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To dislike men who seek out foreign brides

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Hartley99 · 21/03/2024 17:08

There are quite a few documentaries about this on YouTube. The guy is usually ugly or boring or nerdy (usually all three). He claims to be ‘looking for love,’ when in reality, of course, he’s looking for a sexual partner. So he goes online and searches for girls in poor countries - often Thailand or Russia. In almost every case the girl is younger and/or much more attractive than him.

Recently, there was a documentary on channel 4, and I ended up having an argument with someone at work about it. They thought the whole thing was ‘sweet’ and funny and couldn’t see anything wrong. To them it made sense. The guy got to have sex with a girl out of his league, and the girl got to move to a richer country with more opportunities. To me it just seemed revolting. However you spin it, they are taking advantage of her poverty. They know that she wouldn’t look twice at them in any other circumstance. Apparently, after the invasion of Ukraine there was a massive spike in men looking for Ukrainian brides online. I mean that says it all. Or am I being uptight and judgemental?

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Ahugga · 19/04/2024 21:20

KestrelMoon · 19/04/2024 21:16

So if it’s a website within the U.K., it’s for dating women but if it’s a website outside the U.K., it is shopping for a woman. You disgust me in how you view foreign women as merchandise. I thought that sort of viewpoint regarding foreign women died out with the slave trade.

I hardly think it's me who views them as merchandise.

KestrelMoon · 19/04/2024 21:16

Ahugga · 19/04/2024 21:13

There was a lovely website linked earlier in the thread, you can shop around for a bride of any age, from any country. But sure, no proof. None at all.

So if it’s a website within the U.K., it’s for dating women but if it’s a website outside the U.K., it is shopping for a woman. You disgust me in how you view foreign women as merchandise. I thought that sort of viewpoint regarding foreign women died out with the slave trade.

Ahugga · 19/04/2024 21:13

KestrelMoon · 19/04/2024 21:11

Well, everyone who marries does so intentionally otherwise it is a forced marriage. You have no proof that any men intend to marry only a foreign woman.

There was a lovely website linked earlier in the thread, you can shop around for a bride of any age, from any country. But sure, no proof. None at all.

KestrelMoon · 19/04/2024 21:11

Ahugga · 19/04/2024 21:08

Have I ever said "all men who marry foreign wives do this"? Have I ever said that? This is a thread about men who intentionally do it. It's not about anyone else. Don't project.

Well, everyone who marries does so intentionally otherwise it is a forced marriage. You have no proof that any men intend to marry only a foreign woman.

KestrelMoon · 19/04/2024 21:09

Ahugga · 19/04/2024 21:05

So you're fine with a man only recognizing poverty when he wishes to take advantage of young women? Really?
If I did have a checklist, #1 absolutely would be "does not exploit impoverished women". I don't think that should be controversial.

Edited

I wasn’t taken advantage of. Yes some women are taken advantage of by abusive men, but with 3 British women being killed by their British man every week, I don’t think you have the high ground here to claim that it’s men marrying foreign women that are the problem.

Ahugga · 19/04/2024 21:08

KestrelMoon · 19/04/2024 21:07

Where is your proof that all men who marry foreign wives do this? There isn’t any. This discussion is about the men and women who marry where the man happens to be from a richer country than the woman’s country. That includes me.

You don’t want to hear my voice as one of those women IRL because it doesn’t suit your imaginative, dystopian narrative.

Have I ever said "all men who marry foreign wives do this"? Have I ever said that? This is a thread about men who intentionally do it. It's not about anyone else. Don't project.

KestrelMoon · 19/04/2024 21:07

Ahugga · 19/04/2024 18:25

Did your DH travel the world with the sole intention of buying access to you? No? Then we're not talking about you. Stop making the discussion about things it is not about.

Where is your proof that all men who marry foreign wives do this? There isn’t any. This discussion is about the men and women who marry where the man happens to be from a richer country than the woman’s country. That includes me.

