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To have bought this child school shoes?

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southwing · 20/03/2024 20:57

I will try to be comprehensive and hopefully not drip feed later.

DD’s best friend (let’s call her Sophie) come to playdates and sleep overs very often. They are both in Y1 but different schools.

Sophie’s mum is pregnant and have a toddler and dad work very long hours. I’m good friends with them.

One day I picked up Sophie from her school on a Friday and noticed that her old shoes finally gave in, the soles were open and her socks completely wet.

I then took Sophie and DD to Clarks and bought Sophie a new pair, very similar to the one she had before.

Later that night when her dad came to pick her up, she was wearing the new shoes with DD’s socks and I handed dad the box with the old shoes and the wet socks inside. He asked me how much he owned me and I said it was a gift since Sophie’s birthday was on Sunday. He was very thankful.

We went to Sophie’s birthday on Sunday and brought another little gift we had already bought well in advance. Nothing was said about the shoes.

Roll on to the following week, Sophie’s mum asks me to meet after school on the nearby playground. There she hands me DD’s socks back and says absolutely nothing about the shoes. At all. And she seems crossed for some reason, definetely acting weird.

Now I was not expecting a song and dance nor even another thank you but I find the lack of acknowledgement from her a bit weird. Now she is acting different.

Did I cross a line or is it in my head?

The reasons I gifited the shoe is because

  • it was my idea that I acted upon before consulting them so not fair to ask for money back
  • I know how much they are struggling with CoL, they are very open about it. They are living in a mouldy 1 bedroom flat and fighting against the LL who is talking about eviction
  • I’m in a better position financially and the cost of the shoes will not affect me in any way

I remember when DD was a toddler and I had to buy her shoes from shoezone. My dream was being able to afford a little pair of clarks for her. I used to raid the charity shops but never found the right size. The day I was able to buy DD her very 1st pair of clark shoes was for her 2 year birthday and brought me do much joy!
Doing it for Sophie brought me the same kind of joy. I was genuinely happy to have the opportunity to do it for her.

Should I have done anything differently? I’m thinking maybe texting Sophie’s mum before buying the shoes?

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WannabeMathematician · 20/03/2024 22:20

Maybe you should have texted her? But in all honesty if doing a nice thing for someone because it brings you joy and is given freely without thought of return becomes a crappy thing to do because it might make someone feel bad we should admit we’re done as a species.

EmilyPlay · 20/03/2024 22:17

You over stepped. Playing lady bountiful probably made you feel good but I expect it made your mate feel like shit.

WaitingForMojo · 20/03/2024 22:16

When I did this (bought new shoes / coat for a child), I passed them off as a pair I bought in the sale for dd to grow into and she’d skipped a size / I was given them and they didn’t fit dd.

southwing · 20/03/2024 22:16

southwing · 20/03/2024 22:14

And who told you they have a car?

Ah
I posted before reading the whole thing, apologies

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BeingATwatItsABingThing · 20/03/2024 22:15

southwing · 20/03/2024 22:14

And who told you they have a car?

And you accused me of trying to be argumentative! 😂

TesticularHeft · 20/03/2024 22:15

You're mates. So ask her! Tell her you didn't mean any offence and you were going anyway.

I would be mortified if someone did this. I've missed DDs shoes giving way before and when I have noticed we've replaced. DD seems to keep the shoes even after the sole flip flops. If someone noticed before me, went to Clark's of all bloody places and wouldn't let me pay I'd be pulling away out of embarrassment and I'm not embarrassed easily.

You need to tell her you didn't mean to overstep.

southwing · 20/03/2024 22:14

takealettermsjones · 20/03/2024 22:13

It's such a weird thing to do, imho. If you want to help a family financially you don't go via their kid. It puts the kid in a strange position as well as the parents. I don't see why you had to replace the shoes at all. They were school shoes, you picked up from school so the parents presumably didn't know the shoes had broken during the day. The dad picked up later, just carry the kid to the car as no shoes, job done. Or if they are walking/getting the bus etc, you text and say "hi, Sophie's shoes gave up today so she's nothing to use for the journey home, do you want to bring her trainers or should I lend her some of DD's?" etc

And who told you they have a car?

