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Lalalalala555 · 19/03/2024 09:35

Hey.
Looking to see what is considered 'fair' from external perspective.

Ive gota holiday cottage booked for three nights. Fr Sa Su.
Invited friends (two couples).
It sleeps 6.
So theres me and my partner, and then two other couples invited.

We posted in a group chat saying how much it would be each if they wanted to come.
We have done it so that its a set amount, as the cost of the cottage is fixed as booked already and non refundable.

We said it would be 110 each for them.
For my partner and i we decided we would pay a bit more (124).

After posting in the group, one of the other couples want to pay less as they dont want to stay the third night.
They want to pay 2/3 of the cost of 1/6 of the total (if that makes sense).

Its tricky for what is fair. As if they pay 80 instead each, then it means its 200+ each for my partner and I.

Its this wanting to pay for how much someone will be present at the property vs there is already a fixed cost.

Obviously it benefits them to pay less. And us if they pay more.

I don't feel its entirely fair that we would have to pay 3* the amount they pay, for choosing to stay an extra night.
They also will benefit from not having to check out at 10am on the Sunday, which would be the case should the cottage have been booked fri and sat only.

There was no clear consultation in making the booking, we did it after having had a few casual chats about the weekend but not with group consensus. As we are attending an event and the local accommodation had sold out. This one place came up months after so we just booked it.
Hence why we offered it for being cheaper for them.
We didnt know how long they would stay, but they had the option to decide what works best.

Thanks!

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Whereareallthemillionaires · 19/03/2024 16:46

We do group holidays every year and have been for nearly 20 years now.
People do come and go or sometimes have had to cancel through illness but everyone pays the same amount irrespective of how long they stay.

Occasionally we have been able to organise for someone different to take an empty room for one night and they give some money to the person that could stay the full amount of time but that’s an arrangement between them.

I wouldn’t necessarily suggest this just in case they chose someone you don’t know but you could ask around yourself or ask the other couple staying for the full time if they know someone who wants a one night stay.

If not, then it’s unfair I think to pay in bits and pieces, the room is there for them for the period of the let if they want it.

Lalalalala555 · 19/03/2024 16:44

This thread has been helpful.
Think every is 'resolved' for now.

In that got the answer to what price is fair.
And got the answer in how to formulate response with nice words /logic.

Thanks so much.
Have a nice evening everyone.

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idontlikealdi · 19/03/2024 16:41

I'm unsure why you would dictate how long, where, when and expense without consultation. If they don't want to go then that's fine.

TBH they sound skint if they share a meal when they go out etc.

WimbyAce · 19/03/2024 16:41

Sounds like you were being more than fair tbh. I bet they'd have hung round most of the day Sunday too so get the benefit and only paying 2 nights.

Lalalalala555 · 19/03/2024 16:40

Roryhon · 19/03/2024 16:38

I’m really skinny at the moment but I wouldn’t dream of doing this to friends! But I’ve learned that I never book anything until I have everyone’s money in advance. You just can’t depend on people!

Have you heard from the other couple yet? They might feel a bit stuck in the middle.

Hopefully it works out fine.
Have sent them the gpt maths and said we'd love them to be there but understand if not. Kinda thing.
And can they let us know either way.

I know they can 'afford' to go, so it's more the reason will be something else.
Either they wanted it cheaper because it feels unfair, or they just want to pay as little as possible, or trying to find an excuse not to come. Or something i havent thought of.

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PinkyFlamingo · 19/03/2024 16:38

Sorry I've maybe misunderstood do you mean you told them it would be for 3 nights?

Roryhon · 19/03/2024 16:38

I’m really skinny at the moment but I wouldn’t dream of doing this to friends! But I’ve learned that I never book anything until I have everyone’s money in advance. You just can’t depend on people!

Have you heard from the other couple yet? They might feel a bit stuck in the middle.

PinkyFlamingo · 19/03/2024 16:37

Lalalalala555 · 19/03/2024 12:55

Yes. But did say they can choose to come or not.
And said how much it would be.

I know but surely agreeing how many nights is pretty fundamental?

rookiemere · 19/03/2024 16:34

@Stormyweathr regarding the paying for DCs when splitting villa costs, you see it on here all the time. Some people genuinely believe that DCs shouldn't count or should pay half what an adult does, which is frankly bizarre as the rental cost is not influenced by age of occupants.When we have split holidays it's always been about number of rooms used regardless of age of occupant.

Somewhat unrelated to OP but allows her to open the wine 🍷.

Lalalalala555 · 19/03/2024 16:33

rookiemere · 19/03/2024 16:28

I don't get the Maths logic on this. Surely its 6 people x 3 nights so £42 per share ?

