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To have bought this child school shoes?

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southwing · 20/03/2024 20:57

I will try to be comprehensive and hopefully not drip feed later.

DD’s best friend (let’s call her Sophie) come to playdates and sleep overs very often. They are both in Y1 but different schools.

Sophie’s mum is pregnant and have a toddler and dad work very long hours. I’m good friends with them.

One day I picked up Sophie from her school on a Friday and noticed that her old shoes finally gave in, the soles were open and her socks completely wet.

I then took Sophie and DD to Clarks and bought Sophie a new pair, very similar to the one she had before.

Later that night when her dad came to pick her up, she was wearing the new shoes with DD’s socks and I handed dad the box with the old shoes and the wet socks inside. He asked me how much he owned me and I said it was a gift since Sophie’s birthday was on Sunday. He was very thankful.

We went to Sophie’s birthday on Sunday and brought another little gift we had already bought well in advance. Nothing was said about the shoes.

Roll on to the following week, Sophie’s mum asks me to meet after school on the nearby playground. There she hands me DD’s socks back and says absolutely nothing about the shoes. At all. And she seems crossed for some reason, definetely acting weird.

Now I was not expecting a song and dance nor even another thank you but I find the lack of acknowledgement from her a bit weird. Now she is acting different.

Did I cross a line or is it in my head?

The reasons I gifited the shoe is because

  • it was my idea that I acted upon before consulting them so not fair to ask for money back
  • I know how much they are struggling with CoL, they are very open about it. They are living in a mouldy 1 bedroom flat and fighting against the LL who is talking about eviction
  • I’m in a better position financially and the cost of the shoes will not affect me in any way

I remember when DD was a toddler and I had to buy her shoes from shoezone. My dream was being able to afford a little pair of clarks for her. I used to raid the charity shops but never found the right size. The day I was able to buy DD her very 1st pair of clark shoes was for her 2 year birthday and brought me do much joy!
Doing it for Sophie brought me the same kind of joy. I was genuinely happy to have the opportunity to do it for her.

Should I have done anything differently? I’m thinking maybe texting Sophie’s mum before buying the shoes?

OP posts:
Channellingsophistication · 20/03/2024 23:53

I think you did a very kind thing, but I think the Mum is embarrassed, but I’m sure she is very grateful.

southwing · 20/03/2024 23:52

saraclara · 20/03/2024 23:47

I hope that what changes is that you can gain some empathy and recognise that not everyone is like you.

Not being uncomfortable about being in receipt of charity, is not the kind of virtue that you seen to think it is.
There were any number of ways that you could have done this more sensitively. Buying expensive Clarks shoes rather than cheap ones or charity shop ones would have been just about okay. Or passing some old ones on. But I'd feel incredibly awkward if a random school parent bought Clarks shoes for my child.

What you did signified that you thought the parents had sent their child out in substandard clothing. You implied substandard parenting. And without asking if it was okay, you bought expensive shoes to replace them. Then handed over the box and packaging to demonstrate your generosity.

You were so far over the line that if you turned round you wouldn't be able to see it. Poor woman.

maybe go back and read ALL my posts and get some empathy yourself?

how about that?

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Okaaaay · 20/03/2024 23:47

I think what you did came from a place of kindness OP, though I think I would have felt embarrassed and a bit judged (though I appreciate that you are in no way judging). But I would have made light of it and thanked you given you did a nice thing.

saraclara · 20/03/2024 23:47

southwing · 20/03/2024 21:38

Thanks goodness for the way I am and I hope this never changes

I hope that what changes is that you can gain some empathy and recognise that not everyone is like you.

Not being uncomfortable about being in receipt of charity, is not the kind of virtue that you seen to think it is.
There were any number of ways that you could have done this more sensitively. Buying expensive Clarks shoes rather than cheap ones or charity shop ones would have been just about okay. Or passing some old ones on. But I'd feel incredibly awkward if a random school parent bought Clarks shoes for my child.