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Kalevala · 20/03/2024 22:13

Upinthenightagain · 20/03/2024 21:38

Hmmm tricky one. My DD’s trainers are nearly down to the sole. I’ve bought her two other pairs but she loves the old ones so keeps putting them on. I would be mortified in this mum’s situation tbh.

DS's almost wore through on the sole and had split around the ankle already. He requested the exact same trainers when I offered to buy him new ones after a year. He wears nothing else outside of school so they get plenty of wear. The new ones stayed in the box for another year before he finally let me throw out the old ones. He insisted they were still fine!

takealettermsjones · 20/03/2024 22:13

It's such a weird thing to do, imho. If you want to help a family financially you don't go via their kid. It puts the kid in a strange position as well as the parents. I don't see why you had to replace the shoes at all. They were school shoes, you picked up from school so the parents presumably didn't know the shoes had broken during the day. The dad picked up later, just carry the kid to the car as no shoes, job done. Or if they are walking/getting the bus etc, you text and say "hi, Sophie's shoes gave up today so she's nothing to use for the journey home, do you want to bring her trainers or should I lend her some of DD's?" etc

southwing · 20/03/2024 22:12

BeingATwatItsABingThing · 20/03/2024 22:03

It’s all part of the same thing though. You said you wouldn’t feel embarrassed but there are loads of people on here saying they would feel that way. Rather than acknowledge that your friend might have felt embarrassed and you have overstepped, you’re adamant that you are right in the way you feel. It’s dismissive of others.

You are trying to make an argument that doesn’t exist

As I said I am surprised that so many people here would feel embarassed - I understand now that is how Sophie’s mum might be feeling. I will not lie and say I understand because I dont. I accept. Of course ppl are different. But I dont understand.

I’m sure the dad did not feel embarassed. I saw him face to face and handed him the box. He was thankful and ver ok with it all.

No point not giving the box. Nothing to do with showing off the price. Anyone can find the price online.

Also Sophie can speak. Whatever lie I saud - not that lying even crossed my mind - would be outed by Sophie telling her parents that I took her to the shops to buy a new pair of shoes. Or maybe should I have told Sophie to lie to her parents too?

And I hope that I never change about not feeling embarassed and I’m thankful I’m this way

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FoodieToo · 20/03/2024 22:12

Am sure you meant well but I would be mortified ! My kids have gone out in poor shoes now and then for various reasons ( usually because they LIKE those ones !!!) and if they had come home from a friend's house with new shoes plus box to show they were new I would have been so embarrassed.

If you wanted to help you could have posted them some cash anonymously or similar . It seems very showy also !

itmakesmyheart · 20/03/2024 22:06

I do think there is a difference between having a heart to heart with a friend about a difficult financial situation (for emotional support) and being forced to accept something from them.

When I separated from my H my financial situation was dire initially and caused me anxiety. I confided in a couple of close friends and they offered to lend me money, which I declined as I had money coming in down the line it was just tough in the moment.

It was absolutely lovely of them to offer and I really appreciated it. But if they had bought something for my child that couldn't be refused or returned because my child had worn it it would have upset me.

So, as I say, there's a difference between sharing a problem by talking and forcing an act on someone.

I do not doubt that your motivation came from a lovely place, at all. But you posted looking for answers so I'm just sharing how I would have felt if I were your friend.

Copperkryten · 20/03/2024 22:03

Thing is it feels really shameful to not be able to buy your kids proper shoes.
I used to feel desperately ashamed when I couldn't afford new shoes for them. I would have DIED if a richer mum had done that and expected thanks.

However, an anonymous Clarks voucher would have gone down like a sparkly dream.

BeingATwatItsABingThing · 20/03/2024 22:03

southwing · 20/03/2024 22:00

This comment was about not feeling embarassed about receiving charity - not about gifting shoes

It’s all part of the same thing though. You said you wouldn’t feel embarrassed but there are loads of people on here saying they would feel that way. Rather than acknowledge that your friend might have felt embarrassed and you have overstepped, you’re adamant that you are right in the way you feel. It’s dismissive of others.