If its straight out everyone pays same it's 740/6 irrespective of stay. 123.33pp.
We offered 110 (not knowing how long people would stay and knowing we'd booked somewhere without seeing if people would like it so basically hoping people would be keen)

Chat gpt maths is total number of stays is 7 couple nights.
>> 740/7 = £ per couple night
~ 105

We offered 200per couple for whole stay.
:)

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learnandlive · 19/03/2024 16:32

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PrinceLouisWeirdFinger · 19/03/2024 16:31

I would do a cheery thumbs and say, ‘No worries, I’m sure we’ll catch up [at event] anyway’.

And then step right back. You’ve broken no bridges, and you’ve left the door open on friendship. They’ll no doubt come crawling back on a day or two when they can’t find any accommodation and then you can say, ‘Sorry, Mildred and Gilbert have taken it’.

learnandlive · 19/03/2024 16:29

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Lalalalala555 · 19/03/2024 16:28

Sweetheart7 · 19/03/2024 16:22

It reads as though you have booked this and then offered the idea "who wants to come along". I wouldn't do this again no idea what's best going forward!

Thanks.
At this point i think a glass of wine.
Thanks for taking time to reply.
:)

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rookiemere · 19/03/2024 16:28

WorriedMumofTeen16 · 19/03/2024 15:50

So the cost is 740. 6 people staying both Fri and Sat and 2 people staying sun. 14 "shares" if you like. £52.86 pppn or £107.72 per couple per night.

So your offer of £100 was reasonable. Sorry they're being arsey about it

I don't get the Maths logic on this. Surely its 6 people x 3 nights so £42 per share ?

Ophy83 · 19/03/2024 16:28

Lalalalala555 · 19/03/2024 12:29

There is
A kingsize room
A double room
Two singles.

My partner an I said wed take the singles as we booked it.
To try and be nice.
And we said wed pay more, because we booked it without you know having a group consensus on the place.
And then asked if they'd come.

Weve been talking about going for maybe 4-6 months before booking.
Just not solidified details.

If you end up paying way more than everyone else make it very clear you get the best room!

I would divide the total price by numbers of nights - in total there are 14 sleeps (6 people for 2 nights then 2 people for 1 night). £688/14 is just under £50 each per night. So your offer of £100 is completely fair

Stormyweathr · 19/03/2024 16:27

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Exactly they thought nothing of it though and just assumed I would be ok with me paying for all the kids as well

mine physically couldn’t come due to the dates and them already being away with their dad

Lalalalala555 · 19/03/2024 16:26

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I wish life was that simple.

Its relatives of my OH that are involved.
In this instance, its not the same as inviting my own direct friends.

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123sunshine · 19/03/2024 16:23

I would go back to them all and say you have given the situation some thought and there has obviously ben some miscommunications. In hindsight you would have all been better booking into a hotel so everyone pays fairly for the nights they are able to come. The current costings are not fair and you can't sublet the room out to someone else for the 1 night it isn't being used. Explain you don't want to create any ill feeling but think it best we cancel the holiday. Then hopefully you can find some friends to fill the empty rooms and have a holiday with them. ALternativel suck up the whole cost and have a lot of space justt he two of you! On principle I would not be subsidising others holidays. I had a similar experience several years ago with a group of women all wanting to arrange a group 3 nights away for milestone birthdays. Slowly but surely we get messages of, sorry can't commit to all 3 nights, I'll just grab some floor space (and not pay). Or I can come for 2 nights so will pay for just 2 , expecting others to subsidise them. When I suggested a hotel where people could pay for the nights they wanted/needed, that didn't go down well with the freeloaders. I just wished them all a great holiday together, but the terms didn't really work for me as it wasn't fair so wouldn't join them. Low and behold the trip never happened.
Cam't stand tight freeloader people.

Stormyweathr · 19/03/2024 16:23

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Originally it was no children. This was close family btw, they discussed babysitters etc without me (as I didn’t need a babysitter for mine) they then decided they would all bring the children instead to save the hassle of organising childcare, some of the children were grown up as well ages varied from 2-21 but even the grown children the organisers decided wouldn’t be paying and they just gave me a price, once I found out all the kids were going I just declined. I was livid though

they probably didn’t think anything of it as every single one of them had kids and even the ones with grown kids then said oh well my grown kids can come if we are splitting the cost

EasterBunnny · 19/03/2024 16:23

OP the couple have said they aren’t going, I’d leave it at that.

Sweetheart7 · 19/03/2024 16:22

It reads as though you have booked this and then offered the idea "who wants to come along". I wouldn't do this again no idea what's best going forward!

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Lalalalala555 · 19/03/2024 16:21

pavedwithgoodintentions · 19/03/2024 16:06

I wouldn't worry at all about 'moving forwards'.

They chose this. They tried to get you to even more heavily subsidise their weekend away unfairly, and then stropped and threw their toys out of the pram when you wouldn't. That's on them, not you.

Frankly, I'd be kind of hoping that both couples would now pull out so you can invite some decent friends to join you and enjoy your weekend with people who are selfish and rude.

I just want it to work out so that everyone is happy and everything is fair.
Hopefully it will.
:)

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