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AIBU to feel that some parents just want their children at Uni even if its a BS degree

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DistinguishedSocialCommentator · 19/03/2024 20:57

Hello
I come from a background/culture where education is seen as very important and going to a university is a must (My parents came to England in 1962)

Yes, more and more jobs are seeking degrees and often even when not necessary. There are many professions where you must have a degree to join the course training

However, what I and my family call BS degrees, to name but a few

Arts
Studio Fine arts
Arth History
Business studies
Exercise Science
Fashion

I cant see what jobs they will get as there must be other routes, less intensive and extensive to get the job they want

When I've talked about mickey-mouse degrees at parties etc and not be aware that some parents children or they may have studied them, they start to defend the indefensible.
The biggest bS degree is 'Politics' - WTH!! Sadly, we know a few people whose children have done that and ended up running the family shop/business - total waste of a degree

There are other degrees just as crappy - they should be banned IMO

AIBU to think these degrees are a waste of time and often do not aid the person into a job in that field?

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CHEESEY13 · 20/03/2024 18:20

Furthermore, how many kiddies have been "pushed" towards university by Mums and Dads determined to be able to brag to the neighbours "......and the very first in our family to go to university!"

It doesn't matter what they study - anything - it's the perceived social cachè that matters, innit Ma & Pa?

LlynTegid · 20/03/2024 18:18

I may not agree with all the degrees you have listed, but think that too many people go to university, too many jobs require a degree for little or no reason, and it has created a divide at 18 replacing that which existed last century at age 11.

Requiring a degree when it is of little value and not required for a job is also a form of indirect discrimination in a way.

AngryWhenNoCake · 20/03/2024 18:18

There's literally no such thing as a BS degree. They are all hard work, they all have transferable skills, they all take commitment to get a good mark. You and your family clearly do not value education, you value capitalism and the desire to make money.

vodkaredbullgirl · 20/03/2024 18:18

🤔DM AGAIN great source 😁

CHEESEY13 · 20/03/2024 18:13

Years ago, I worked in an office where we had a young guy who was on a gap year whilst intending to go to university to do "Meeja Studies." Once, I joked "oh, you going to be producing 'Newsnight' then, Kevin?" whereupon he looked me straight in the eye and solemnly said "Oh, yes!" Bloody Hell, he meant it.

He came back, eventually, with the aforesaid degree - to work in his father's upholstery firm. It seems the BBC had it's quota of producers.......

stayathomer · 20/03/2024 18:12

None of it matters- whether you get an ‘acceptable’ (in your eyes) or ‘unacceptable’ degree, it’s what the person decides to do as a result of/ with it that matters. I did a science degree where we all filed off into ‘good’ jobs that a huge amount of us left. Out of our year less than a half are In related jobs at all, and we should have been braver and done something where we would have ploughed on and found something we could do for the love of it. I kind of take your point in that now I’m telling my sons work, do apprenticeships or go to university/college, don’t do a course for the sake of being in college

ElaineMBenes · 20/03/2024 18:12

@DistinguishedSocialCommentator are you deliberately ignoring me?

Please stop making wild assumptions about degree outcomes when you've not engaged with the data.

DistinguishedSocialCommentator · 20/03/2024 18:12

mimbleandlittlemy · 20/03/2024 18:09

Rishi Sunak studied PPE. Which is Politics, Philosophy & Economics. What was it you said about Politics, OP? Oh yes...

"The biggest bS degree is 'Politics' - WTH!! Sadly, we know a few people whose children have done that and ended up running the family shop/business - total waste of a degree"

And look where we are with hyper inflation

Have you seen food prices, energy prices? Have you seen the mortgage rates?

You definitely don't need a degree to become a good, honest and sincere politician and that is a fact

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mimbleandlittlemy · 20/03/2024 18:11

And citing either the Prime Minister or the Daily Mail is almost asserting the equivalent of Godwin's Law, frankly.

ElaineMBenes · 20/03/2024 18:11

IMO, degrees that rarely get you a job or seen as useless degrees should have a cap as stated by our PM

Again, a reliable source would be appreciated.
That sensationalist headline does not tell the full story or take into account current HE policy.

