 · 24/03/2024 21:01

I don't think there is any shift among younger adults.

I agree on those around 20 to 30. Younger and older, another so sure.

Screamingabdabz · 24/03/2024 21:19

No op. The tide isn’t turning. It’s actually getting worse and much more dangerous for women.

I just feel like I live in a surreal parallel universe where democratic governments are actually legislating to support this utter insanity and women are increasingly losing their political voice.

When Labour get in, I dread to think what will become of us and our rights and dignities. Gilead here we come.

GreigeO · 24/03/2024 21:10

No, not an S, and mine isn't too bad. Was great to hear about Jo Phoenix's win at the OU.

wombat15 · 24/03/2024 21:01

I don't think there is any shift among younger adults.

Lion400 · 24/03/2024 21:00

There’s a definite shift, I agree. Though with the fact that any man can say he’s a woman and therefore be ‘allowed’ into any female space, we’ve still got a long way to go.

Until biological sex is a protected characteristic in the Equality Act, women’s rights are significantly eroded.

soupfiend · 24/03/2024 20:57

literalviolence · 24/03/2024 20:32

Well said. It's also not about being gender conforming. Most people I know are gender non-conforming. That doesn't make them trans. Gender conformity hasn't been the norm for 20 years or more. It doesn't need a label. It's just normal.

It's very important that people hear anti-gender ideology as 'anti stereotypes' not some endorsement of the 1950's.

Its longer than that isnt it, decades and decades.

I say this on lots of threads so am boring, I dont wear make up (hardly ever), dont wear dresses or skirts, dont shave my legs, Im not 'feminine', dont like pink, never played really with 'girls toys' or other stereotypical games/presentation

Am I 'gender non conforming', yes and no. Im just me, no label, not that different from most women to be honest.

Its a nonsense term to describe likes and dislikes

I also get annoyed when I see the term 'gender they're born into'. No one is born into a theoretical construct that someone develops for themselves!!!! Its not possible.

Lion400 · 24/03/2024 20:56

Sparklybutold · 24/03/2024 20:53

I work with some of the most vulnerable people in the UK. If I asked them for there pronouns they would understandably tell me to fu€k off. It's ironic that in an ideology that espouses privelage, is completely immune to the inherent privelage of being so consumed with gender.

Quite.

Lion400 · 24/03/2024 20:56

https://gendercriticalwoman.blog/2023/05/21/transgender-movement-fascism/

‘The paper outlines the strategy of the transgender movement and it’s inherently anti-democratic tactics. Instead of winning hearts and minds they have appealed to authority, change laws, often by stealth, bypassing a public conversation. Their appeal is based on a fallacious victimhood; deployed to guilt and shame people into accepting their minority world view. This is combined with a suppression of debate and repression of alternative perspectives.’

Transgender Movement & Fascism

The repressive moralism of the transgender movement

https://gendercriticalwoman.blog/2023/05/21/transgender-movement-fascism/

Sparklybutold · 24/03/2024 20:53

Ohpleease · 24/03/2024 20:50

Work have stopped reminding me to ask clients their pronouns so maybe… but v slowly

I work with some of the most vulnerable people in the UK. If I asked them for there pronouns they would understandably tell me to fu€k off. It's ironic that in an ideology that espouses privelage, is completely immune to the inherent privelage of being so consumed with gender.

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Sparklybutold · 24/03/2024 20:51

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Yup

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