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Lalalalala555 · 19/03/2024 09:35

Hey.
Looking to see what is considered 'fair' from external perspective.

Ive gota holiday cottage booked for three nights. Fr Sa Su.
Invited friends (two couples).
It sleeps 6.
So theres me and my partner, and then two other couples invited.

We posted in a group chat saying how much it would be each if they wanted to come.
We have done it so that its a set amount, as the cost of the cottage is fixed as booked already and non refundable.

We said it would be 110 each for them.
For my partner and i we decided we would pay a bit more (124).

After posting in the group, one of the other couples want to pay less as they dont want to stay the third night.
They want to pay 2/3 of the cost of 1/6 of the total (if that makes sense).

Its tricky for what is fair. As if they pay 80 instead each, then it means its 200+ each for my partner and I.

Its this wanting to pay for how much someone will be present at the property vs there is already a fixed cost.

Obviously it benefits them to pay less. And us if they pay more.

I don't feel its entirely fair that we would have to pay 3* the amount they pay, for choosing to stay an extra night.
They also will benefit from not having to check out at 10am on the Sunday, which would be the case should the cottage have been booked fri and sat only.

There was no clear consultation in making the booking, we did it after having had a few casual chats about the weekend but not with group consensus. As we are attending an event and the local accommodation had sold out. This one place came up months after so we just booked it.
Hence why we offered it for being cheaper for them.
We didnt know how long they would stay, but they had the option to decide what works best.

Thanks!

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Lalalalala555 · 19/03/2024 13:10

LyingWitchInTheWardrobe · 19/03/2024 13:04

That poster is being obnoxious, OP, ignore them.

I hadn't appreciated that it's your family; that's very difficult to manoeuvre around. Did you sort out who will be paying for food/drinks whilst you're there?

Hey thanks for the support.
Internet is not always filled with kindness and helpfulness so was well prepared to get some insults and stuff from this post.

Just really here to try to see all sides of the picture. Because I see it from my perspective and moral compass. But an average of overall opinions is super helpful to tell if I'm off whack and didnt realise. Or not. See if I've missed anything.

I dont like drama or falling out with people. And its hard sometimes to decide where to draw lines and boundaries. And if they are or could be put in fairer places.

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Yes its my partners family. Sibling and wife.
I'd assume everyone would split things over the number of people there.
Although at restaurants, those guys like to pay for what they have only. And usually order one meal between two.

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mitogoshi · 19/03/2024 13:09

Negotiate, say as you can stay all day on the Sunday, how about £100 each

Silvers11 · 19/03/2024 13:09

@Lalalalala555 Sorry - we cross-posted. So you can't cancel 😢 Glad you are still going and hopefully you will enjoy your time

Silvers11 · 19/03/2024 13:07

Lalalalala555 · 19/03/2024 12:55

Update:
We offered to split it 100pp and then my partner and i pay 170pp.
But they said no.
If theyre not paying 80 ish theyre not coming.
And so now they've said they're not coming.

Fine without me.
But now nervous about if they are fine or actually quite pissed off.
And biggest concern if my partner is okay.
And also if they say mean things about me to my partner.

What fun.

Hopefully everyone reading this is learning from my experience.

@Lalalalala555

I am so sorry, they weren't even up to any kind of negotiation. Does that mean the third couple won't be able to come either, if they were relying on a lift from couple 2?

Do you have time to find other friends who might like to come instead? Or can you cancel the break and just lose your deposit? Or have you paid the whole thing already?

At least you know for future that you need to get full agreement from everyone involved, when organising anything - even with family - and then get their share of any cash before you book. Not much help now though

You were trying to be helpful and do something nice, as the cottage might have been lost if you had waited and it's backfired on you. Feel for you

Scaffoldingisugly · 19/03/2024 13:07

Tell them you are all leaving at the same time. See if they are genuinely nice people they will agree to the 3 way split. If they aren't bin them

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Peaceandquietwithmydog · 19/03/2024 13:06

They are still benefiting from not having to rush off on the Sunday by 10am and general clearing up so I think they should pay the same amount.

Lalalalala555 · 19/03/2024 13:06

Everyone saying can you cancel.
Effectively no. We can cancel but get no refund so its not really an option. Because will go and make the most if it and have a nice trip.

Just shame how it panned out really.
We made it clear it was the only place left in the town to book, so just went for it otherwise we wouldn't have had a place.

