Is the tide turning regarding gender ideology?

I mean more that if anyone tries to compel you - you could kill them with legal issues - and strongly encouraged wouldn't stand up either

It's much better than the situation in similar organisations (huge, public sector) where it's compulsory. Believe me, in our sector the fact they haven't made it actually mandatory is a big deal. I have chosen not to use pronouns and so have many others. I had been certain that we were heading for more extreme stances but instead they're becoming more moderate. I agree that there's a long way to go.

Mentioning Cass won't help where I am. Cass was about "gender ID services" for children and young people. Services for adults, and pronouns etc for adults in a workplace were not part of the scope. No waffle will work here - there is a dedicated team of gender ideology high priests and priestesses who will work very hard to protect what they've built. And senior people who enabled this, and don't want to lose face.

I’m seeing more people confidently speak up to say they’re GC, they were previously keeping quiet. The penny also seems to be dropping with others who previously didn’t see the issues around safe spaces and sports.

"strongly encouraged" pronouns is another shit show waiting to happen. I'd anonymously threaten them with some equality act waffle and see it quietly go away in light of the Cass review....

I think it's turning very slowly in a 3 steps forward and 2 back manner.
I work in a very captured workplace. It's still very much on board, but I noticed that one of the really extreme pieces of propaganda info for staff they published has been quietly withdrawn and replaced with something much more moderate. Plus we are "strongly encouraged" to put pronouns on signatures and websites, but it isn't compulsory. I think these are very important, because previously it all seemed to be going in one direction.

As always we see PPs conflating being GNC with trans/NB, so that they can say those of us who don't buy it are enforcing gender stereotypes (obviously the reverse is true when the activists say a little girl who likes cars and football must be a boy). There are still people out there who are taken in by this, but more people are getting it. Ditto people who think TG means post op transsexual.
All this is against a background of the likes of the BBC who work strenuously to keep Lia Thomas and male criminals with bulges in their leggings off our screens. And presenting anything not pro their stance as "controversial", with the presenters using that concerned "how can anyone believe that?" expression.

Wrong thread!

Trans ideology has been a gift to men's rights activists.

They are not going to want to back down now that they have got to a point that we don't even have a word to describe adult human females which excludes men in womanface.

Anyone who continues to back 'trans rights' in spite of all of the evidence of harm to women in children is now complicit. The harms are plain to see.

People can wear what they want as far as I am concerned but there are only 2 sexes.

So no I don't think it is over but I'm fucking angry at the damage to women and children and I think the level of anger is rising generally.

We can thank JKR for using her platform to support women and children.

I certainly hope so OP.

The damage is already done to the poor children already dragged in to this nonsense of course, but I do feel like people are realising - and accepting - the truth!

Team Science and Truth for the win 😁

Yes absolutely the tide is turning.

Thank fuck for that.

But who would have thought the SNP would have ended up being the authors of their own doom re independence because of their intention to 'protect' men in dresses by prosecuting actual women under the guise of misogyny.

It's a whole new level of batshit in Scotland. I half expect him to insist the moon is made of cheese next.

BBC Radio 4 programme: The Media Show Thursday 18 April 2024 8pm:

"Last week Dr Hilary Cass published her final report and recommendations to NHS England in her role as Chair of the Independent Review of gender identity services for children and young people. The Cass report recommends a new approach for clinicians. But what might journalism do differently in the way it covers such a polarising subject? We discuss with Hannah Barnes, the author of Time to Think: the Inside Story of the Collapse of the Tavistock’s Gender Service for Children ; and Rebecca Coombes, Head of Journalism at the British Medical Journal."

Some may have heard the programme previously - I believe it's a repeat.

I would be fascinated to hear what the BBC has to say about its own shoddy work of promoting the nonsense of hundreds of gender identities - and self indulgent rubbish book(s) on Woman's Hour - while ignoring serious concerns about social indoctrination and contagion and the scandal of social and medical malpractice. Seems more likely that Hannah Barnes from working in one small niche will be used to provide convenient cover for the whole organisation.

Son's spouse, who rejects gender stereotypes but is nevertheless the same sex as they ever were, and son are very happy with many friends &c.

There you go.

Emperors new clothes sums it up. Took one person to properly say "this is a crock of shit" and everyone has come out of the wood work to agree. Amazing we were afraid to before

@LogicLoverLlama DH was actually so pleased by this he told me enthusiastically about the "news he'd heard". I didn't have the heart to tell him I'd already seen it on Mumsnet!

Scotland stopping prescribing puberty blockers today is further validation we're not mental

I’d love to think so, the Cass review helped but reading some posts, hearing some politicians and the media there’s still a way to go

Scotland though 🙈🤯. Would this happen in England with Starmer?

Misogyny . When a woman calls a trans woman a man. 😶

https://unherd.com/newsroom/humza-yousafs-misogyny-law-is-a-threat-to-women/

It's a social contagion that has been wildly exaggerated and I have no idea how it's become so normalised.
I do believe some people have very real cases of gender dysphoria but nothing like the scale of what we're experiencing in society now. It's almost always the vulnerable people with other mental health disorders, a history of trauma / sexual abuse and often people on the autistic spectrum. There's a huge lie being fed to them that changing their gender will somehow empower them and make everything better and it simply isn't true. The underlying problems are still there, the mental health problems are still an issue, suicide rates don't improve, it simply doesn't work as a foolproof plan.

If an adult, that fully understands the risks and implications makes the decision that they fully believe they have gender dysphoria and would be more comfortable living in society as the other gender, that's one thing. It's absolutely disgusting to me though, that people are putting children through this utter bollocks. Children! That are incapable of understanding the long term impact it's going to have on them. They are being utterly failed by adults that should be protecting and looking out for them.

No woman is fully feminine all the time and no man is fully masculine all the time... that's normal ffs! That's called being a human! Why on earth is there some insistence now that "you were born in the wrong body" if you're a girl that likes football...? I mean ... come on! Why are we not encouraging the next generation to love themselves and be proud of who they are without pushing unnecessary struggles and labels onto them?!

Aargh, I meant escape the Royals section, of course.

Like I hide all the Kate threads that escape the AIBU section. AIBU is definitely the section that get the most views.

I was just wondering why you think the Feminist topic doesn't appear on the 'main board' when it clearly appears in Active and since when was AIBU the 'main board?' anyway.

But as you were. I'll just hide this one.

You are free to not read this thread too. Just like all the other AIBU threads that have nothing to do with being unreasonable but are here to get more responses.

Believing in biological fact is being equated with Rotherham gangs now is it? Good grief.

How are you hiding away? The threads from the feminist topic appear in Active.

I just care very strongly about a medical scandal as large as Thalidomide. Don't you?

Treatments have been based on ideology and not evidence and thousands of children have likely been permanently harmed because of it.

Both major parties back the review in full, the British Medical Journal has back ed it - it's fact based not ideology based, thank god.