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To think this is outdated and needs to be removed?

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ballybean · 14/03/2024 23:49

My son's school has an all glass isolation room in the hall with three desks, children are put there as punishment? Teachers and students walking passed

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cerisepanther73 · 15/03/2024 02:57

@Ilikegreenshoes

Hurray hear hear someone finally talking sense here,🥳

Nottalking utter bullshit 💩💩💩💩💩like other posters such as @ballybean & @CurlsnSunshinetime4tea &@VivienneDelacroix 🤪🤪🤪
on this mumsnet thread..

CurlsnSunshinetime4tea · 15/03/2024 02:56

@cerisepanther73 i fully agree, equally a student that needs to complete work outside of class (not punishment) a group of students that need to work on a project together or students requesting to leave the class but who want to work have a place to work (those students that use to be sent to the library or cafeteria).

i can see this as being a useful multipurpose space.

cerisepanther73 · 15/03/2024 02:52

@CurlsnSunshinetime4tea @VivienneDelacroix

At least in glass room isolation room a teacher can not be wrongly accused of inappropriate behaviour at all
everyone can see what's going on there,

Also pupil who disrupts the entire classroom and creates mayhem chaos wherever they do so, whether bullying or whatever,

can be taking out of that situation immediately, to the relief of everyone,
instead of causing distress to other pupils and upsetting the dynamics of classroom to other pupils mental health detriment,
which has severely affected by lockdowns and covid,

Also disruptive pupil can have time to reflect on their disruptive behaviour and calm down..

Ilikegreenshoes · 15/03/2024 02:45

People who misbehave should be made to feel ashamed of doing the wrong thing. Shielding children from all negative emotions, and from the consequences of their own actions is not helping them in the long run.

If you act like a twat in class, you should be bloody embarrassed!

Luckycloverz · 15/03/2024 02:37

I'd check with the school and get a full explanation of what the area is used for and when, your child's description may not be an accurate account.
You say it's used for small misbehaviours, messy around etc but that there are only 3 desks. So how does that work in school with around 1000+ students 🤔 there would be a long queue!

cerisepanther73 · 15/03/2024 02:36

@ballybean Ah bless those pupils who disrupt any classroom sessions cause they are bored and fed up

Ah bless 🙌 them
Isolation rooms Ah my god it's such a barbaric idea,

Ah we should all hug a disruptive pupil or and a school Bully ,

And be sympathetic and understanding 100 💯 per cent

even if it means its detrimental to other pupils learning or and mental health too

Ah it's so easy be so judgemental and set up mumsnet thread like this very one on here,
.when you don't have bloody clue about the realities of what it's like to have to put up with disruptive pupils and mayhem havoc they create,

Ah bless 🙌 let's set up # be kind 😇 and be a Saints too,
Bless all disruptive pupils out there and carry your mischievous sense of fun and havoc and chaos it's time honoured traditions that there are at least one or two disruptive pupils carry the baton for this kind of behaviour,

Isn't that so @ballybean ?

CurlsnSunshinetime4tea · 15/03/2024 02:31

funny how this is in aibu vs education.
i fully believe an area where a student or a group of students can be observed without the need of 1-1 staff OR equally where a 1-1 staff can work with a student without fear of the meeting being found inappropriate could be a beneficial use of space.
i can't really see putting violent students in a glass room as ever appropriate.
although the op might think she knows what the space is used for, i would ask because it may simply be a multipurpose space.

cerisepanther73 · 15/03/2024 02:22

@ballybean

Ah bless them pupils who bully or disrupt other pupils in the classrooms and make lessons a mental and emotional endurance tests for everyone concerned including the teachers,

Ah i see you expect all teachers to be combination of a support worker's and social workers too,

Ah i see it's all about a mumsnet thread about how hard life must be for pupils who disrupt and create havoc mayhem in the classrooms,

Ah no understanding how this impacts on other pupils and how it can affect them too,

VivienneDelacroix · 15/03/2024 02:05

ballybean · 14/03/2024 23:59

I think it's humiliating for them. They aren't put there because they are a danger. They are put there if messing in class, distracting others etc

It is utterly humiliating and massively goes against trauma-informed practice. You don't make people do better by treating them badly.

