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ballybean · 14/03/2024 23:49

My son's school has an all glass isolation room in the hall with three desks, children are put there as punishment? Teachers and students walking passed

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Ek1234 · 15/03/2024 06:22

Shock horror, the room where the punishment for misbehaving is held isn't very comfortable and might be humiliating to the student. Perhaps if they behave then they won't end up there?

ilovesooty · 15/03/2024 06:19

Gymrabbit · 15/03/2024 00:00

ballybean

I know this is a radical thought but if they don’t like the thought of being humiliated they could behave.

Exactly.

HeraSyndulla · 15/03/2024 06:19

ballybean · 14/03/2024 23:59

I think it's humiliating for them. They aren't put there because they are a danger. They are put there if messing in class, distracting others etc

Then I can’t see the problem.

ilovebreadsauce · 15/03/2024 06:10

Surely shame at doing wrong is the way all of us become socialised?

Elecrricmaracas · 15/03/2024 05:59

HereBeFuckery · 15/03/2024 05:49

They are humiliated by being seen to have done wrong? That would require children to have a sense of shame. Are you sure this is correct? The children who end up with isolation or suspension at my school have notably low levels of shame.

For example: being confronted with evidence that they have destroyed a toilet bowl (shattered it) and caused sewage to leak out. Reaction: stifled laughter.

For example: having punched a member of staff because they were vaping THC, and when confronted about their choices, including evidence of their physical violence, replying "she has a stupid fucking face, deserved a good slap".

For example: having nearly been expelled (don't get me started on the 'nearly') for arson, when asked about career choices, replied thy would like to be a firefighter and laughing like a hyena.

Yes, these are delicate flowers who have a well developed sense of shame and can have their fragile egos damaged by a room made so glass. You have no clue.

100% this. Glass isolation booths are the least of anyone's worries when confronted with behaviour like this. Schools can't fix what they didn't cause.

HereBeFuckery · 15/03/2024 05:49

They are humiliated by being seen to have done wrong? That would require children to have a sense of shame. Are you sure this is correct? The children who end up with isolation or suspension at my school have notably low levels of shame.

For example: being confronted with evidence that they have destroyed a toilet bowl (shattered it) and caused sewage to leak out. Reaction: stifled laughter.

For example: having punched a member of staff because they were vaping THC, and when confronted about their choices, including evidence of their physical violence, replying "she has a stupid fucking face, deserved a good slap".

For example: having nearly been expelled (don't get me started on the 'nearly') for arson, when asked about career choices, replied thy would like to be a firefighter and laughing like a hyena.

Yes, these are delicate flowers who have a well developed sense of shame and can have their fragile egos damaged by a room made so glass. You have no clue.

cerisepanther73 · 15/03/2024 05:29

@ballybean

The reality is you are being watched by big brother surveillance cctv cameras 📷 24/7 every day of the year,
When you walk outside of your house out and about in towns and cities shopping ect,

Whether you like it or not, !

So not that much difference for disruptive pupil in glass room space either too,

cerisepanther73 · 15/03/2024 04:59

@user1477391263

💯 per cent agree 👍 with your good insightful post, !

Exactly punishment is susposed to have a bit or some discomfort attached to that consequence,
to discourage pupils from participating in that kind of behaviour in the first place,

skippy2024 · 15/03/2024 04:58

ballybean · 15/03/2024 00:05

I find it so funny how I mentioned this to my group of friends and they were all shocked. I mention it here and of course it's totally acceptable!

We can just starting hitting kids again then, if they don't want to get a smack, they just have to behave!

Smacking and a space to sit and realise you are socially responsible for your actions are two different things.
What did he do to be put in the room?
Self pride involves taking ownership of your actions kid ....in the real world we get consequences in the workplace too.

HighCortisolIsMyName · 15/03/2024 04:57

Somepeoplearesnippy · 15/03/2024 04:41

It wouldn't be a badge of shame in the school I used to work in. It would be seen as a badge of honour to be so badly behaved you got sent there.

Yes mine too. Anyone sent to isolation loved it 🤦‍♀️

HighCortisolIsMyName · 15/03/2024 04:56

ballybean · 15/03/2024 00:06

But see that doesn't actually work though does it? Because students are shown disrespect, lower their self esteem, they don't feel included and there starts a vicious cycle

Yano most kids who end up in isolation ect love it because of the drama?

