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To find this very very annoying

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KungBooPanda · 22/03/2024 15:36

My DH never confirms plans with anyone. He often doesn't plan anything to start with, but he often keeps things vague until last minute.

This Easter weekend we are 'maybe' going to his parents house (about 3 hours from us so we would be staying overnight). I have other people messaging me saying 'shall we pop over during the long weekend for a wine/coffee' and a couple of other things.

I have asked him to confirm either way with his parents and he says 'yeah, i will' but then never calls them. When I press him he says 'oh well i'm sorry your friends are more important than my family' and 'you see friends all the time'.

I just messaged him and said 'are we going to your parents next Friday' and he replied 'not sure yet, why?'

I feel like tearing my hair out.

AIBU? Uptight?

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YouGotThis24 · 28/03/2024 07:01

Sorry @KungBooPanda … do whatever you need to keep yourself safe at this point. Stay with a friend, get a friend to visit you or pretend things are fine.

His behaviour is escalating as he realises he has lost control of the situation and of you. He’s trying to scare you back into line. This is why you need knowledge and support … because if you decide to divorce he will continue to try to scare you and make you feel guilty for breaking up the family unit.

If the abuse continues to escalate you may need to speak to a solicitor about a non-molestation order.

Look after yourself and dc. Speaking as someone who has been there it does get better. I’m in month three since my ex-husband moved out and am reclaiming my home as a safe space. I feel much calmer. My dc is happy and has adapted to the family changes much better than I’d ever hoped. Co-parenting still has its challenges as my ex is still controlling but I am minimising his negative impact on us more and more each week. Take care.

Powderblue1 · 28/03/2024 06:07

Urgh that's annoying. I'd speak to MIL and FIL and make the plans myself or just make plans with your friends. Why are you waiting for him to make the decision OP?

Scarydinosaurs · 28/03/2024 05:36

He is scary now because atm he is in the house/has the ability to intimidate you - but when you’re rid of him it Will be better. Can you see a solicitor today?

Newestname002 · 28/03/2024 05:22

KungBooPanda · 27/03/2024 21:22

i did call refuge earlier today (which felt a bit crazy but i thought helpful to discuss particularly about the kids) - and they suggested marriage counselling and just said lots about 'we all have a right to a happy home' and v general stuff like that.

You may get a better, more useful response from Womens Aid. 🌹

Newestname002 · 28/03/2024 05:19

@KungBooPanda

He also said "I don't want our kids to have step parents and step siblings" and I said "that is the last thing of my mind" and he said "I've got another 40 years on this planet, you might be happy to not find anyone else but I certainly will be"

What an absolute hypocrite he is!! 🌹

Mnetcurious · 28/03/2024 00:10

KungBooPanda · 27/03/2024 22:54

. Pls someone tell me it will be OK. He came back.I feel so desperate and upset. We started talking about money and he went absolutely crazy. Calling me a "thick bitch" right up in my face "you think I was angry on Monday this is fucking angry" kept saying you "evil evil bitch" "I can't wait to be rid of you". He took off his ring. I started crying which i dont do often and he screamed "you want to divorce well this is what it's going to feel like for you. This is what is in store you nasty thick bitch". He said he'll call the estate agents to get the house on the market tomorrow. I can't stop crying. I've left him downstairs and i can still hear him shouting to nobody. Pls someone tell me it will be OK. How can I go with him tomorrow but how do I let him take the kids.

You need to keep note of what you’ve said here. So that if in future you’re having a wobble over whether it’s the right thing to split up, you can remind yourself exactly how he spoke to you. No one deserves to be spoken to like this, especially by the person who is supposed to live them the most. I’m sorry this has happened, please get supportive people around you and let them help you.

Grimchmas · 27/03/2024 23:42

I'm sorry OP. The fucking audacity of him to be telling you he's committed to the magic of marriage while he's happy to shout and swear at you over and over again.

I'm also sorry that Refuge were so useless. There's no way they should be suggesting joint marriage counseling when one person is abusive, and he must certainly is that.

How sure are you that he will take the kids without you?

You can't go with him, that's for certain.

eddalp · 27/03/2024 23:22

@KungBooPanda sorry I hadn’t seen your latest update xx

AutumnFroglets · 27/03/2024 23:17

I am so sorry OP. Is there a friend you can go to overnight? I would also contact the police and ask for their advice and tell them your DH seems to be excessively angry tonight.

Can you record him secretively on your phone if he comes into your room to rant again? (This is only for police proof, or for your own sanity when you start doubting yourself).

EDIT - he can't sell the house without your signature as it is a marital asset. He can't change the locks either (nor can you though).

eddalp · 27/03/2024 23:16

@KungBooPanda I could have written this. It’s fucking awful isn’t it. I have to ask over and over and never get a straight answer. Then at the 11th hour he’ll decide and I’m stuck with cancelling alternative plans ive made or ruining a family day out. It’s classic men not carrying the mental load though.

Sometimes1234 · 27/03/2024 23:13

I m sorry OP

OneMoreTime23 · 27/03/2024 23:05

Is there somewhere you can go with your kids tonight?

KungBooPanda · 27/03/2024 22:54

. Pls someone tell me it will be OK. He came back.I feel so desperate and upset. We started talking about money and he went absolutely crazy. Calling me a "thick bitch" right up in my face "you think I was angry on Monday this is fucking angry" kept saying you "evil evil bitch" "I can't wait to be rid of you". He took off his ring. I started crying which i dont do often and he screamed "you want to divorce well this is what it's going to feel like for you. This is what is in store you nasty thick bitch". He said he'll call the estate agents to get the house on the market tomorrow. I can't stop crying. I've left him downstairs and i can still hear him shouting to nobody. Pls someone tell me it will be OK. How can I go with him tomorrow but how do I let him take the kids.

