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To have bought this child school shoes?

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southwing · 20/03/2024 20:57

I will try to be comprehensive and hopefully not drip feed later.

DD’s best friend (let’s call her Sophie) come to playdates and sleep overs very often. They are both in Y1 but different schools.

Sophie’s mum is pregnant and have a toddler and dad work very long hours. I’m good friends with them.

One day I picked up Sophie from her school on a Friday and noticed that her old shoes finally gave in, the soles were open and her socks completely wet.

I then took Sophie and DD to Clarks and bought Sophie a new pair, very similar to the one she had before.

Later that night when her dad came to pick her up, she was wearing the new shoes with DD’s socks and I handed dad the box with the old shoes and the wet socks inside. He asked me how much he owned me and I said it was a gift since Sophie’s birthday was on Sunday. He was very thankful.

We went to Sophie’s birthday on Sunday and brought another little gift we had already bought well in advance. Nothing was said about the shoes.

Roll on to the following week, Sophie’s mum asks me to meet after school on the nearby playground. There she hands me DD’s socks back and says absolutely nothing about the shoes. At all. And she seems crossed for some reason, definetely acting weird.

Now I was not expecting a song and dance nor even another thank you but I find the lack of acknowledgement from her a bit weird. Now she is acting different.

Did I cross a line or is it in my head?

The reasons I gifited the shoe is because

  • it was my idea that I acted upon before consulting them so not fair to ask for money back
  • I know how much they are struggling with CoL, they are very open about it. They are living in a mouldy 1 bedroom flat and fighting against the LL who is talking about eviction
  • I’m in a better position financially and the cost of the shoes will not affect me in any way

I remember when DD was a toddler and I had to buy her shoes from shoezone. My dream was being able to afford a little pair of clarks for her. I used to raid the charity shops but never found the right size. The day I was able to buy DD her very 1st pair of clark shoes was for her 2 year birthday and brought me do much joy!
Doing it for Sophie brought me the same kind of joy. I was genuinely happy to have the opportunity to do it for her.

Should I have done anything differently? I’m thinking maybe texting Sophie’s mum before buying the shoes?

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theduchessofspork · 20/03/2024 21:51

Revelatio · 20/03/2024 21:33

Wow, you are so unreasonable. As you have said choosing shoes is a big deal for you, probably for your friend too. Maybe she wanted to get her different shoes, not the same as before, going shoe shopping is a fun thing to do with your parents at that age.

My toddler has shoes that are about to conk out (they have others, but prefer to knacker out one pair at a time), they wear them for nursery and I’ll get some more accordingly. I would be completely weirded out if someone bought them shoes and had never discussed it with me.

You say you’d be fine with it, but a lot of people here are saying they would not be. Do you generally lack empathy?

No one who can afford shoes lets a small child go about with wet feet. The mother might be embarrassed, but she’s not in a huff about shoe shopping. The OP has said they live in a grotty one bed with small kids - they are skint.

If the OP lacked empathy she’d have hardly bought the kid shoes would she? She did a kind thing, and she handled a tricky situation reasonably well. In the end a child with wet feet has to be prioritised over an embarrassed mum.

AdriftAbroad1 · 20/03/2024 21:50

toe curling

AuntMarch · 20/03/2024 21:49

southwing · 20/03/2024 21:38

Thanks goodness for the way I am and I hope this never changes

You sound less likeable with every post

PrincessTeaSet · 20/03/2024 21:48

Revelatio · 20/03/2024 21:33

Wow, you are so unreasonable. As you have said choosing shoes is a big deal for you, probably for your friend too. Maybe she wanted to get her different shoes, not the same as before, going shoe shopping is a fun thing to do with your parents at that age.

My toddler has shoes that are about to conk out (they have others, but prefer to knacker out one pair at a time), they wear them for nursery and I’ll get some more accordingly. I would be completely weirded out if someone bought them shoes and had never discussed it with me.

You say you’d be fine with it, but a lot of people here are saying they would not be. Do you generally lack empathy?

Clearly choosing shoes isn't a big deal or she wouldn't let her daughter go round in falling apart shoes. Anyway she can still buy her daughter more shoes if she wants.