You don’t want to hear my voice as one of those women IRL because it doesn’t suit your imaginative, dystopian narrative.

Ahugga · 19/04/2024 21:05

KestrelMoon · 19/04/2024 21:01

What does that have to do with finding a life partner? Do you have some sort of checklist that a man must meet in order to get your approval to marry a foreign woman?

-Does he give donations to UNICEF

what else?

So you're fine with a man only recognizing poverty when he wishes to take advantage of young women? Really?
If I did have a checklist, #1 absolutely would be "does not exploit impoverished women". I don't think that should be controversial.

KestrelMoon · 19/04/2024 21:01

Ahugga · 19/04/2024 20:57

Do these men care about poverty in other countries when there's not a pretty young woman in it for them?

What does that have to do with finding a life partner? Do you have some sort of checklist that a man must meet in order to get your approval to marry a foreign woman?

-Does he give donations to UNICEF

what else?

Ahugga · 19/04/2024 20:57

KestrelMoon · 19/04/2024 20:28

In most cases she is making that choice. You haven’t been paying attention to the poverty rates, the hundreds dying every week due to lack of access to healthcare, or the fact that working class women have extremely limited opportunities.

Do these men care about poverty in other countries when there's not a pretty young woman in it for them?

Ahugga · 19/04/2024 20:54

ThisOldThang · 19/04/2024 19:55

"We don't want these men with nothing to offer thanks."

So we insist our rejects must live lives without love, companionship and sex.

The school bullies have returned to the thread.

Edited

It is not bullying to reject male affection.

KestrelMoon · 19/04/2024 20:28

crumbledog · 19/04/2024 19:55

A working class woman from the uk isn’t making a choice between a life of poverty, with no access to health care, or opportunities though is she ? She’s making a lifestyle decision to marry a man with greater wealth. I would judge a western woman that decided to pursue a rich bloke, instead of the many other opportunities available to her.
A woman from a poor country is making the least worst decision, not at all comparable and not what this thread is about.

In most cases she is making that choice. You haven’t been paying attention to the poverty rates, the hundreds dying every week due to lack of access to healthcare, or the fact that working class women have extremely limited opportunities.

Kittywittywoo · 19/04/2024 20:20

@ahugga

Council rent ? They have to have a certain income before their bride can come here as they have to prove they can support her and yes lots of men do build houses abroad plus a uk state pension goes far in far eastern countries. Most of these old man also gave private pensions too plus a property

missshilling · 19/04/2024 20:07

IcedPurple · 19/04/2024 18:20

Women don't seem to mind marrying older men.

In most cases, they do.

Large age gaps are statistically quite rare. Most women marry men within about 5 years of their own age. A man will usually need to have something special, often but not always money, to attract a much younger wife. That is why, as I said above, you don't see lots of young Norwegian or Swiss women marrying much older foreign men.

I would be interested to see these statistics. They aren’t rare in my family, nor my husband’s.

ThisOldThang · 19/04/2024 20:03

I think your entitlement is off the charts. You think you can dictate who is desirable and who they can match with.

Somebody else posted that they thought a lot of the animosity was due to these men 'cheating the system' and circumventing 'the rules'.

I think they might have a point.

crumbledog · 19/04/2024 19:58

ThisOldThang · 19/04/2024 19:55

"We don't want these men with nothing to offer thanks."

So we insist our rejects must live lives without love, companionship and sex.

The school bullies have returned to the thread.

Edited

Yes. Until they sort out their personality and entitlement issues, they can stay single.

crumbledog · 19/04/2024 19:55

KestrelMoon · 19/04/2024 17:54

Would you say the same about a working class woman marrying an upper class man? Probably not, because she isn’t foreign even though the wealth disparity and often age gap is very similar.

In 30% of U.K. heterosexual marriages, the man is 4 or more years older than the woman. In 7.5% of U.K. heterosexual marriages, the man is 10 or more years older than the woman.

