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Should I tell this mum the truth or a kind lie?

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Exegete · 22/03/2024 23:39

DD7 goes to school with a little boy with a disability (he has difficulties walking and doesn’t talk). They’ve been in the same class since reception and DD has always been occasionally complaining about him hitting her. Never anything serious, but she would often mention (usually without looking distressed) that he had grabbed her glasses off her face, pushed her in the line or slapped her. They were good friends and would often play together but he would sometimes suddenly get angry without any warnings. He does also hit other children, but DD is definitely one of his favourite. I saw him recently on a school outing, one minute he’s all smiles and giggles, the next minute out of the blue he grabs a child and pushes him to the floor. I explained to DD that he doesn’t mean to hurt her and that he gets overwhelmed when frustrated and she can tell him to stop or walk away when he’s aggressive. I thought it would get better as he grew up. Well the boy is now turning 8, he’s bigger and stronger and it got worse.

Today the boy’s mum tells me she’s organising a little birthday party for him (a play date and cake with a few friends at their home). She asked if DD was free, I (stupidly) said she was, thanked her for the invitation and I would get back to her. So I didn’t really say yes she’ll come, but I also said we had nothing planned that day.
I thought DD would be happy to go (she did go to his birthday last year and had a good time). Well she firmly refuses to go. She said he shoved her in the railings while lining in the playground today again, he does that all the time now, she just doesn’t bother telling me or the teacher because there’s nothing we can do.
So now what do I tell the boy’s mum? I don’t know her well at all, I feel for her, I’m sad my DD and her son are not friends anymore, but I also won’t force DD to go if she’s scared of him. So my idea is that I need to put on my big girl’s pants and tell the mum the truth. As gently as possible. That I’m sorry but DD doesn’t want to go because her son hits her when he’s upset and she’s a bit scared (how do I word it?!).
Then my husband tells me being honest is cruel and selfish, that a little lie (“sorry we have other plans”) would spare their feelings. But I’m shit at lying, and also I already said we were free that day so she’ll know and I’ll hurt her feelings even more…
Yanbu: tell the truth (how?)
Yabu: tell a white lie

OP posts:
BreatheAndFocus · 23/03/2024 10:30

You shouldn’t be feeling like crap. You told her factually, I’m sure. You were honest but not unkind. There are lots of children like this boy in school. They’re not helped by pussyfooting around the issue. What happens is that gradually they lose the few friends they had and no-one is willing to tolerate their behaviour. For the sake of this boy as well as your DD, this needs sorting.

ttcat37 · 23/03/2024 10:29

GaryLurcher19 · 23/03/2024 04:05

Where did you get "every day" from? OP hasn't said that at all.

Can people just attempt to read OP before going off?

She said he shoved her in the railings while lining in the playground today again, he does that all the time now, she just doesn’t bother telling me or the teacher because there’s nothing we can do.

Sorry, not every day, just ‘all the time’ which is much better…

Exegete · 23/03/2024 10:25

So after sleeping on it and reading all your (mostly) interesting and helpful point of views I went with my gut feeling and told the truth (gently but frankly). The mum said she understands... Now I feel like crap. I think this boy has no malice in him (he’s not a bully) but the gap with the other children widens and it’s very sad.
I also had a conversation with DD so she doesn’t feel alone or helpless. I’ll keep an eye on it and talk to school if another incident occurs. Thank you, I’ll leave the thread now

OP posts:
Peach0123 · 23/03/2024 10:24

GaryLurcher19 · 23/03/2024 00:20

I'd be honest with her.

'Thank you for the invite but DD doesn't want to because your DS shoved her roughly and it has put her off'

Do it sensitively and not in earshot of others, but be direct. You can always add that you understand children have their ups and downs and that there are no hard feelings, but you won't put DD in a position she's uncomfortable with.

I wouldn't go to the school before giving his mum this heads up, tbh. As you're acquainted with her, I'd give her chance to address it first. PPs are saying she probably already knows about his behaviour, and that may be true in a general sense, but how can she address it with him if she never gets the specifics? If I were her, I'd thank you for letting me know, apologise and then ask my DS why he did that. She can't do that unless you give her opportunity.

This exactly. The mum is doing her best to have a small party for the Little boy, your DD probably won't be the only child feeling like they don't want to go. If Nobody comes that would be awful for the boy but you need to go to the mum first and be honest. Even work with her and the school to reach some kind of resolution (if possible). Tough but you really do need to be honest here,and go to school too, show your DD that you will always do what's right by her too. Clearly she feels like she is not being heard properly aswell. Best of luck OP

potato57 · 23/03/2024 10:23

Your daughter is being physically harmed. I would be raising hell, if not at least telling everyone and breaking off the friendship. She's already given up on you helping her, surely you don't want to be that kind of parent. You're setting her up for tolerating bad situations in future.