What you did signified that you thought the parents had sent their child out in substandard clothing. You implied substandard parenting. And without asking if it was okay, you bought expensive shoes to replace them. Then handed over the box and packaging to demonstrate your generosity.

You were so far over the line that if you turned round you wouldn't be able to see it. Poor woman.

Ghosttofu99 · 20/03/2024 23:47

The child needed dry socks and shoes so not wrong in that respect. Perhaps it would have been less embarrassing for the parents if you had said they were your DDs spares rather than making a point of having bought them by giving the box etc that’s the only thing that is a bit off about the situation imo.

I think best thing to do if they are genuinely your/dd’s friends is to speak to the mum about it and maybe emphasise that you assumed the shoes had broken at school that day, didn’t want to send her home with no shoes for next day and as you were passing a shoe shop anyway you thought it would be helpful to grab a similar pair as a birthday gift. But in retrospect you are worried that it has come across the wrong way. You want them to know there was no hidden meaning behind it, just a spur of the moment thing.

penjil · 20/03/2024 23:46

I am a giver. I have also bought people gifts, many times.

But sometimes, it's too much for people. They somehow feel indebted, or obliged, or....I don't know what.
Perhaps some people just cannot fathom genuine gists out, if they are not givers themselves.

BobbyBiscuits · 20/03/2024 23:41

It's a kind gesture but they could feel ashamed. It would have been much better to tell them the shoes had failed and can you pick up a cheapish pair to tide her over purely for short term practical reasons? So shoezone/primark rather than Clarks. They could see the pricier shoes and wish that money couldn't gone towards something else. Some people would consider Clarks a waste of money when their feet will grow so quickly. It's a bit like being given a chicken when you can't afford the electric to cook it. They know they can't reciprocate either.

neilyoungismyhero · 20/03/2024 23:39

Shinyandnew1 · 20/03/2024 21:23

My mother in law would take it upon herself to buy my children coats and shoes that she decided they needed…neither the kids or me liked what she chose and then she expected us to be grateful for it. She probably told her friends how wonderful she was for doing it as well. Maybe she’d have posted about it on the internet if she had known how to.

Crikey that's a bit harsh..yes the OP has undoubtedly embarrassed her friend which is unfortunate but she's obviously in a decent financial position and seeing the poor kid in wet socks and holey shoes she did a kind thing.
It's a bit much in my opinion for her friend to be so offhand and rude.

southwing · 20/03/2024 23:37

Lou670 · 20/03/2024 23:29

@southwing Prime example right there 'it gave me joy', yes I picked up on that in your opening post. 'Me', you wanted it to give you joy.

Persecutor as you are not taking on board what the majority of posters are saying or failing to understand why they feel as they do. Taking to a another level, had you noticed Sophie desperately needed a haircut would you have taken it upon yourself to take her to the hairdressers yourself?

I took on board what the majority said though with a caveat that although I’m built differently and dont necessarily ‘understand’ I can now ‘see’ it

I got defensive, yes, at the posts who are unnecessarily obnoxious and judgemental

Of course I wouldn’t take her for a haircut and it is very different than replacing unusable shoes that makes the feet wet and cold - I did not know if Sophie would be able to have a new pair by Monday knowing her parents’ situation but this is only my assumption so I accept the blame for

  • assuming
  • acting on impulse
  • making the wrong decision

But I do still think that some responses here are obnoxiously rude and if trying to make myself and my motives / personality understood also makes me a persecutor than I guess I accept that too

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Lou670 · 20/03/2024 23:36

So what about what went through Sophie's head? So one minute she is being picked up from school and the next minute she is sat in Clarkes having her feet measured for new shoes! Year 1, so 5/6? Old enough to be confused as Mummy usually takes me to buy new shoes.

Noseybookworm · 20/03/2024 23:35

You've overstepped the mark and embarrassed Sophie's mum. You openly admit that it gave you a feeling of joy and satisfaction to buy her new shoes but you didn't stop to think how her mother might feel about that. I'd be pussed off if one of my children's friend's mothers had taken my child to a shoe shop and bought shoes for them without asking me first.