A working class woman from the uk isn’t making a choice between a life of poverty, with no access to health care, or opportunities though is she ? She’s making a lifestyle decision to marry a man with greater wealth. I would judge a western woman that decided to pursue a rich bloke, instead of the many other opportunities available to her.
A woman from a poor country is making the least worst decision, not at all comparable and not what this thread is about.

ThisOldThang · 19/04/2024 19:55

Ahugga · 19/04/2024 18:19

Possessive? I was using "our" (notice the quotation marks) to be concise. We don't want these men with nothing to offer thanks.

"We don't want these men with nothing to offer thanks."

So we insist our rejects must live lives without love, companionship and sex.

The school bullies have returned to the thread.

ArseholeCatIsABlackAndWhiteCat · 19/04/2024 19:08

Funny how all these men can find "love" only with attractive, young women.

Even funnier how some of them (from South America for example) are only 18/19.

Funny how we talk about choices on one hand and on the other describe abysmal conditions. Is that real choice?

Funny how these men are described as "decent, respectful " non mysoginistic men.

It's fucking hilarious really.

MsF1t · 19/04/2024 18:44

My former MIL was from an Asian country and met and older English man who live bombed her. They got married quickly and had three kids in quick succession. In that period of time he became more controlling and insisted they move to the UK- without her teen sons.

Looking in, I'm sure people saw a mutually agreeable situation. However, one they were in the uk he had become all-out abusive. She was completely isolated and put up with it for her kids' sake. Until the day she walked in on him doing something to their 6 week old baby.

She walked straight out with all the kids loaded in one pushchair and managed to get help. She ended up building a life for herself.

It transpired that he was part of a network of paedophiles with an interest in Asian children.

My ex MIL happens to be a very strong, amazing woman. I don't know what the average woman in her position would have done.

Ahugga · 19/04/2024 18:25

KestrelMoon · 19/04/2024 18:12

I know that is what the thread purports to be, but I think it is very xenophobic in tone. Every country has countries richer or poorer than it, and to judge men who marry women from poorer countries as “buying” women, and the women as “selling” their bodies is disgusting. Because that applies to me, a British woman who married an older man from a country richer than the U.K.

I did not “sell” myself and I reject the idea that women from poorer countries marrying British men are selling themselves.

Did your DH travel the world with the sole intention of buying access to you? No? Then we're not talking about you. Stop making the discussion about things it is not about.

IcedPurple · 19/04/2024 18:20

Women don't seem to mind marrying older men.

In most cases, they do.

Large age gaps are statistically quite rare. Most women marry men within about 5 years of their own age. A man will usually need to have something special, often but not always money, to attract a much younger wife. That is why, as I said above, you don't see lots of young Norwegian or Swiss women marrying much older foreign men.

Ahugga · 19/04/2024 18:19

KestrelMoon · 19/04/2024 17:41

I think you may be upset that “your” men are not looking to marry women from their own country? Your attitude is very possessive.

Possessive? I was using "our" (notice the quotation marks) to be concise. We don't want these men with nothing to offer thanks.

Ahugga · 19/04/2024 18:17

BIossomtoes · 19/04/2024 17:09

Still unaffordable if your income barely covers your rent.

I was using hyperbole to illustrate a point. Inadvertently summoned the patron Saint of pensioners. I will learn eventually.

TwigletsAndRadishes · 19/04/2024 18:16

KestrelMoon · 19/04/2024 18:12

I know that is what the thread purports to be, but I think it is very xenophobic in tone. Every country has countries richer or poorer than it, and to judge men who marry women from poorer countries as “buying” women, and the women as “selling” their bodies is disgusting. Because that applies to me, a British woman who married an older man from a country richer than the U.K.

I did not “sell” myself and I reject the idea that women from poorer countries marrying British men are selling themselves.

I agree. It's as if people can't possibly believe that these poor, meek downtrodden little Asian women could possibly have any agency over their own futures and make decisions for themselves. It is xenophobic, insulting and patronising. Yet when the table as turned, as in your situation, no-one makes any of the same assumptions about you, or your motivations.