This is a close friend not a random person. And the family are very poor.

StealthMama · 20/03/2024 21:48

It's a bit odd that you didn't just phone her mum and explain her feet were wet and confirm that you could take her now for new shoes if she wanted you to.

Your post also talks about YOUR joy at buying her shoes which shouldn't even come into it at all.

Practicalities first, you're not her parent and should have discussed with one of her parents first.

They could easily have had new shoes at home that Sophie refused to wear, unless she got the ones SHE wanted which you then went and bought for her.

Lots of innocent situations here as to why a child is wearing broken shoes. But you had assumed parental neglect or irresponsibility and took it on yourself to correct.

Containerhome · 20/03/2024 21:46

Just because someone's open and honest about their financial situation doesn't mean they wouldn't be embarrassed by something like this

You weren't wrong to buy the shoes but empathy goes a long way. I would have pretended they where a spare pare of my dcs. Just because you aren't embarrassed doesn't mean others aren't.

theduchessofspork · 20/03/2024 21:46

Don’t overthink it.

She will be grateful but perhaps a bit embarrassed - so don’t pick at that scab by texting or in anyway continuing the conversation - it isn’t kind.

The only thing you could have done better is not taking the extra gift to her birthday, you’d already bought the shoes so it was OTT.

You did a good thing, now leave it be.

PrincessTeaSet · 20/03/2024 21:45

Myotheripodisayoto · 20/03/2024 21:43

The best way to help people is anonymously or in a way that respects them.

Mail them £100 cash.

Rig a prize draw (pta etc).

Make donations via school and help ensure there are pots of support available there

Fundraise for a trip or opportunity to be funded for all kids.

Encourage community swap events for things like uniform/kids clothes/toys

Give vouchers/cash as birthday gifts.

Buy a service from them - ask them to babysit & pay, if they bake a nice cake ask if you could buy one for a birthday etc. Offer flexible work like ironing or cleaning.

Rigging a prize draw is illegal. Definitely don't do that.

southwing · 20/03/2024 21:44

Revelatio · 20/03/2024 21:33

Wow, you are so unreasonable. As you have said choosing shoes is a big deal for you, probably for your friend too. Maybe she wanted to get her different shoes, not the same as before, going shoe shopping is a fun thing to do with your parents at that age.

My toddler has shoes that are about to conk out (they have others, but prefer to knacker out one pair at a time), they wear them for nursery and I’ll get some more accordingly. I would be completely weirded out if someone bought them shoes and had never discussed it with me.

You say you’d be fine with it, but a lot of people here are saying they would not be. Do you generally lack empathy?

Jezzzz

I said I would be fine with it to show my thought process and mindset that drove my impulsive action.

Did you know that this how human behaves most of the time?

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Myotheripodisayoto · 20/03/2024 21:43

The best way to help people is anonymously or in a way that respects them.

Mail them £100 cash.

Rig a prize draw (pta etc).

Make donations via school and help ensure there are pots of support available there

Fundraise for a trip or opportunity to be funded for all kids.

Encourage community swap events for things like uniform/kids clothes/toys

Give vouchers/cash as birthday gifts.

Buy a service from them - ask them to babysit & pay, if they bake a nice cake ask if you could buy one for a birthday etc. Offer flexible work like ironing or cleaning.

Mum2jenny · 20/03/2024 21:42

southwing you seem to be a very kind person, pls do not stop helping ppl based on the miserable bunch of posters here. Most ppl are responsive to a helping hand. When my dc were little, I’d have been most grateful to someone doing this for one of my little ones.

PrincessTeaSet · 20/03/2024 21:42

Really weird responses on this thread. Surely their first concern should be their child.

To be honest if their child's shoes have fallen apart and she has cold wet feet and they prefer to leave their child like that than accept a kind gift from a friend, they are putting their own pride before their child's welfare.

I mean obviously it's up to a parent to sort their kids shoes but they have failed to do so for whatever reason be it time or money. Next time maybe they will ensure their daughter has decent shoes, if they are really that embarrassed.