WhateverMate · 20/03/2024 23:33

southwing · 20/03/2024 21:38

Thanks goodness for the way I am and I hope this never changes

Not just Lady Bountiful but Lady Arrogant 🤣🤣

deepgrey · 20/03/2024 23:30

I’m honestly surprise about how many people would feel embarassed / judged / humiliated if the same happened to them…wow. I woud not have any negative feelings at all.

I think this is your problem @southwing. You are only going by your own response, and find it hard to see it from another's perspective.

iwafs · 20/03/2024 23:30

You did a really nice thing

And the mum is, for whatever reason, off with you.

Do a good thing, get a smack in the face. Typical for Britain I'm afraid. What I really don't understand though, is why people then wonder why nobody wants to do a good thing anymore.

Lou670 · 20/03/2024 23:29

@southwing Prime example right there 'it gave me joy', yes I picked up on that in your opening post. 'Me', you wanted it to give you joy.

Persecutor as you are not taking on board what the majority of posters are saying or failing to understand why they feel as they do. Taking to a another level, had you noticed Sophie desperately needed a haircut would you have taken it upon yourself to take her to the hairdressers yourself?

JPGR · 20/03/2024 23:28

If someone has bought my child shoes I would feel extremely patronised by that person who obviously felt I was too poor to clothe my child properly. It’s a pride thing. I’m not surprised she was off with you. We aren’t talking about treating the kid to some hair clips we are talking about Clark’s shoes which are about £40! Who does that.

southwing · 20/03/2024 23:23

Lou670 · 20/03/2024 23:15

From a psychological perspective I agree with you being in the 'rescuer' position here and then when your efforts are not rewarded or acknowledged enough for your liking you slip in to the other roles.

Rescuers in life and that personality type are usually doing it to fulfill a need within themselves, usually down to fact that in the past they have wanted to have been rescued and were not. Although you appear to be helping another, you are in fact helping yourself and fulfilling a need within you, whether that is to be shown gratification, to boost your ego, to want to be the saviour, to want to be liked. There is always a reason why 'rescuers' behave as they do.

It gave me joy, the same joy I had when DD was 2 and I bought her clarks for the 1st time.
Is in the OP.
I’m self aware enough, I know my rescuer tendencies and been working on it

Disagree with the persecution part as I’m not criticising Sophie’s mum and did not expect another thank you but know for a fact she was acting weird and thought it was linked to the shoes because of the weird vibe when she gave me the socks back

Genuinely surprised anyone would feel embarassed let alone a good friend but yes I now see it and it is perhaps confirmed that I read the situation correctly and she is probably indeed feeling uncomfortable judging by the majority of responses here

Anyway, hope Sophie keep enjoying the shoes she chose herself and lessons learned

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Jellycatspyjamas · 20/03/2024 23:21

I would have felt very embarrassed if someone bought shoes for my child, while it came from a good place I would feel an unspoken criticism that I couldn’t provide for my child and I’d struggle to know how to respond.

Maddy70 · 20/03/2024 23:17

Yoy had already been thanked. Do you expect her to fawn all over your generous gift ? It was very generous but you were thanked already?

Lou670 · 20/03/2024 23:15

From a psychological perspective I agree with you being in the 'rescuer' position here and then when your efforts are not rewarded or acknowledged enough for your liking you slip in to the other roles.

Rescuers in life and that personality type are usually doing it to fulfill a need within themselves, usually down to fact that in the past they have wanted to have been rescued and were not. Although you appear to be helping another, you are in fact helping yourself and fulfilling a need within you, whether that is to be shown gratification, to boost your ego, to want to be the saviour, to want to be liked. There is always a reason why 'rescuers' behave as they do.

southwing · 20/03/2024 23:14

whatsitcalledwhen · 20/03/2024 23:07

@southwing

You asked:

Did I cross a line or is it in my head?

Should I have done anything differently? I’m thinking maybe texting Sophie’s mum before buying the shoes?

The vast majority of people said they felt you did cross a line and should have handled it differently.