Mum2jenny · 20/03/2024 22:01

If a parent sent a child out wearing shoes with known holes in them, and they were then embarrassed by another person supplying shoes without holes, they should be fucking grateful for the replacement shoes. No child should be enforced to wear leaky shoes if there is an alternative available. This must be irrespective of any parental sensibilities

TigBitss · 20/03/2024 22:00

Your heart was in the right place but it's absolutely not your place to buy another child school shoes.

southwing · 20/03/2024 22:00

BeingATwatItsABingThing · 20/03/2024 21:55

Yes. You are perfection and your friend was mightily unreasonable not to bow at your feet for your generosity.

Alternatively, accept that maybe you did embarrass them and, whilst you haven’t experienced this, learn from it.

Why post at all if you weren’t going to listen?

This comment was about not feeling embarassed about receiving charity - not about gifting shoes

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Gunpowder · 20/03/2024 21:59

I know it was an incredibly kind and generous thought but I would have felt so humiliated by this if I was Sophie’s mum. A more sensitive thing would have been to have asked her if she wanted some shoes that were practically new but your daughter wasn’t keen on, or a Clark’s voucher that you had been given and couldnt use. I can understand why she is being off - the power balance in the relationship has changed and she’s gone from feeling like the girls are friends (and you are school mum friends who are on equal terms) to feeling like a charity case who can’t look after her daughter.

SuncreamAndIceCream · 20/03/2024 21:59

I think you did a nice thing OP, I'm sure mum will get over any awkwardness. Just speak to her like you do normally and it will all blow over.

People here seem to be prioritising mum's possible embarrassment over the comfort and dignity of a small child. That's not right. Children should always be the priority in these situations. Good for you OP.

Saz12 · 20/03/2024 21:58

I feel (irrationally!) that buying another child school shoes is hugely insulting. Food, books, toiletries... all fine in a lot of circumstances. School shoes? Absolutely not!!

"She cant even put shoes on her own childs feet"
"Typical cobblers weans"
ETC.

Its irrational, Im not saying otherwise. But maybe ask your friend? Be straight with her - "I'm sorry if I overstepped boundaries, I wanted to do a nice thing. Tell me about why youre angry with me, I want to sort this out".

GreatGateauxsby · 20/03/2024 21:57

look If you posted the same scenario on here and said you left her the wet worn out shoes because you weren’t sure what to do you would get your arse handed to you as well and be told you were unreasonable for letting a child go without.

You did a kind and thoughtful thing but her mum probably IS embarrassed and it’s being displaced as anger at you.

Honestly, our social group is fairly well off so the money is neither her nor there but if this happened to me and another mum felt she (rightly) needed to provide or buy my child shoes because they had holes in I’d be beyond embarrassed that I was failing to meet the most basic needs of my child.

Mum2jenny · 20/03/2024 21:56

Some really unpleasant posters here tonight…

BeingATwatItsABingThing · 20/03/2024 21:55

southwing · 20/03/2024 21:38

Thanks goodness for the way I am and I hope this never changes

Yes. You are perfection and your friend was mightily unreasonable not to bow at your feet for your generosity.

Alternatively, accept that maybe you did embarrass them and, whilst you haven’t experienced this, learn from it.

Why post at all if you weren’t going to listen?

AuntMarch · 20/03/2024 21:55

Yes it was nice to buy shoes, but to hand them the (price marked?) box to make it clear they were brand new and bought specifically, and to not understand why it may have made mum feel a bit uncomfortable is all a bit tone deaf.

I'd probably also not have been able to help but think "thats a food shop I can barely afford and now I feel like I owe it to OP"

HussellRobbs · 20/03/2024 21:54

itmakesmyheart · 20/03/2024 21:31

I just wondered if you were originally from another culture?

The way you wrote your post reminds me of some of the syntax my Lithuanian friend uses when writing.

The reason I ask is because my Lithuanian friend is extremely generous and giving and this seems to be a cultural thing way beyond British social norms. I just wondered if there was a cultural thing at play. British people can be really awkward.

I agree with British awkwardness about these things. In many countries there would be no angst around this at all.

OP, you did a kind thing but as they didn’t seem to have appreciated it, I wouldn’t make these gestures again.

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