If someone did this for me I'd be really grateful. I imagine I'd have to be pretty desperate to send my child to school in broken shoes - certainly not able to afford a new pair, otherwise I'd have bought them already

byteme1011 · 20/03/2024 21:41

Echo @Upinthenightagain some wains just love the old ones! OP, it's not about you and from your posts here you don't seem interested in trying to understand it from the other mum's perspective, hopefully in a few days...

southwing · 20/03/2024 21:41

itmakesmyheart · 20/03/2024 21:31

I just wondered if you were originally from another culture?

The way you wrote your post reminds me of some of the syntax my Lithuanian friend uses when writing.

The reason I ask is because my Lithuanian friend is extremely generous and giving and this seems to be a cultural thing way beyond British social norms. I just wondered if there was a cultural thing at play. British people can be really awkward.

Me and Sophie’s parents are from the same country - not in Europe

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SpringSprungALeak · 20/03/2024 21:40

southwing · 20/03/2024 21:36

So should I have made DD show up empty handed and spoil her excitment of giving her friend the gift she helped choose, buy and wrap BEFORE shoegate?

Really?

@southwing

Some mad posts on here.

it might have embarassed her a bit, but she'll get over it. Sophie will have the school shoes she needed and dry feet 😊

she'll appreciate not having to replace Sophie's school shoes.

ZipZapZoom · 20/03/2024 21:39

I have to admit your posts are coming across as very self centred. Surely you can see why this women feels the way she does and why the tone of the friendship has changed.

Upinthenightagain · 20/03/2024 21:38

Hmmm tricky one. My DD’s trainers are nearly down to the sole. I’ve bought her two other pairs but she loves the old ones so keeps putting them on. I would be mortified in this mum’s situation tbh.

southwing · 20/03/2024 21:38

BeingATwatItsABingThing · 20/03/2024 21:28

Good for you that you weren’t embarrassed. Can you see from this thread that you might be the minority?

Thanks goodness for the way I am and I hope this never changes

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Catsandcuddles · 20/03/2024 21:37

Ok so you sounded lovely but now I'm unsure after your latest post. You shouldn't have bought any shoes at all, why did you need to? Where you going somewhere after school or did you just pick her up and take her back to your home?

Just because YOU may not have felt embarrassed in this situation means nothing, surely you can see you are in a minority, and in fact this would make a lot of parents feel this way.

SpringSprungALeak · 20/03/2024 21:37

Guavafish1 · 20/03/2024 21:26

I think you crossed the line.

I would not talk to you again

Edited

@Guavafish1 massive over reaction

Myotheripodisayoto · 20/03/2024 21:37

I'd have lied tbh. Wouldn't have bought a pair that day, but if I wanted to discretely help I might have got a pair a size up from the old ones, and offered them over saying I'd grabbed them super cheap at an outlet/in the sale but they'd not fit my DC and I was wanting rid of them.

A lady I know once managed to rig a pta competition to ensure a struggling single mum won a full set of new uniform (they'd had the local uniform shop donate it as a prize).

southwing · 20/03/2024 21:36

PennyPugwash · 20/03/2024 21:22

Your heart was absolutely in the right place. I 100% think your mistake was actually bring ANOTHER gift to the party. That took the focus off the shoes being a bday gift and more a charity case...

So should I have made DD show up empty handed and spoil her excitment of giving her friend the gift she helped choose, buy and wrap BEFORE shoegate?

Really?

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Mum2jenny · 20/03/2024 21:35

If a friend had bought a pair of shoes for my dc when they needed a pair, I’d have been v grateful even if embarrassed. But the gratefulness would exceed the embarrassment factor.

mirl · 20/03/2024 21:34

And you clearly do expect something in return. You want both parents to acknowledge your 'generous gift'. You've then come to MN to complain that you weren't fawned over suitably by both parents for a 'gift' they didn't ask for and possibly want or need. Don't you see that?

southwing · 20/03/2024 21:34

One last post from me

I did not expect another thank you
I was confused as to the change in her demenour especially when giving the socks back

Also I mentioned them struggling CoL to illustrate that there is no secret about it - they are very open about it to everyone as they are very fearful of becoming homeless yet very unhappy to be in a 1 bedroom flat covered in damp.

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