"I was in isolation today drama drama drama"

Itll be a rare child whose self esteem is lowered because theyve had to go to isolation. Most sent there love it ( speaking as a past teenager who was excluded/In isolation frequently 🤦‍♀️ )

skippy2024 · 15/03/2024 04:54

Oh it's humiliating after what have they done to be in that hall?
Did your child's teacher give you an explanation or only your son's story?
I disagree with your idea it is wrong.
Today's children are going to become entitled if they have no consequences it's life.

cerisepanther73 · 15/03/2024 04:49

@fabric

You have to have some way to encourage disruptive pupils to reflect on their behaviour and have consequences for their behaviour too,

Ah but i know you are probably the type who expects 💯 per cent teachers to be a combination of support workers and social workers and emotional therapy counsellors at the same time,

Ah even though you probably couldn't do that yourself,
Ah easy to be Judgemental know all types like yourself,
when you don't have contend deal with realities of school life and disruption and bullying issues and pupils mental health due to lockdowns and covid issues and parents who think their children are 😇 precious angels at school times,

Ah reality of life we can't allways have our own way all the time

That just shucks is life really

Ah bless 🙌 them those disruptive pupils and school bullies everywhere with mischievous sense of chaos and mayhem and emotional and psychological mind and physical high jinks games and dramas they bring to uk classrooms,

Just a question,
as a child or teenager pupil growing up in school,
did you have the memorable mischievous experiences of being in a classroom with any disruptive pupils or and school bully at all?

user1477391263 · 15/03/2024 04:44

ballybean · 15/03/2024 00:03

Detention, suspension, extra homework, report card, withheld from activities??

OK, so what do you do when they don't care about detention, don't care about missing school, refuse to do the extra homework, don't care about the report card, don't care about being witheld from activities?

Punishment is supposed to feel unpleasant, that's kind of the point.

Somepeoplearesnippy · 15/03/2024 04:41

It wouldn't be a badge of shame in the school I used to work in. It would be seen as a badge of honour to be so badly behaved you got sent there.

ttcat37 · 15/03/2024 04:31

It’s hardly corporal punishment is it? Wild idea but perhaps if the kids don’t like being in the box then they shouldn’t misbehave in class. This is a very tame. You need to toughen up rather than validating your child’s disruptive behaviour. Do you even discipline your child?

AlltheFs · 15/03/2024 04:14

I think they’re a good idea. Can’t see anything wrong with it. I don't imagine they are locked in for weeks with only stale bread lobbed in occasionally. Not exactly punitive.

Fabricwitch · 15/03/2024 04:07

It sounds barbaric and I can't believe so many mums are ok with this.

PeopleAreWeird · 15/03/2024 04:06

Smacking and sat in a room with a desk are very different things OP 😂

marshmallowfinder · 15/03/2024 03:21

Yabu to spell past as passed. The box doesn't sound great, but it is probably a good deterrent to bad behaviour, so I'd trust the school's decision on it.

KillerTomato7 · 15/03/2024 03:20

caringcarer · 15/03/2024 00:21

Then they should learn to behave in lessons and not to disrupt the education of other DC. Why should the rest of the class fall behind because of a disruptive child who needs to learn to behave themselves?

I have an idea, everyone. The next time this incredibly caring carer is caught speeding in his car, he should have to stand outside for a period of no less than 6 hours, wearing a dunce cap and signboard detailing his offense.

I can't see why they'd mind, since they have nothing to worry about if they just drive at the correct speed.

KillerTomato7 · 15/03/2024 03:12

SalviaDivinorum · 15/03/2024 00:02

So what sanctions would you suggest for misbehaviour?

Literally any of the sanctions used in schools that don't put naughty children in glass fishbowls...which is to say, basically all other schools in the country.

cerisepanther73 · 15/03/2024 03:06

Ah sorry
I didn't read your other mumsnet threads too @CurlsnSunshinetime4tea

Yes i think it's a good idea to have glass room space as a multi purpose room aswell...

cerisepanther73 · 15/03/2024 03:02

What a refreshing change to hear someone talking insightful sense finally, on this mumsnet thread such as @Ilikegreenshoes,

Instead of the utter bullshit talk 💩💩💩💩💩
of @ballybean & @CurlsnSunshinetime4tea &@VivienneDelacroix

CurlsnSunshinetime4tea · 15/03/2024 03:00

sorry @cerisepanther73 why is me saying that such a space could have beneficial multipurpose use utter bs?

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