Luckycloverz · 15/03/2024 02:02

Hmm I wonder if its same school as my children go to.
They have this in their hall, not visable from corridors and not used if other things are happening in the hall.
It has actually worked well in stopping misbehaviour in classes because yes it's embarrassing for those in them but actually makes them refect on their behaviour and consequences.
To get sent to work in them though they have to be warned several times, repeated defiance etc is not just any small misbehaviour that causes them to end up there, those that do are seriously disturbing other students work and teachers have have such little power these days they have to be careful but if it works then I'm in agreement as are most other parents I know at the school.

mathanxiety · 15/03/2024 01:50

Gymrabbit · 15/03/2024 00:15

smooththecat

I have googled and it’s become abundantly clear you have no idea what you are talking about.
the device you refer to was for constant surveillance nothing to do with humiliation at all.

Constant surveillance involves the complete loss of privacy. It's inhumane.

mathanxiety · 15/03/2024 01:46

I agree with you, OP.

It is reminiscent of the dunce's cap.

WandaWonder · 15/03/2024 01:40

Ok you want it removed in your drip feeding way what do you want us to do about it?

Garlicking · 15/03/2024 01:39

naggynora · 15/03/2024 00:10

Presumably those supporting such a method would be perfectly happy to have this in the workplace also. Can't find a pen? Late for work? Rude to a colleague? In the box you go!

This is hilarious! Workplaces are full of glass boxes with furniture in them. They're called 'meeting rooms', 'pods', or 'offices'.

Saschka · 15/03/2024 01:32

naggynora · 15/03/2024 00:10

Presumably those supporting such a method would be perfectly happy to have this in the workplace also. Can't find a pen? Late for work? Rude to a colleague? In the box you go!

Lots of people work in offices with glass walls/doors.

If it is a small plastic box like a David Blaine escape, ok that isn’t great. If it is a room with a glass wall partition like this, which frankly sounds far more likely, no I can’t see any problem whatsoever with that.

To think this is outdated and needs to be removed?
CurlsnSunshinetime4tea · 15/03/2024 01:25

bazaar that the first thing that comes to mind is misbehavior.
what about a child that missed a class exam and needs to re-write it without distraction? a small group of students that need to work on some project together, i could see the space being very useful for a multitude of reasons not shame
to me it sounds like a much better situation than sending someone to the "office" or to the "library" when staffing may not be necessary or needed.

oddly their are families for whom your ideas of detention, report card commentary etc would be totally ineffective and suspension inappropriate.

Cocopogo · 15/03/2024 01:08

Is it possibly from covid?

redalex261 · 15/03/2024 01:05

I don’t think it’s a big deal. Stops the nightmares distracting others. Does not require a separate member of staff to supervise. Makes offending child feel mildly uncomfortable. Doesn’t injure them or cause lasting harm. What’s not to like?

DdraigGoch · 15/03/2024 01:03

naggynora · 15/03/2024 00:10

Presumably those supporting such a method would be perfectly happy to have this in the workplace also. Can't find a pen? Late for work? Rude to a colleague? In the box you go!

Modern offices have had these glass-walled boxes for years. They call them "meeting rooms"

Louisevuitton · 15/03/2024 01:00

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smooththecat · 15/03/2024 00:58

BioHives · 15/03/2024 00:31

they would not need it as they would already have been brought up with good manners and that good grades gets you further in society especially when aiming for Oxbridge

Oxbridge are really looking for this depth of reasoning. You should give it a go!

DdraigGoch · 15/03/2024 00:57

smooththecat · 15/03/2024 00:03

Panopticon, it’s a social and psychological control method in penal colonies from the 18th century. So yes, very appropriate for children at school according to mumsnet. What’s next? Stocks?

I would happily have thrown rotten food (no shortage of that in school canteens) at the kids who disrupted my education on a daily basis.

ouch321 · 15/03/2024 00:52

I've worked in offices with all glass partitions.

Per the psycho posters above I was being abused. Must update boss..

DysmalRadius · 15/03/2024 00:45

I don't understand how we are still blaming the inherent problems of the school system on the very children it is failing.

naggynora · 15/03/2024 00:42

If we want children to behave, maybe adults should lead the way first. From politicians to crime stats... fix that with your box

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