Blueskybird · 23/03/2024 10:18

For goodness sake just talk to her. Your child shouldn’t be putting up with this and I agree she shouldn’t be made to go. However we all know organising a party is stressful and it’s hurtful when people drop out at the last minute with
“other plans” it’s so obviously a lie or implies a better offer came along.
give the women a bit of notice and explain you are disappointed that their relationship has declined but your daughter doesn’t want to put up with his behaviour anymore. Hopefully she will tackle her son and he will realise there is a consequence to his behaviour! You are not in the wrong here just communicate! Good luck

Bananagirl23 · 23/03/2024 10:18

I think it’s fine to make an excuse to the mum re the party, but since he is hurting her at school it’s up to them to deal with it. You need to tell them every time he hurts her and push them to manage the situation so it doesn’t escalate

lookwhatyoudidthere · 23/03/2024 10:15

I'd say 'we have a family party that day. Hope X has a wonderful birthday'. In my opinion, it's the school that has to address this child's behaviour- not you.

TootYourOwnHorn · 23/03/2024 10:14

You need to tell her the truth for the sake of your daughter. What you're modelling here is to minimise abuse and not speak up or stick up for yourself. This really isn't a lesson you want your child taking with her in life. You need to ensure the school is protecting your child from abuse also. There's no point in her telling you if you're not going to do anything about it. It's your job to make sure your child is safe and happy, if she learns to not bother telling you about this kind of thing now, this will continue as she grows up. You need to advocate for your child. I'm sorry if that sounds harsh but you can't let that continue!

Attryn · 23/03/2024 10:11

I don't understand why so many people are happy to lie.

I would say:

Hi X, I've just checked with DD re the party and unfortunately it seems the issues between her and Y are continuing at school so she doesn't feel he's her friend right now and she doesn't want to come.
I'll have another chat with the school about how they can support the kids with resolving this, but as it isn't sorted at the moment we will have to decline the invitation.
I hope Y has a great party.
Yourname xx

Honest and kind is always best.

OneNiftyPoet · 23/03/2024 10:10

I'm shocked at how accepting you, the school and the boy's parents are about his violent behaviour. Are you all waiting for him to actually seriously injure another child before you take action? What if your daughter had been impaled on those railing or lost an eye?
I'm not unsympathetic to the boy but it's also not doing him any favours to let him continually get away with it. It will only get worse and he may end up in big trouble because you're all sending the message that it's ok for him to hurt others.

GingerReader · 23/03/2024 10:08

I know this has (hopefully) been resolved but I wanted to add my thoughts. In terms of your daughter’s wellbeing, it doesn’t actually matter that the other child has additional needs. She’s being hurt, period. That’s not okay and I feel for her. Yes okay there’s the argument that the other child should be getting extra support but also he shouldn’t be hitting. Additional needs is not an excuse. He needs to know not to do that. And if he genuinely cannot understand or learn that he shouldn’t hit or lash out then he will sadly not have many friends and that’s the hard truth of it.

TwigletsAndRadishes · 23/03/2024 10:02

Tell a white lie to the mum, but tell the truth to the school. The little boy obviously cannot help it, but he needs to be more closely supervised if he is to be in a mainstream school.

tkwal · 23/03/2024 10:02

I think you should have a conversation with the Mum .The school doesn't appear to be aware /bothered about the problem . Maybe the mum isn't either or doesn't realise that this behaviour has escalated. This is about more than a birthday party
In any case , your daughter doesn't need to be putting up with this so I'm afraid you will have to steel yourself and have a (for you) uncomfortable chat. Approach the Mum....maybe suggest a coffee ? Tell her you think she needs to be aware of the pushing/hitting and that its getting worse as he gets older. Explain to her as a fellow parent, your concerns for your child. Suggest she speaks to SENCO ( maybe she already has ). Her response to this will give you a clearer idea of how to deal with the issue going forward.
If school is already aware they should have done a risk assessment and have a plan in place. Don't be afraid to let the school know what's going on. I'm sure they will understand that you priority has to be your child's well being and her education.

BetterWithPockets · 23/03/2024 10:01

Am really surprised by the number of people saying keep the party separate and make up an excuse as to why your DD can’t go. I’d explain — nicely — exactly why your DD doesn’t want to go, saying what you’ve said here. The ball’s then in their court… (I would also then, as PPs have said, talk to the school because they’re not doing their job if your DD feels there’s no alternative other than putting up with it.)

TeabySea · 23/03/2024 10:00

PaminaMozart · 22/03/2024 23:57

Talk to his mum now or after the party, whichever you feel more comfortable with - but she definitely needs to know.

However, I'm concerned that the teacher and the school don't seem to be dealing with this issue. Not sure about the best way of addressing it, but I would probably have a word with the teacher.

