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Should I tell this mum the truth or a kind lie?

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Exegete · 22/03/2024 23:39

DD7 goes to school with a little boy with a disability (he has difficulties walking and doesn’t talk). They’ve been in the same class since reception and DD has always been occasionally complaining about him hitting her. Never anything serious, but she would often mention (usually without looking distressed) that he had grabbed her glasses off her face, pushed her in the line or slapped her. They were good friends and would often play together but he would sometimes suddenly get angry without any warnings. He does also hit other children, but DD is definitely one of his favourite. I saw him recently on a school outing, one minute he’s all smiles and giggles, the next minute out of the blue he grabs a child and pushes him to the floor. I explained to DD that he doesn’t mean to hurt her and that he gets overwhelmed when frustrated and she can tell him to stop or walk away when he’s aggressive. I thought it would get better as he grew up. Well the boy is now turning 8, he’s bigger and stronger and it got worse.

Today the boy’s mum tells me she’s organising a little birthday party for him (a play date and cake with a few friends at their home). She asked if DD was free, I (stupidly) said she was, thanked her for the invitation and I would get back to her. So I didn’t really say yes she’ll come, but I also said we had nothing planned that day.
I thought DD would be happy to go (she did go to his birthday last year and had a good time). Well she firmly refuses to go. She said he shoved her in the railings while lining in the playground today again, he does that all the time now, she just doesn’t bother telling me or the teacher because there’s nothing we can do.
So now what do I tell the boy’s mum? I don’t know her well at all, I feel for her, I’m sad my DD and her son are not friends anymore, but I also won’t force DD to go if she’s scared of him. So my idea is that I need to put on my big girl’s pants and tell the mum the truth. As gently as possible. That I’m sorry but DD doesn’t want to go because her son hits her when he’s upset and she’s a bit scared (how do I word it?!).
Then my husband tells me being honest is cruel and selfish, that a little lie (“sorry we have other plans”) would spare their feelings. But I’m shit at lying, and also I already said we were free that day so she’ll know and I’ll hurt her feelings even more…
Yanbu: tell the truth (how?)
Yabu: tell a white lie

OP posts:
Zyq · 23/03/2024 03:35

Exegete · 23/03/2024 00:24

Alright wise mumsnetters, I will follow your advice and make an excuse tomorrow morning! Or even better: I’ll invite some friends over on that day so I’m NOT actually lying! You’re also right I should probably have a conversation with my daughter and remind her it’s not ok and she should always tell me when it happens…

Don't invite friends from school over. It may mean even fewer going to the boy's party.

walkerscrispsarethenuts · 23/03/2024 03:17

I'd tell the mum that your daughter has said that she doesn't want to go because her son has been pushing her!

xyz111 · 23/03/2024 03:12

TheGreatGherkin · 23/03/2024 00:01

Flat tyre. You only found out just as you were leaving to go to the party. Emergency vet trip for your seriously ill emu.

Don't do this. Give the mum notice.

MariaVT65 · 23/03/2024 03:08

Happyinarcon · 23/03/2024 02:55

This child has extra needs that the school isn’t managing. It’s not ok to routinely physically assault other people and have it shrugged off, in no adult office environment would this be ok. I know I’m venting here but I will never understand why we are comfortable sending our children to places where we know they will be attacked and nothing will be done.

Agree

MariaVT65 · 23/03/2024 03:08

I’m going to disagree with the others and say absolutely tell her the truth!!

Literally say to her: thanks again for your kind invitation but i’m sorry to say we now won’t be able to make it. I’ve told DD about the party but she has asked not to go because your DS is regularly hitting her at school.

Then you can decide how you want to proceed further about the matter.

If you go to the school (which i think you should), it’s possible she’ll find out and figure out why you cancelled anyway.

It’s not cruel to tell his mum the truth. What’s cruel is that your DD is being hit at school.

RawBloomers · 23/03/2024 02:59

Exegete · 23/03/2024 00:24

Alright wise mumsnetters, I will follow your advice and make an excuse tomorrow morning! Or even better: I’ll invite some friends over on that day so I’m NOT actually lying! You’re also right I should probably have a conversation with my daughter and remind her it’s not ok and she should always tell me when it happens…

There’s not much point telling your dd she should always tell you when it happens if you’re not going to do anything about it.

How on earth have you let it get to this stage if it’s been happening for years? It’s not his fault but that doesn’t mean it should be happening. You should have kicked up a stink with the school for not safeguarding your DD from the very start.

Happyinarcon · 23/03/2024 02:55

This child has extra needs that the school isn’t managing. It’s not ok to routinely physically assault other people and have it shrugged off, in no adult office environment would this be ok. I know I’m venting here but I will never understand why we are comfortable sending our children to places where we know they will be attacked and nothing will be done.

KomodoOhno · 23/03/2024 02:49

coxesorangepippin · 23/03/2024 01:03

What's all this passive pussy footing around making excuses??!

This lad hits your daughter and you have to keep quiet about it?!

You're not going because he hurt your child. Final.

I'm with this. Said silly I spoke to dd ans she doesn't wish to go because of being hit scared etc. And speak the school and keep speaking up every time. Yes it's SAS the child has challenges but that does not trump your dd or any of the children's safety.

ohfook · 23/03/2024 02:36

I agree with what most other posters here, make up a lie about the party and then take it up with the school. I actually think this is a good time to demonstrate to your daughter that just because he can't help it, it doesn't make it your daughter's responsibility to put up with it. Equally the school have a duty of care to all pupils including your daughter and if this child is in mainstream school then the onus is on school to manage it correctly both for the boy's sake, to ensure he doesn't end up isolated from his peers, and for all other pupils too.