I can understand people saying no if they change they're mind and don't want to come. Its just this thing where we said how much, and they try to get it to what they want. And we budge a bit and theyre not happy and would rather not come if its not the price they want to pay.

Life.

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LyingWitchInTheWardrobe · 19/03/2024 13:04

Lalalalala555 · 19/03/2024 12:59

Im not sure if you're trying to be mean? But that doesn't sound particularly helpful to say to someone.

If you explain why im 'hard work' that's great because can actually learn from your perspective.

But to use a phrase that is easily interpreted as an insult. That's not very helpful.

That poster is being obnoxious, OP, ignore them.

I hadn't appreciated that it's your family; that's very difficult to manoeuvre around. Did you sort out who will be paying for food/drinks whilst you're there?

Lalalalala555 · 19/03/2024 13:02

YireosDodeAver · 19/03/2024 12:59

Yanbu

Reply "sorry if I was unclear but the cost is fixed and it's not like someone else can come and stay in that room on the kast night so it's not fair to make the rest of us pay more if you don't want to use the last night. You'll still get the benefit of not having to be up early and cleared out by 10am because we have the last night booked so you're still getting value for money."

Thank you this is a clear summary of my view/ perspective / the reality of it.

Really helpful to have it written.

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Lalalalala555 · 19/03/2024 13:01

rookiemere · 19/03/2024 12:57

OMG I can't believe they are prepared to fall out over £40. They sound unhinged.

Okay. Thanks.
Yeah im feeling quite anxious now that this is not the end of it. You know how small things with the best of intentions can turn into drama.

Fingers crossed it will be fine and peace.

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YireosDodeAver · 19/03/2024 12:59

Yanbu

Reply "sorry if I was unclear but the cost is fixed and it's not like someone else can come and stay in that room on the kast night so it's not fair to make the rest of us pay more if you don't want to use the last night. You'll still get the benefit of not having to be up early and cleared out by 10am because we have the last night booked so you're still getting value for money."

Lalalalala555 · 19/03/2024 12:59

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Im not sure if you're trying to be mean? But that doesn't sound particularly helpful to say to someone.

If you explain why im 'hard work' that's great because can actually learn from your perspective.

But to use a phrase that is easily interpreted as an insult. That's not very helpful.

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GertrudePerkinsPaperyThing · 19/03/2024 12:58

Three night breaks are always Fri - Mon, they’re being ridiculous.

Say “ok we won’t stay Sunday night either”, so now we’re all back paying equal shares.

Or you could cancel (if possible) and suggest they find somewhere nice that allows you to pay just Fri- Sun

rookiemere · 19/03/2024 12:57

Lalalalala555 · 19/03/2024 12:55

Update:
We offered to split it 100pp and then my partner and i pay 170pp.
But they said no.
If theyre not paying 80 ish theyre not coming.
And so now they've said they're not coming.

Fine without me.
But now nervous about if they are fine or actually quite pissed off.
And biggest concern if my partner is okay.
And also if they say mean things about me to my partner.

What fun.

Hopefully everyone reading this is learning from my experience.

OMG I can't believe they are prepared to fall out over £40. They sound unhinged.

Runnerduck34 · 19/03/2024 12:56

I was going to say they are being very unreasonable if they had agreed to cottage booking.
But if you did it without checking first- and I can understand why - then it was at your risk.
However having said that are they leaving 10am on Sunday? If they are they staying till mid afternoon early evening then they are still using the facilities for longer than a 2 night stay and I think they should pay the extra night

NeedToChangeName · 19/03/2024 12:56

I've changed my mind

In one of your messages you said there's no minimum stay. So, perhaps you should have booked for 2 nights (assuming that's cheaper) as everyone might have been content with that. And then explored if people wished to pay more to add Sun night as well

In your shoes, I'd probably suck it up with rather bad grace and avoid getting in this situation again

BTW, Splitwise app is great for splitting holiday costs as you can add entries and say that eg lunch is to split between A and B, golf between B and C etc. And at the end, it simplifies the maths so everyone just makes one payment

Lalalalala555 · 19/03/2024 12:55

PinkyFlamingo · 19/03/2024 12:54

So you booked without discussing with the others how many nights? That's a problem

Yes. But did say they can choose to come or not.
And said how much it would be.