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AwBlessm · 27/03/2024 22:45

i was antogonising him by acting like i was scared of him which wound him up

So his response to seeing you scared was...anger? ffs

AutumnFroglets · 27/03/2024 22:28

Contact Women's Aid, they can signpost you to your local centre - as can your GP.

I found refuge "unhelpful" but maybe it was how I was coming across. With Women's Aid I used their email so I could choose my words better rather than ramble on.

https://www.womensaid.org.uk/information-support/

EDIT - I'm surprised Refuge recommended marriage counselling actually, since you should never do joint therapy with an abusive partner 😮

Justkeepingplatesspinning · 27/03/2024 21:29

Well yes, we do have a right to a happy home, but where you've got someone who is gaslighting you and controlling then marriage counselling/mediation is going to be difficult. I'm sorry refuge weren't more helpful in practical terms of whether there might be refuge space available, being able to speak with a women's support worker, telling you about their services etc. You might need to track down the local version to find that sort of thing out.
Oh - forgot to mention about the Freedom programme, that might be helpful. - edited to add this x

KungBooPanda · 27/03/2024 21:22

i did call refuge earlier today (which felt a bit crazy but i thought helpful to discuss particularly about the kids) - and they suggested marriage counselling and just said lots about 'we all have a right to a happy home' and v general stuff like that.

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Justkeepingplatesspinning · 27/03/2024 21:18

Well done on having the conversation. He is being true to type blaming you for his behaviour and minimising his actions.
I would be looking to get some legal advice asap and put wheels in motion so that he comes back after the Easter weekend for as short a time as possible before he moves out. Also, speak to women's aid or similar so that you have logged the abusive and controlling behaviour somewhere other than here.

KungBooPanda · 27/03/2024 21:11

he says i'm being a drama queen about 'throwing' and that he put the bonnet on the ground, it wasn't a 'throw'. his reason for everything is he was stressed and i was antogonising him by acting like i was scared of him which wound him up & that if i was really scared i'd have run in the house, not 'held my ground' as he put it. i said blaming me isn't an apology but he won't accept that.

he said 'right we are breaking up then, i'll go tomorrow without you'. i feel a bit sick about it all but trying to remember what he is like.

he just left the conversation and said 'i'm not playing happy families anymore' and has gone to the gym.

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Daffodilsarentfluffy · 27/03/2024 21:08

Any words that come out his mouth after that moment op are worthless... Imo.
He will toss between being a twat and being nice. Because he wasn't prepared for you doing anything but accepting what he said. He is confused now.
But you aren't. So stick to your words. Use them wisely. Keep it simple. So he can understand..
You want out. You won't be in an abusive relationship.. And your dc won't have an abusive df...tell your solicitor he attends anger management and you want supervised contact until he can show a judge he has changed.

Bobbotgegrinch · 27/03/2024 21:04

KungBooPanda · 27/03/2024 20:23

We are having the talk. He said he's a romantic who believes in the magic of marriage and will always want to try and that I'm a pragmatist who is always weighing up my options. He also said "I don't want our kids to have step parents and step siblings" and I said "that is the last thing of my mind" and he said "I've got another 40 years on this planet, you might be happy to not find anyone else but I certainly will be" which has made me so fucking sad. Not him being with someone else but that I think he isn't going to consider the DC at all in that.

He is also apologising a lot. And saying how sad he is. It feels so confusing.

He called you a cunt and threw his child's Easter bonnet at you.

Real fucking romantic.

AutumnFroglets · 27/03/2024 20:58

Of course he's sad. He's realised that he's close to blowing his cosy life up by pushing his control and manipulation too far and you seeing him for what he is. He's not sorry for what he did, he's sorry he got caught out.

You know what I would do now. Ask him what went through his mind when he called you a stupid cunt. Ask him why he punished DS by leaving him. Ask him why he felt it was okay to throw the bonnet on the floor in front of DS. Don't accept sorry, accept valid and reasonable explanations. If he can't explain It (without making it your fault) then he isn't repentant, nor will it prevent it from happening again.

He said he's a romantic who believes in the magic of marriage.
Remind me again what's romantic and magical about calling the one you love "a stupid fucking cunt"?

Sorry to keep repeating it, but you need to remember that moment in time. His face, his voice, his anger, his aggression, the way he moved. All because you needed an answer about the weekend.

OneMoreTime23 · 27/03/2024 20:52

He said he's a romantic who believes in the magic of marriage

Shouting “you fat cunt” in your wife’s face is romantic now, is it?

KungBooPanda · 27/03/2024 20:23

We are having the talk. He said he's a romantic who believes in the magic of marriage and will always want to try and that I'm a pragmatist who is always weighing up my options. He also said "I don't want our kids to have step parents and step siblings" and I said "that is the last thing of my mind" and he said "I've got another 40 years on this planet, you might be happy to not find anyone else but I certainly will be" which has made me so fucking sad. Not him being with someone else but that I think he isn't going to consider the DC at all in that.

He is also apologising a lot. And saying how sad he is. It feels so confusing.

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YouGotThis24 · 27/03/2024 17:44

I’m sorry you are having to go through this. My advice would be to use this time to build your knowledge but also your support network. Unfortunately leaving a controlling man isn’t a quick process … it took me 18 months to get my ex-husband out of the house and he made those months very difficult. As well as practical support you need your friends, family and experts on your team to vent to and provide reassurance when you need it if worried about threats being made. You may need to talk to boss at work when you’re ready so they know what you're navigating outside the office.

Now is the time to reach out to those that will be there for you … a fortunate side effect of these difficult times is you realise there are other people in your life that are amazing and are there for you to lean on 👍