As an aside, this is why I hate Facebook posts like 'this SEN child threw a party and not one person came; teach your child to be kind etc etc' Because the reality of the situation is often a little more complex than is suggested.

Newestname002 · 23/03/2024 02:23

Mmhmmn · 23/03/2024 00:44

Tell her the truth, kindly. Avoiding it helps no one. You can’t expose your daughter to violence from this boy whether it’s his fault or not.

Yes I agree with this. Also, be careful that your daughter isn't, even inadvertently, being conditioned to accept this behaviour from the men/women she will meet in her adult life. She needs to know she can set clear boundaries and keep herself safe. 🌹

YoureALizardHarry11 · 23/03/2024 02:14

Word it exactly as you have done here. ‘’I’m really sorry, but DD has told me that she doesn’t feel comfortable attending the party because your son regularly hurts her. She knows he gets frustrated etc and she doesn’t blame him for it, but she’s afraid of being hit if she attends’’ Job done, nothing wrong with it, you’re over thinking. You won’t offend her if you let her know that she isn’t placing blame. Even if she does actually blame him, you can avoid upsetting the mum in the moment, but hopefully she will be sufficiently mortified to try and intervene.

Nevermind91 · 23/03/2024 02:07

There seems to be a lot of acceptance and shoulder shrugging going on here.
"It's just the way he is" is not good enough. The other children should have to put up with it just because the school can't address it properly.

Riverlee · 23/03/2024 01:58

Why are you letting this child bully your dd at school?

ForestBather · 23/03/2024 01:50

Exegete · 23/03/2024 00:24

Alright wise mumsnetters, I will follow your advice and make an excuse tomorrow morning! Or even better: I’ll invite some friends over on that day so I’m NOT actually lying! You’re also right I should probably have a conversation with my daughter and remind her it’s not ok and she should always tell me when it happens…

But what are you actually going to do about it? One of my core memories is my mother doing nothing to actually stop the abuse at school at the same age. It took me a long time to learn (as an adult) that I didn't have to let people treat me badly. I'll never quite forgive her for that.

GaryLurcher19 · 23/03/2024 01:17

Just an additional point, OP, well done to your DD for refusing to go. A lot of children, especially girls, would suck it up to keep the peace. She's been honest and assertive in her own interests and those are qualities to be proud of.

coxesorangepippin · 23/03/2024 01:04

Well she firmly refuses to go. She said he shoved her in the railings while lining in the playground today again, he does that all the time now, she just doesn’t bother telling me or the teacher because there’s nothing we can do.

^

'Because there's nothing we can do'

Do you realise what this is teaching your daughter?

coxesorangepippin · 23/03/2024 01:03

What's all this passive pussy footing around making excuses??!

This lad hits your daughter and you have to keep quiet about it?!

You're not going because he hurt your child. Final.

PerpetualStudent · 23/03/2024 01:00

Apart from the party issue I agree with PP you need to go back to the school and escalate this. If the class teacher is aware and not taking effective action, you need to go to the head teacher. It’s not about blaming the boy but your DD has a right to feel safe at school.

Morewineplease10 · 23/03/2024 00:50

Ffs, stick up for your DD. I feel outraged on behalf she's had to put up with this!

Party is a separate issue but I'm glad she is refusing to go.

Mmhmmn · 23/03/2024 00:44

Tell her the truth, kindly. Avoiding it helps no one. You can’t expose your daughter to violence from this boy whether it’s his fault or not.

Mmmm19 · 23/03/2024 00:41

I would say you forgot a prior engagement (easily done). If there are updates since you last spoke to school then raise with them. Also I feel this post is quite identifiable if the mum read it

fridaynight1 · 23/03/2024 00:37

I'd tell her you've spoken to your daughter about the party invitation and it appears they have fallen out and she doesn't want to come.

Exegete · 23/03/2024 00:24

Alright wise mumsnetters, I will follow your advice and make an excuse tomorrow morning! Or even better: I’ll invite some friends over on that day so I’m NOT actually lying! You’re also right I should probably have a conversation with my daughter and remind her it’s not ok and she should always tell me when it happens…

OP posts:
GaryLurcher19 · 23/03/2024 00:20

I'd be honest with her.

'Thank you for the invite but DD doesn't want to because your DS shoved her roughly and it has put her off'

Do it sensitively and not in earshot of others, but be direct. You can always add that you understand children have their ups and downs and that there are no hard feelings, but you won't put DD in a position she's uncomfortable with.

I wouldn't go to the school before giving his mum this heads up, tbh. As you're acquainted with her, I'd give her chance to address it first. PPs are saying she probably already knows about his behaviour, and that may be true in a general sense, but how can she address it with him if she never gets the specifics? If I were her, I'd thank you for letting me know, apologise and then ask my DS why he did that. She can't do that unless you give her opportunity.

pizzaHeart · 23/03/2024 00:18

My DD has additional needs and I would like to know if she’s behaving badly towards someone in the class.
I would tell her that sadly it turned that Jack was very rough towards Evie at school, she’s very upset about it so considering the situation you think it would be better for her to skip the party. I would also add that you hope that things get better and they will be friends again ( if you do think so)
I know that it’s not boy’s fault he probably not getting enough/ right support but why should your DD suffer?

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