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People who don’t carry their bank cards with them

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Auburngal · 16/03/2024 14:19

I was in Sainsbury’s this morning and systems are down. No contactless, chip n pin taking ages to go through. Unable to buy gift cards, mobile top up vouchers.

Systems going down like this happen not very often but when they do it’s awful.

On the self scan next to me a woman screamed at the manager on why she can’t pay on her mobile.

Why do many people don’t carry their bank cards anymore? The cards don’t weigh much. Plus if the contactless payment system goes down, hopefully their card will go through via chip n pin. Also they won’t look like idiots either. No sympathy for these.

Regarding contactless payments- sometimes your bank, NOT the retailer etc asks you to do a CnP payment as part of security. “I dunno my PIN”. You can change your PIN to any number you want (not 1234, 1111) at any ATM under PIN services.

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aodirjjd · 17/03/2024 10:30

MrsDanversGlidesAgain · 17/03/2024 10:27

And you're constrained by screen size, that doesn't get bigger. I once stood with a mate in South Kensington, both of us peering at our screens to find the place we were looking for. Checked it on the A-Z when I got home and saw immediately where it was in relation to where we had been standing - and paper A-Z would have saved us 20 cold frustrating minutes.

Works for me. Of course I means I'm not a minimalist up to date with all the latest tech type looking down scornfully on the Luddites, but I never have been. I can live with that.

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You know on google maps you can just type in where you need to go and it will show you the route? A preference is fine but it sounds like you’re claiming technology doesn’t work when you don’t actually know how to use it.

MrsDanversGlidesAgain · 17/03/2024 10:29

Nothing shouts vulnerable distracted tourist like getting out a giant physical map in a city. I would never do this it would make you such a target

And standing peering at your phone trying to work out where you are doesn't, of course.

I'm not a tourist, I live there, and in 55 years I've never been a target. A-Z isn't a giant physical map, it's a book.

katseyes7 · 17/03/2024 10:28

I had elderly customers shout their PIN as they are punching numbers “5…3….1….0”
That's the one!

MrsDanversGlidesAgain · 17/03/2024 10:27

PrimitivePerson · 17/03/2024 10:17

...and when the battery dies or the signal drops out, you can see the square root of bugger all!

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And you're constrained by screen size, that doesn't get bigger. I once stood with a mate in South Kensington, both of us peering at our screens to find the place we were looking for. Checked it on the A-Z when I got home and saw immediately where it was in relation to where we had been standing - and paper A-Z would have saved us 20 cold frustrating minutes.

Works for me. Of course I means I'm not a minimalist up to date with all the latest tech type looking down scornfully on the Luddites, but I never have been. I can live with that.

aodirjjd · 17/03/2024 10:23

MrsDanversGlidesAgain · 17/03/2024 10:13

I still carry a paper A-Z when I'm around London. Opens out double paged and you can see context of where you are instead of couple of inches of screen.

The day I start using a wallet type phone case will be a cold day in hell. They scream OAP. Nothing wrong with being an OAP, but I’m not there yet

What an utter charmer you sound, pp.

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Nothing shouts vulnerable distracted tourist like getting out a giant physical map in a city. I would never do this it would make you such a target.

BobLemon · 17/03/2024 10:18

YABU and don’t seem to understand ApplePay or the normal two sticker method of price reductions.

PrimitivePerson · 17/03/2024 10:17

Allfur · 17/03/2024 10:15

Mrsdanvers, you can change the size of the map on your screen so you can see as much or little as you like

...and when the battery dies or the signal drops out, you can see the square root of bugger all!

Allfur · 17/03/2024 10:15

Mrsdanvers, you can change the size of the map on your screen so you can see as much or little as you like

SoupDragon · 17/03/2024 10:13

PrimitivePerson · 17/03/2024 10:09

Hackers who know what they're doing wouldn't have a problem with that at all.

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And a locksmith or accomplished burglar can get through a physical lock with no problem at all.

MrsDanversGlidesAgain · 17/03/2024 10:13

Rainrainrainrainrainrainrain · 17/03/2024 00:14

Is carrying a paper map "old-fashioned"? Maybe, but it's 100% dependable
Quite.
Paper maps, books, cash never run out of battery or signal!

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I still carry a paper A-Z when I'm around London. Opens out double paged and you can see context of where you are instead of couple of inches of screen.

The day I start using a wallet type phone case will be a cold day in hell. They scream OAP. Nothing wrong with being an OAP, but I’m not there yet

What an utter charmer you sound, pp.

