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To think this is outdated and needs to be removed?

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ballybean · 14/03/2024 23:49

My son's school has an all glass isolation room in the hall with three desks, children are put there as punishment? Teachers and students walking passed

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SemperIdem · 15/03/2024 00:15

Yanbu children should never have to sit with the consequences of their actions and feel discomfort as a result 👏🏻

warmheartcoldfeet · 15/03/2024 00:14

disruptive children aren't criminals in need of humiliation and punishment

they are children

BioHives · 15/03/2024 00:12

smooththecat · 15/03/2024 00:10

Where to start? Law is a huge and complex body of regulation. A glass humiliation box is, erm, an 18th century idea that never worked anyway.

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but not all laws work either as some still break them so whats the alternative no laws?

Hermittrismegistus · 15/03/2024 00:12

naggynora · 15/03/2024 00:10

Presumably those supporting such a method would be perfectly happy to have this in the workplace also. Can't find a pen? Late for work? Rude to a colleague? In the box you go!

Well no. In the workplace people can be fired if they behave badly.
Schools have had their powers to remove disruptive children reduced.

Isittimeformynapyet · 15/03/2024 00:11

warmheartcoldfeet · 15/03/2024 00:09

sounds like something from handmaids tale

I was thinking of Silence Of The Lambs

BioHives · 15/03/2024 00:11

naggynora · 15/03/2024 00:10

Presumably those supporting such a method would be perfectly happy to have this in the workplace also. Can't find a pen? Late for work? Rude to a colleague? In the box you go!

companies already have full surveillance software across all the computers monitoring everything so in a way its already there

smooththecat · 15/03/2024 00:10

BioHives · 15/03/2024 00:07

but then how are laws any different with engaging people to comply with society ? otherwise why have laws then ?

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Where to start? Law is a huge and complex body of regulation. A glass humiliation box is, erm, an 18th century idea that never worked anyway.

Andthereyougo · 15/03/2024 00:10

If it’s a punishment that works what’s wrong with it?
Standing a misbehaving child outside the classroom door was standard for decades. At least these kids get a seat and something to do.
And if they learn not to disturb the learning of it gets then it’s a win win.

naggynora · 15/03/2024 00:10

Presumably those supporting such a method would be perfectly happy to have this in the workplace also. Can't find a pen? Late for work? Rude to a colleague? In the box you go!

warmheartcoldfeet · 15/03/2024 00:09

sounds like something from handmaids tale

smooththecat · 15/03/2024 00:08

Gymrabbit · 15/03/2024 00:07

smooththecat

what evidence do you have that it doesn’t?

Ooh evidence. Just google panopticon for yourself and read some basic info. I’m not ChatGPT

BioHives · 15/03/2024 00:07

smooththecat · 15/03/2024 00:06

Psychological violence is fine though

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but then how are laws any different with engaging people to comply with society ? otherwise why have laws then ?

Hermittrismegistus · 15/03/2024 00:07

ballybean · 15/03/2024 00:05

I find it so funny how I mentioned this to my group of friends and they were all shocked. I mention it here and of course it's totally acceptable!

We can just starting hitting kids again then, if they don't want to get a smack, they just have to behave!

Huge difference between sitting in a a clear box and beating children.

If they don't want to end up in the box they could simply behave.

Gymrabbit · 15/03/2024 00:07

smooththecat

what evidence do you have that it doesn’t?

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ballybean · 15/03/2024 00:06

UpsideLeft · 15/03/2024 00:04

I suppose that's the point

To be made to feel degraded and humiliated so so you'll never step out of line and have to back into the

'Box of Shame'

But see that doesn't actually work though does it? Because students are shown disrespect, lower their self esteem, they don't feel included and there starts a vicious cycle

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BioHives · 15/03/2024 00:06

smooththecat · 15/03/2024 00:05

Yes because methods like the panopticon have been shown to work well 🤔

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Why did the Panopticon fail?
The archaic Panopticon design creates a physical environment that is damaging to the physical and mental health of prisoners and operationally dangerous for correctional staff. The grim conditions inside the roundhouse include persistent, insufferable noise-levels; extreme temperatures and poor ventilation…

smooththecat · 15/03/2024 00:06

BioHives · 15/03/2024 00:05

that is too far never advocate violence

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Psychological violence is fine though

BioHives · 15/03/2024 00:05

ballybean · 15/03/2024 00:05

I find it so funny how I mentioned this to my group of friends and they were all shocked. I mention it here and of course it's totally acceptable!

We can just starting hitting kids again then, if they don't want to get a smack, they just have to behave!

that is too far never advocate violence

smooththecat · 15/03/2024 00:05

Gymrabbit · 15/03/2024 00:04

I suspect around 10 teachers are leaving my school over the next few months due to the children’s behaviour.
well done to this school for doing something that might help stem the utter chaos currently in schools.

Yes because methods like the panopticon have been shown to work well 🤔

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ballybean · 15/03/2024 00:05

I find it so funny how I mentioned this to my group of friends and they were all shocked. I mention it here and of course it's totally acceptable!

We can just starting hitting kids again then, if they don't want to get a smack, they just have to behave!

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smooththecat · 15/03/2024 00:05

OP, you won’t get anywhere. Anything a school does is correct. Anything a teacher does is incorrect. It’s all very logical.

UpsideLeft · 15/03/2024 00:04

But yes it absolutely needs to be removed

Gymrabbit · 15/03/2024 00:04

I suspect around 10 teachers are leaving my school over the next few months due to the children’s behaviour.
well done to this school for doing something that might help stem the utter chaos currently in schools.

BioHives · 15/03/2024 00:04

smooththecat · 15/03/2024 00:03

Panopticon, it’s a social and psychological control method in penal colonies from the 18th century. So yes, very appropriate for children at school according to mumsnet. What’s next? Stocks?

some would consider that, after all do we want a better behaved society would likely be their reasoning ?

UpsideLeft · 15/03/2024 00:04

I suppose that's the point

To be made to feel degraded and humiliated so so you'll never step out of line and have to back into the

'Box of Shame'