You've responded in a very defensive and quite antagonistic way and I'm unsure why, considering you proactively asked the question did you cross the line and should you have handled it differently.

If you take a step back can you try to see that you've simply had your question answered? It's odd to ask it then be so annoyed with the responses.

Empathy isn't about imagining that everyone should respond how you would, it's understanding why other people might react differently and respecting their reaction.

You kept using the fact that you would have been fine with it as a reason your choice wasn't well received by many people on this thread, rather than taking on board the fact that most of them told you they wouldn't have liked it either.

Twice I explained that the fact I would have been fine is what drove my impulsive decision to do what I did - my actons were not driven by rather virtue signalling. showing off money, humiliating someone as has been suggested

That is normally what humans do

I never said I’m right and Sophie’s mum and everyone else are wrong

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sleekcat · 20/03/2024 23:12

It was a lovely gesture, but the other mum probably felt really embarrassed. A pair of shoes is an essential and she probably felt rubbish knowing you thought she couldn't provide them for her daughter. It sounds as though the dynamics between you have changed somewhat because of it.

Once I was in a shop and forgot my purse but it was only in the car. A lady behind me insisted on paying for my stuff but I didn't really want her to. I said it was fine, I will just run back to the car but she said 'I want to and I can so I will'. Then she tapped her card and paid and I didn't have any choice in the matter. I felt pretty weird about it, like she might have thought I was struggling or something. Or maybe she just wanted me to hurry up!

In your situation maybe you can just bring it up and say you hope she was ok with you buying the shoes.

southwing · 20/03/2024 23:10

whatsitcalledwhen · 20/03/2024 23:07

@southwing

You asked:

Did I cross a line or is it in my head?

Should I have done anything differently? I’m thinking maybe texting Sophie’s mum before buying the shoes?

The vast majority of people said they felt you did cross a line and should have handled it differently.

You've responded in a very defensive and quite antagonistic way and I'm unsure why, considering you proactively asked the question did you cross the line and should you have handled it differently.

If you take a step back can you try to see that you've simply had your question answered? It's odd to ask it then be so annoyed with the responses.

Empathy isn't about imagining that everyone should respond how you would, it's understanding why other people might react differently and respecting their reaction.

You kept using the fact that you would have been fine with it as a reason your choice wasn't well received by many people on this thread, rather than taking on board the fact that most of them told you they wouldn't have liked it either.

One of my posts was ‘lesson learned’

I get annoyed at the unnecessary rude and judgemental comments

But this AIBU so should have known better

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rosygirl14 · 20/03/2024 23:08

Personally, I don’t think you’ve overstepped the mark at all and think what you’ve done is lovely.
Clark’s shoes last for a good amount of time and are of good quality, not to mention they would fit her feet much better due to the sizing and widths on offer.
What is the issue with spending a little extra rather than just going to Tesco’s as other replies suggest? At least you know the Clark shoes are actually being used every day and fit perfect to the feet, unlike a random cheap pair of shoes that would most likely be chucked!

It’s £40 at the end of the day. I wouldn’t class these as expensive shoes, nor something to be embarrassed over being given. Why should OP lie? I really don’t see the issue. They are friends, that’s what you do for friends.
I think it was such a kind gesture.

whatsitcalledwhen · 20/03/2024 23:07

@southwing

You asked:

Did I cross a line or is it in my head?

Should I have done anything differently? I’m thinking maybe texting Sophie’s mum before buying the shoes?

The vast majority of people said they felt you did cross a line and should have handled it differently.

You've responded in a very defensive and quite antagonistic way and I'm unsure why, considering you proactively asked the question did you cross the line and should you have handled it differently.

If you take a step back can you try to see that you've simply had your question answered? It's odd to ask it then be so annoyed with the responses.

Empathy isn't about imagining that everyone should respond how you would, it's understanding why other people might react differently and respecting their reaction.

You kept using the fact that you would have been fine with it as a reason your choice wasn't well received by many people on this thread, rather than taking on board the fact that most of them told you they wouldn't have liked it either.