BobnLen · 17/03/2024 10:13

I wouldn't be relying on a digital lock, a lot of the digital stuff I already use isn't that good like Hive, those Ring things, etc

SoupDragon · 17/03/2024 10:11

PrimitivePerson · 17/03/2024 10:04

If you take sensible security precautions, you can prevent it. Most burglaries are pretty opportunist. Using a digital lock is incredibly stupid on that front, keyless entry systems on cars are completely unfit for purpose and far easier to defeat that older systems that needed a key.

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Don't you think people take sensible security precautions with other types of key then? Why are these extra preventative measures more acceptable than taking preventative measures for other types of key? If you need to take extra precautions than they are no more or less fit for purpose than other types of key.

I used to be able to open other cars with the key to my Ford Escort back in the day when they were just physical keys. Can't get easier than that!

PrimitivePerson · 17/03/2024 10:09

Allfur · 17/03/2024 10:07

What you mean a digital lock with a camera on it and also sets of an alarm when hacked? Mmm can see why the robbers would want a go at that

Hackers who know what they're doing wouldn't have a problem with that at all.

Allfur · 17/03/2024 10:07

What you mean a digital lock with a camera on it and also sets of an alarm when hacked? Mmm can see why the robbers would want a go at that

aodirjjd · 17/03/2024 10:06

PrimitivePerson · 17/03/2024 10:04

If you take sensible security precautions, you can prevent it. Most burglaries are pretty opportunist. Using a digital lock is incredibly stupid on that front, keyless entry systems on cars are completely unfit for purpose and far easier to defeat that older systems that needed a key.

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Ah I see. That’s why car theft used to be a really rare occurrence until keyless entry. Practically unheard off 😂

edit: source for reference https://www.statista.com/statistics/303551/motor-vehicle-theft-in-england-and-wales/

PrimitivePerson · 17/03/2024 10:04

aodirjjd · 17/03/2024 10:02

i suppose that’s why burglary is so rare these days?

Hopefully won’t become an everyday occurrence for the country once these modern locks come into mainstream.

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If you take sensible security precautions, you can prevent it. Most burglaries are pretty opportunist. Using a digital lock is incredibly stupid on that front, keyless entry systems on cars are completely unfit for purpose and far easier to defeat that older systems that needed a key.

aodirjjd · 17/03/2024 10:02

PrimitivePerson · 17/03/2024 10:00

It's much harder to do that. Breaking a modern double glazed window is physically very difficult and takes time, and also makes noise and draws attention. There's electronic devices that will hack digital locks in seconds and open them completely silently.

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i suppose that’s why burglary is so rare these days?

Hopefully won’t become an everyday occurrence for the country once these modern locks come into mainstream.

PrimitivePerson · 17/03/2024 10:00

aodirjjd · 17/03/2024 09:57

Differentvbut just as possible to steal your physical keys or break a window

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It's much harder to do that. Breaking a modern double glazed window is physically very difficult and takes time, and also makes noise and draws attention. There's electronic devices that will hack digital locks in seconds and open them completely silently.

aodirjjd · 17/03/2024 09:57

PrimitivePerson · 17/03/2024 09:54

When someone hacks it, walks in and steals all your stuff, don't say I didn't warn you.

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Differentvbut just as possible to steal your physical keys or break a window

KimberleyClark · 17/03/2024 09:57

PrimitivePerson · 17/03/2024 09:16

I still use paper train tickets, yes.

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So do I, though have my railcard on my phone.

PrimitivePerson · 17/03/2024 09:56

ZetuianRose · 17/03/2024 09:42

Yep, offline maps are where it’s at. I use these in countries where I won’t have data roaming. They are brilliant as you still have GPS signal as that doesn’t require any data so you can still see where you are and what direction you are heading. That would also work up a mountain etc.

E-tickets also don’t need a connection once you’ve actually downloaded them to your phone as a PDF or to your wallet. Only a problem if you haven’t already done that and you’re relying on having to load the email when you get there.

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Many ticketing systems, such as Ticketmaster, are app-based and use dynamic bar codes. These require a constant internet connection. I've seen hordes of angry people who have paid a fortune for tickets denied access to events because they can't get a signal.

BobnLen · 17/03/2024 09:56

I wouldn't get a digital door lock, it might be about as secure as a keyless car - not very

PrimitivePerson · 17/03/2024 09:54

Allfur · 17/03/2024 09:44

If technology makes my life easier I'm using it, one day I'd like a digital front door lock

When someone hacks it, walks in and steals all your stuff, don't say I didn't warn you.

Allfur · 17/03/2024 09:44

If technology makes my life easier I'm using it, one day I'd like a digital front door lock

BobnLen · 17/03/2024 09:43

The thing with technology is it relies on an infrastructure that isn't very good, I'm on a caravan site at the moment and the 4g/5g is really bad at certain times of the day. It's often worse in busy places because of everyone using it.