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Do you believe in Ghosts?

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dottiedodah · 17/03/2024 13:55

just that really ,found some interesting things online that made me think .YABU ghosts dont exist YANBU could be something in it

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ChristmasGutPunch · 17/03/2024 20:51

I think there are more things in heaven and earth than are dreamt of in my philosophy.

But I also think it's hard to understand an immortal soul, or a ghost, when brain damage/stroke/dementia changes a person so completely. How can an essence survive death?

Microdisney · 17/03/2024 20:50

Prydddan · 17/03/2024 20:35

The remote viewing experiments carried out by varios branches of the US goverment.
Extraordinary Knowing by Elizabeth Lloyd Mayer ( I promise I am not her) details it alll.

She summarises the scientific evidence for these phenomena at the time of writing.

Her book is a history of the study of ESP. No one is doubting there’s a history of studying it. It’s just that the results under scientific conditions have never been more than ‘slightly better than chance’, and the Society for Psychical Research ‘studies’ are anecdotal.

Lonelycrab · 17/03/2024 20:49

No they dont exist

Theyre the fabric of a preconditioned mind that’s receptive to those ideas- nothing less, nothing more.

Consciousness can fool the brain into thinking whatever it likes, to be the truth.

See also: aliens.

StoatofDisarray · 17/03/2024 20:47

No.

IncompleteSenten · 17/03/2024 20:47

Prydddan · 17/03/2024 20:35

The remote viewing experiments carried out by varios branches of the US goverment.
Extraordinary Knowing by Elizabeth Lloyd Mayer ( I promise I am not her) details it alll.

She summarises the scientific evidence for these phenomena at the time of writing.

I hope you're not because she's been dead for 20 years 😁

gould · 17/03/2024 20:45

passthepenguin · 17/03/2024 14:34

No I don’t believe in ghosts. I am starting to believe in aliens though because of various things I’ve heard on the news and a recent US congressional hearing. I think they are trying to get people to gradually get used to the idea without causing mass panic.

This is a rabbit hole that you will never come back out of

In 2017 the Pentagon stated that there's things in the skies that they have absolutely no idea of what they are

In July last year I saw something that I can't explain. If you ever see something yourself it will change your opinion on everything

There's definitely things up there that are monitoring us, where it's from I have no idea

Prydddan · 17/03/2024 20:42

Iluvteandbiscuits · 17/03/2024 20:21

"Prydddan

There are scientific studies -lots of them - that provide evidence for such phenomena as telepathy, being able to tell when you're being watched, remote viewing, predicting which card or image will show next.

Scientific. Peer reviewed."

Care to share 2 to 3 of them seen as there are loads of them. I would love to read these journals and who has peer reviewed them. I`ll be waiting 🙂

Pulling out the citations from the book I mentioned is not a simple endeavour, since I'd want to point you to the ones that have incontrovertible results.

Since this is something I feel strongly about, and trusting that you are actually interested in being pointed at some strong evidence for the existence of psychic phenomena, I will attempt to provide some citations in the next week ( I work and dogsit).

IncompleteSenten · 17/03/2024 20:41

Hedgerow2 · 17/03/2024 20:29

Are airlocks really well known for causing mirrors to jump off walls and fly several feet forward where you live? The plumbers there must live interesting lives.

Ah - you see I just don't believe that bit.

That's a big part of the problem isn't it? You've first got to believe you are being told the truth.

And it's hard to say that because nobody likes to be called a liar but it's a huge thing to ask of others, to accept that you are telling the actual truth when you say, for example, that a woman floated down the stairs towards you then the dining table lifted up and touched the ceiling and the cat's head turned full circle.

And they may well believe what they are saying is true! Purposefully lying is not the only possibility.

Before I was put in a mental health unit as a young woman I regularly heard and saw things such as voices in my room, voices in my head, figures in shadows and things out of the corners of my eye. After I was sectioned and first medicated I saw a giant orange bodied spider that wanted to murder me because I had killed her babies!!

I would have sworn on a stack of bibles that I had seen and heard all of those things and it was deeply distressing when people told me none of it was real.

Years later I had post partum psychosis and thought my son had died during delivery and been relaced with a demon. I saw his face contort into evil.

I absolutely believed all of those things to be real. They were not.

Prydddan · 17/03/2024 20:35

WhatsTheUseOfWorrying · 17/03/2024 20:16

There are scientific studies -lots of them - that provide evidence for such phenomena as telepathy, being able to tell when you're being watched, remote viewing, predicting which card or image will show next.
**
Scientific. Peer reviewed.

Are you sure? I’ve never heard of telepathy, for example, having ever been proved.

The remote viewing experiments carried out by varios branches of the US goverment.
Extraordinary Knowing by Elizabeth Lloyd Mayer ( I promise I am not her) details it alll.

She summarises the scientific evidence for these phenomena at the time of writing.

Microdisney · 17/03/2024 20:35

Prydddan · 17/03/2024 20:12

There are scientific studies -lots of them - that provide evidence for such phenomena as telepathy, being able to tell when you're being watched, remote viewing, predicting which card or image will show next.

Scientific. Peer reviewed.