Yes, ir sounds as though the school are not doing what they should.
This is a safeguarding issue.

MrsWhattery · 23/03/2024 10:00

Good for your DD for standing up for herself and having boundaries about what she’ll put up with. Please support her to stay like that, tell her you’re on her side and you’ll do what you can to try to get school to do something about this too. The boy is being let down too as he shouldn’t be allowed to just attack people without any consequences, that’s not helping him either - but as PPs have said, the school also has a duty to protect the other kids.

Your dd has to spend all day at school knowing she could be about to be hurt, that’s horrible and no wonder she’d rather not spend her spare time in that situation as well.

Your DH is (probably not consciously) training her that as a girl she can just suck up what boys dish out and that is a message she’ll get a lot. She needs to be reassured it’s ok to prioritise her own safety.

if I was the mum I’d want to know. If school can’t prevent him being violent then they need to look at other options. Ultimately it won’t help the boy if he’s allowed to keep hurting other kids - they’ll avoid him or eventually someone will thump him back. I know sorting this out is easier said than done but it’s not your DDs responsibility.

Easipeelerie · 23/03/2024 09:59

Re: addressing the party acceptance or not - I’m not keen on the fact that your husband thinks he knows how to handle it and gives you the benefit if his wisdom. He should speak to the parents if he knows best. He won’t do though because this is wifework.
I agree with all the posters saying you (and your husband) need to tell the school every time. Ask what they’re doing to protect your child. Keep doing it till you see action.

Freddiefan · 23/03/2024 09:58

I would try to speak privately to one of the parents and quietly tell the truth that your daughter has been hurt so does not want to go to the party.

dottiedodah · 23/03/2024 09:56

I would say something like pizza heart said . As a little girl she should not have to suffer this kind of thing.she probably feels powerless as no one seems to be helping at school.

Scirocco · 23/03/2024 09:55

I'd be honest in advance of the party, and explain that, while you hope they can be friends again, you aren't going to make your daughter spend time with someone who hits and pushes her. The other mum might be upset, but the alternatives (doing the 'be kind' thing and making your daughter go, faking a last minute emergency reason to cancel, or telling a lie) would be worse.

The bigger issue, though, is that your daughter is being subjected to physical aggression and feels so let down by the adults around her that she's no longer seeing a point in telling people when she's being hurt. You need to take action with the school to keep her safe and support her in developing a sense that she does not deserve to and should not have to tolerate violence.

Inertia · 23/03/2024 09:53

Don’t lie. You can use diplomatic phrasing, but you need to tell the mother that DD doesn’t want to go because the boy keeps hurting her.

Absolutely don’t fabricate a last minute lie- that’s shitty.

You need to tell the school every time it happens. Your daughter needs you to step up, and at the moment you are teaching her that she has to tolerate repeated violence.

Schools are in a shocking position. Funding cuts are so severe that children who need 1:1 don’t get it. When they can’t manage mainstream provision their needs overwhelm them. Report every incident, ask how incidents are recorded. Ask the headteacher what s/he is doing to safeguard your child. Schools need huge amounts of evidence to get funding for individual children with SEND, because govt don’t fund LAs adequately either.

MsMarple · 23/03/2024 09:51

The kindest and most respectful thing to do for the boy’s mum will be to tell her the truth. She will know you are making excuses with whatever story you come up with, but might assume it’s because of your prejudices rather than her son’s actual behaviour. If she doesn’t know the truth, she can’t address it. You can say how sad you are that they aren’t friends anymore but that now you know the extent of what is going on you need to listen to your DD’s wishes.

Separately you must raise it with the school - there are lots of things they can do now, even without a full time one to one.

UniversalAunt · 23/03/2024 09:50

OP, you say that ‘Well she firmly refuses to go’.
Well, that’s it. Your DD cannot be forced to go nor should this be entertained.

As her parent, it is for you to manage the diplomacy & I am sure that another urgent unexpected family engagement (e.g. Great Aunt Lucy over from Peru) will suffice.

Ideally, a gentle & honest discussion well beforehand would have been preferable where the respective parents & children would have had time to reflect & possibly come up with a workable outcome so that the children’s friendship could continue without fear or thumping. Buuut the party invitation has pre-empted this & interestingly the boy’s father was already aware that his son had hurt your DD.

Your DD’s stance is fair & good for her stating her opinion & keeping her boundaries. Respect.

Bellyblueboy · 23/03/2024 09:46

She will know it’s a lie. I think be honest about the physical stuff. The teachers must have already mentioned it.

I am so sorry, I chatted to Lucy about the party and she has been upset recently by Tom, he has pushed and hit her a few times. She doesn’t want to go to the party because if that, and David and I have decided we won’t force her under the circumstances. We hope Tom has a great birthday.

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