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WimpoleHat · 19/03/2024 12:55

Holiday cottages - and rooms therein - are not the same as hotels. You book 2 nights j stead of 3 in a hotel? You pay less (probably only 2/3 of the cost) as the hotel can sell your room to someone else for that night. You cannot do that in a cottage scenario, nor can you ask someone else to come as the bedding will be used etc. Tell them to come or you’ll ask someone else - they’re being very unreasonable. (Also the cost of a holiday cottage for 2 nights likely won’t be hugely cheaper anyway, as they tend to be booked for weeks or weekends and a large chunk of the cost is for cleaning and laundry.)

Lalalalala555 · 19/03/2024 12:55

Update:
We offered to split it 100pp and then my partner and i pay 170pp.
But they said no.
If theyre not paying 80 ish theyre not coming.
And so now they've said they're not coming.

Fine without me.
But now nervous about if they are fine or actually quite pissed off.
And biggest concern if my partner is okay.
And also if they say mean things about me to my partner.

What fun.

Hopefully everyone reading this is learning from my experience.

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PinkyFlamingo · 19/03/2024 12:54

So you booked without discussing with the others how many nights? That's a problem

pinkspeakers · 19/03/2024 12:54

Bit tricky. If it was essentially a group decision then it's one third each regardless if anyone subsequently decides to leave early. But if you booked the cottage with consulting them then it's ultimately your responsibility. Having said that, if they agreed a while ago, and the stay is now coming up soon then I think they are still basically committed to one third of the cost, as you could have asked someone else if they'd said no at that point.

What are your alternatives at this point. Can you cut the whole stay down to nights for everyone? Could you ask someone else instead who'd like to come for the whole time?

In any case, between you are staying for 7 "couple nights" so you the fair division if you are all still happy to go ahead is probably 2/7, 2/7, 3/7. So you would pay 50% more than them. And if they are going to stay until the last evening (rather than leave a whole 24 hours earlier) then they should pay the full third.

Mumof2teens79 · 19/03/2024 12:51

Tricky because I see your point but you booked it anyway before inviting them....and they could have said no , leaving you with the full cost (unless you had someone else lined up)
And if you say no you have to pay for 3 nights they could still turn round and say - OK we'll stay somewhere else for the 2nights we need where its cheaper overall.

Given they benefit on the third day without staying the night I would see if they will split the difference but you may just have to suck it up, or risk losing them from the weekend and potentially as friends.

Lalalalala555 · 19/03/2024 12:49

Silvers11 · 19/03/2024 12:44

@Lalalalala555 The problem here is that you booked it without ever getting an agreement on the number of nights they were staying and what everyone was being asked to pay. It's further compounded because you offered them a cheaper rate than it was actually costing, after the place had already been booked. So this is my reckoning

  1. The cost of the cottage is £740 for 3 nights = £246.6666 - call it £247 per night for all 6 of you = approximately £41 each person per night. So £82 per person for TWO nights
  2. They have offered £80 each for 2 nights, so very close there.
  3. Since couple number 3 will need to leave with couple no 2 that means those 2 couples will pay £320 between them and leaving you with £420 for you to pay for 3 nights

Could you drop the 3rd Couple off for a train or something on the Monday, so they could stay over on the Sunday night? Or even take them home yourself, or is it too far in opposite directions sort of thing?

The thing is, you made a unilateral decision and this was always a risk without getting agreement from everyone. So it is difficult.

I think if they don't accept the £100 suggestion ( for each couple, per night), you could

  1. Try negotiating with them, and point out that they can stay longer on the Sunday Morning, so they don't need to leave too early, will have time to do whatever is required to clean up/strip beds or whatever is required in their own rooms and £100 is reasonable for the extra time they will get to do all that?
  2. Accept their offer, suck it up and put it down to experience (yours, for not getting agreement before you booked) and you know for future reference to get agreement on all of that kind of thing before deciding.
  3. Insist on the £100 and probably fall out with them - which as you say they are family, you don't want to do

Hope this all works out amicably

Edited

Thanks.

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Iftheshoesfit · 19/03/2024 12:48

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Lalalalala555 · 19/03/2024 12:48

LyingWitchInTheWardrobe · 19/03/2024 12:33

OP, who is going to be organising food and drink for this trip? Is that also going to become a bone of contention?

I do feel for you, I can see how this has happened, but I don't know how you're going to salvage this situation without paying more - or having some very hard conversations with 'short stay' friends. If they hang about on Sunday then that may also upset the other couple?

How close friends are you actually?

They're sibling and wife of my partner.

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