Science doesn't know what to do with these findings because the tools we have available are not suited to this sort of investigation. Also, the scienfitic method requires reproductible results, and so many psychic phenomena (e.g. your dad dying) aren't reproductible.

The book Extraordinary Knowing by Elizabeth Lloyd Mayer provides an overview, with insights into how quantum physics may provide an overlap with paranormal phenomena.

Elizabeth Lloyd Mayer’s book whose foreword acknowledges that the scientific results of extra-sensory perception have been ‘disappointing’ and that the history of ESP research under scientific conditions is murky because of well-founded accusations of cheating at one particular institute and because the other main institute was funded by the CIA?

Magnastorm · 17/03/2024 20:35

Not even a tiny, tiny bit. Likewise santa, the tooth fairy or the loch Ness monster.

MissingMoominMamma · 17/03/2024 20:32

I’m pretty sure I’ve seen one, so yes.

cardibach · 17/03/2024 20:31

Ghosts? No. I’m an atheist so don’t believe in spirits living or dead.
Something we can’t explain relating to history? Yes.

dolskarella · 17/03/2024 20:30

@Howbizarre22

Yes,

decionsdecisions62 · 17/03/2024 20:29

Also I firmly believe that some individuals are more in tune than others to experience these things. Certain folks are quite 'low energy' and aren't particularly in tune to other real life people let alone anyone in a spiritual form. Those individuals would probably struggle to meditate even.

Hedgerow2 · 17/03/2024 20:29

Are airlocks really well known for causing mirrors to jump off walls and fly several feet forward where you live? The plumbers there must live interesting lives.

Ah - you see I just don't believe that bit.

IncompleteSenten · 17/03/2024 20:29

Oh god, it's not daryl bem though is it? Him I've read about. 😂

Prydddan · 17/03/2024 20:26

Prydddan · 17/03/2024 19:57

The last ghost I saw was wearing cargo trousers and an anorak. He had a black Lab on a lead.

Oh bu@@er. My phat phingers.

Prydddan · 17/03/2024 20:23

Terrribletwos · 17/03/2024 18:52

So what is the point of ghosts? Why don't we see animal ghosts?

Perhaps you do.

IncompleteSenten · 17/03/2024 20:23

Really? That surprises me because I've never read about them and nobody ever won the million dollar Randi prize.

I'd love to read more about the studies and learn about the scientists and theur credentials but Google doesn't seem to come up with much. Could you point me in the right direction?

Prydddan · 17/03/2024 20:22

Hedgerow2 · 17/03/2024 19:35

Probably an airlock in your water pipes: we get this intermittently and it does sound like knocking.

Are airlocks really well known for causing mirrors to jump off walls and fly several feet forward where you live? The plumbers there must live interesting lives.

Iluvteandbiscuits · 17/03/2024 20:21

Prydddan · 17/03/2024 20:12

There are scientific studies -lots of them - that provide evidence for such phenomena as telepathy, being able to tell when you're being watched, remote viewing, predicting which card or image will show next.

Scientific. Peer reviewed.

Science doesn't know what to do with these findings because the tools we have available are not suited to this sort of investigation. Also, the scienfitic method requires reproductible results, and so many psychic phenomena (e.g. your dad dying) aren't reproductible.

The book Extraordinary Knowing by Elizabeth Lloyd Mayer provides an overview, with insights into how quantum physics may provide an overlap with paranormal phenomena.

"Prydddan

There are scientific studies -lots of them - that provide evidence for such phenomena as telepathy, being able to tell when you're being watched, remote viewing, predicting which card or image will show next.

Scientific. Peer reviewed."

Care to share 2 to 3 of them seen as there are loads of them. I would love to read these journals and who has peer reviewed them. I`ll be waiting 🙂

PlumbersWifey · 17/03/2024 20:19

I belive in ghosts as I've seen 3. I wouldn't go around telling everyone as there's people out there that have seen none and can't get their heads around it. But they are real. I don't suffer with my mental health and do a job where people listen to me and do as I say on important matters.

WhatsTheUseOfWorrying · 17/03/2024 20:16

There are scientific studies -lots of them - that provide evidence for such phenomena as telepathy, being able to tell when you're being watched, remote viewing, predicting which card or image will show next.
**
Scientific. Peer reviewed.

Are you sure? I’ve never heard of telepathy, for example, having ever been proved.

Prydddan · 17/03/2024 20:12

IncompleteSenten · 17/03/2024 19:01

I'll be more than willing to shout from the rooftops I'm completely wrong and ghosts are real...
The second someone shows some proof. Scientific proof. Lab conditions. Verified by further studies. Actual evidence.

I've got no problem taking out a billboard sign saying I was totally wrong.

There are scientific studies -lots of them - that provide evidence for such phenomena as telepathy, being able to tell when you're being watched, remote viewing, predicting which card or image will show next.

Scientific. Peer reviewed.

Science doesn't know what to do with these findings because the tools we have available are not suited to this sort of investigation. Also, the scienfitic method requires reproductible results, and so many psychic phenomena (e.g. your dad dying) aren't reproductible.

The book Extraordinary Knowing by Elizabeth Lloyd Mayer provides an overview, with insights into how quantum physics may provide an overlap with paranormal phenomena.