DistinguishedSocialCommentator · 20/03/2024 18:10

Daisy12Maisie · 20/03/2024 18:06

My brother did business studies and earns a lot of money managing a business now. I'm sure he could have worked his way up but it would have taken a lot longer. So I don't think business studies is a Mickey Mouse degree.

Thank you for sharing and I'm pleased it worked out for your brother. However, I'm standing by my OP, plus Media Studies as more often than not a waste of time and money.

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mimbleandlittlemy · 20/03/2024 18:09

DistinguishedSocialCommentator · 20/03/2024 18:03

Don't take my word for it. People do have varying opinions re what is a decent degree and what is a bS degree.
Uni's are wanting to make money and IMO they are not doing everyone favour especially if someone ends up in massive debt and a degree that does not really help them into a job they really wanted as those jobs are few and far between

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12304961/PM-vows-curb-rip-degrees-Universities-face-cap-students-poor-career-prospects.html

Rishi Sunak studied PPE. Which is Politics, Philosophy & Economics. What was it you said about Politics, OP? Oh yes...

"The biggest bS degree is 'Politics' - WTH!! Sadly, we know a few people whose children have done that and ended up running the family shop/business - total waste of a degree"

PlanningTowns · 20/03/2024 18:09

I did my undergrad in the 90’s, I was told then that we would be on of the final cohorts to go through not needing a masters for most professional careers. That must blow your mind OP!

I work in local government and most in my profession do indeed have masters qualifications. Many have more than one post grad (as I do).

I’m currently recruiting to a lower level role, of those who applied 80% had a degree of those 50% had masters degrees and there were 2 phd’s. Minimum requirement was a degree or equivalent experience.

I'm sure if you saw the title of my undergrad you’d term it BS - but that’s your ignorance, not mine.

JennyBeanR · 20/03/2024 18:08

UnimaginableWindBird · 19/03/2024 21:07

It's ridiculous!.I even know parents who encourage their children to go to university to qualify as solicitors or accountants or engineers, when they could just get an apprenticeship. What a waste!

It's no easy to get an apprenticeship. They are sometimes highly competitive with few placements available. University is another route in.

DistinguishedSocialCommentator · 20/03/2024 18:08

slore · 20/03/2024 00:00

You're not being unreasonable about pointless crappy degrees, but most of the degrees you listed are not examples of that, at all. Exercise science is even a STEM subject, that often leads to careers directly related to it!

The only one I'm dubious about on your list is Fashion, but that may be because I know little about it.

I do think people should stick to degrees where it will clearly be needed and useful in future employment (and help you make a worthwhile contribution to society). So although art history is valid, I can't see the point unless you specifically want to be an art teacher, or gallery curator etc. STEM, law, and vocational degrees are usually best.

Of the well known subjects, I think Philosophy is a pretentious load of wank. There's plenty that fit your criteria, like Media Studies, Creative Writing, Gender Studies, etc.

Thank you for sharing. You make many valid points.

I hate seeing people wasting money and possibly ending up with a big debt even before they get a job.

IMO, degrees that rarely get you a job or seen as useless degrees should have a cap as stated by our PM

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ElaineMBenes · 20/03/2024 18:07

DistinguishedSocialCommentator · 20/03/2024 18:03

Don't take my word for it. People do have varying opinions re what is a decent degree and what is a bS degree.
Uni's are wanting to make money and IMO they are not doing everyone favour especially if someone ends up in massive debt and a degree that does not really help them into a job they really wanted as those jobs are few and far between

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12304961/PM-vows-curb-rip-degrees-Universities-face-cap-students-poor-career-prospects.html

You're using the Daily Mail as a source of information 😂😂😂
Oh OP.....

Yes universities want to make money but they won't do that by offering degrees with poor graduate outcomes.
Have you any idea how validating a degree programme works? .... no need to answer. It's pretty obvious.

woahhhh · 20/03/2024 18:07

Navyblueblazer · 20/03/2024 16:12

Another example is Investment Banking, one of the highest paid jobs in the UK. The usual route is via being an financial analyst. It's also necessary to have a degree with significant financial components.

"As you consider continuing professional development (CPD) and studying for further investment banker qualifications, you can enrol onto the Chartered Financial Analyst (CFA) programme.
To be eligible for this internationally renowned investment management qualification (equivalent to a Masters), you'll need a degree, four years' professional work experience or a combination of work and study totalling four years".

You don't really know what you are talking about do you.

Investment banks recruit from top universities due their graduate programmes.

They do not specify subject but there is usually a mix of economics, history, modern languages, PPE, English, sciences, accounting and finance, psychology. Basically the university is more important than the degree.

JennyBeanR · 20/03/2024 18:07

You surely have met personal trainers? Well that's exercise science.

Ever been to see a play or a musical? Who do you think designs the sets? That's just one possibility from an art degree.

You're using a computer or mobile phone? Likely sold by a business...you get the idea here I suspect.

It's the same for the other degrees you posted. There are countless job opportunities from them, some more high paying than others, but almost certainly jobs, and plenty of them.

Daisy12Maisie · 20/03/2024 18:06

My brother did business studies and earns a lot of money managing a business now. I'm sure he could have worked his way up but it would have taken a lot longer. So I don't think business studies is a Mickey Mouse degree.

SignoraVolpe · 20/03/2024 18:06

FlissyPaps · 20/03/2024 18:01

God I’d be depressed as fuck if you were my mother.

😂

Anyone with the MN name @DistinguishedSocialCommentator is going to be difficult to take seriously imo.
Her dc are probably chuckling behind her back whilst subbing the poor dentist sibling!

DistinguishedSocialCommentator · 20/03/2024 18:05

orangeleopard · 20/03/2024 07:07

I went to uni for photography. It was brilliant in terms of learning and education, but in terms of progressing in a career in the arts - it’s impossible without money and connections. The people on my course who done well after graduation were not the most talented, but the people who had family connections and family money. Family money is important to when buying equipment, setting up a business and most importantly can afford to be in a loss when starting up or even on the months you have a lack of business - the family money can make the shortfall. Unfortunately a lot of ordinary folk like me, who without being big headed have the nack for the craft, end up losing out to people who have no talent but the finances to cover for them. Look at Brooklyn Beckham for example, his photography book was atrocious yet still got to produce it.

Excellent example. Many thanks for sharing and wishing you all of the best.

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Piggywaspushed · 20/03/2024 18:04

So... I just looked up orthodontics and found this...

Orthodontics is the highest paid dentist job in the UK, with orthodontists earning an average annual salary of £115,000

HighLlamas · 20/03/2024 18:03

FlissyPaps · 20/03/2024 18:01

God I’d be depressed as fuck if you were my mother.

Are you the dentist ‘failure’ who is outearned by his/her siblings? Shame on you for not making more money. It’s almost as if you are an art history graduate.😀

DistinguishedSocialCommentator · 20/03/2024 18:03

Don't take my word for it. People do have varying opinions re what is a decent degree and what is a bS degree.
Uni's are wanting to make money and IMO they are not doing everyone favour especially if someone ends up in massive debt and a degree that does not really help them into a job they really wanted as those jobs are few and far between

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12304961/PM-vows-curb-rip-degrees-Universities-face-cap-students-poor-career-prospects.html

PM vows to curb 'rip-off' degrees

In a crackdown on poor-quality degrees, caps will be placed on the numbers who can be recruited on to courses that are 'not worth the paper they're written on'.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12304961/PM-vows-curb-rip-degrees-Universities-face-cap-students-poor-career-prospects.html

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DigitalDust · 20/03/2024 18:03

ElaineMBenes · 20/03/2024 17:51

Arth is Welsh for bear - is the history of bears a BA or a BSc, I wonder? 😂
Ooooh you'd offer both. One that focused on the evolution and biology of bears (BSc) and one that focused on bears in history, literature, art and mythology 😂😂

There’s a practical art link as well - the art of illustration!