To think this is outdated and needs to be removed?

Badly behaved adults in the workplace can be warned then sacked. It's a bit difficult to sack a child.....
Perhaps those worrying about sanctions affecting the mental health of badly behaved children should be more worried about badly behaved children affecting the mental health of their teachers.

Ah I take it you don't have a child who's education has been severely disrupted by a fellow child in their class then? 🙄

Good. Children who act out and disrupt the class should feel embarrassed. Life isn’t going to get any easier for them.

Lots of Mumsnetters think humiliation is good for kids because it “teaches them resilience”.

I can only presume these are the same posters who claimed on another thread that being the kid who is left over in PE after the team captains have picked everyone else in the class (while the team who gets stuck with you groans in despair) is a good way of learning your limitations…

They don't have to dick around and get put in it 🤷🏻‍♀️

This is a such a great post, I hope everyone on this thread reads it. Shame is so destructive.

From the perspective of a parent of another child in the school, this is a cracker of an idea. It moves the problem on completely.
For those with a legal responsibility towards the pupil in question it is a safeguarding nightmare. If the child is unmanageable at school what are the chances they are compliant students at home? They are likely to end up involved in criminal exploitation. I know people say "school isn't childcare" but of course it is. Heads spend more time on pupil safety and safeguarding as they do on teaching and learning, sadly.

It is publicly accessible, OP said staff and pupils walk past.

Totally agree that in those examples money might come into it, making changes or improving provision can do that. However, having to figure out how to fund something or change something is in no way a justification for continuing or sanctioning outdated and harmful practices.

Scary to know that likely most of these posters saying it's a good thing are also parents 😣

Hope it's just the trolls instead.

Humiliation isn't an acceptable punishment and it's worrying that you think it is.

OP comment ‘the school hasn’t got major behavioural problems’

Maybe that’s because no one wants to sit in the glass box

This. We all do wrong. All of us. Kids often do stupid things and have unwanted behaviours because of various complicated factors.
Guilt is an emotion that helps us do better, not repeat mistakes. Shame and humiliation are different.
Children should never ever be made to feel shame. Ever.

It's the modern equivalent of the dunce's cap.

So clearly backwards and inappropriate.

Almost, not quite. Guilt is the one you feel when you've done something wrong and feel bad about. That's normal and obviously useful, as it makes you feel less likely to do it again.

Guilt is how you feel about what you did. Shame is how you feel about who you are (frequently by people who've experienced abuse). So if my child does something they shouldn't, I want them to feel guilty, which might motivate them to make amends. I don't want them to feel shame in the sense that I don't want them to feel like a worthless human being as that won't motivate them to fix anything and is likely to send them into a spiral of doing other bad things because they've identified themselves as someone who does these things.

Sounds like a TV show hosted by Philip Scofield. Don't think he's allowed near kids any more though.

The school takes the jacket off the child and hangs it on the fence at risk of it being stolen? And this is an actual school policy? And parents don’t complain about the school literally appropriating their children’s property…?

And this is all done for something that (I’ll say it again) does not affect anyone’s learning in any way?

If they need to have a safe space for staff to be safe from extremely violent children then I'd argue that in a publicly accessible place where staff and students can walk past is even more inappropriate.Similarly, protection against allegations of abuse does not justify humiliating and shaming any other children. Use cameras, have chaperones, have a real hard look at your safeguarding policies - loads of other avenues to employ here.

It's not publicly accessible is it? Or are you just worried about the humiliation for the violent child having witnesses to their assaults?

And cameras and extra staff to chaperone? Where's that money coming from?

I was caught playing cards in the girls’ cloakroom instead of partaking in some healthy fresh air one break-time in 1974.

my punishment was to sit in the ‘naughty chair’ in the school hall at lunchtime, which was the hub leading to all classrooms, gym, etc and used by everyone. I was mortified and didn’t put a foot wrong for the next 50 years

I spent most my secondary school days in isolation mine was t glass it was a room with small decks with large sides so you couldn’t see the person next to you it’s not any huge disaster there was still lunch time you could talk just had to stay in the room and I actually had some of my funniest school moments in there. It was boring sometimes but they needed to punish the behaviours I set off fire alarm brought alcohol in and otherr things a detention wouldn’t cover and suspension would have just made me play with out of school friends.
min year 11 my brain worked and I managed to get a a* in English c in maths and 5 other gcse in a-c only one I failed was statistics where I got a U 😂 I didn’t even know that was possible till I got it. I’m looking at fifnish my degree with a first in may as long as my disitation is up to a good standard.

isolation did no lasting damage but some funny memories and saved me from being suspended

So how many times would a parent need to buy a new school jacket? (at least £60 each) and if the pupil sees this as a way to either avoid wearing the uniform or because some schools bar pupils who aren't in complete uniform , to get a few extra days off until the jacket is replaced ?

This is, um, fairly wild hyperbole and not really addressing the original point. OP was pretty clear that it's used for all sorts of misbehaviour, including one-off misdemeanors etc so what you're saying is finding an extreme exception to shoehorn in a justification.

If they need to have a safe space for staff to be safe from extremely violent children then I'd argue that in a publicly accessible place where staff and students can walk past is even more inappropriate.

Similarly, protection against allegations of abuse does not justify humiliating and shaming any other children. Use cameras, have chaperones, have a real hard look at your safeguarding policies - loads of other avenues to employ here.

No child should EVER be deliberately and purposefully humiliated no matter what they’ve done or how much they are a ‘little shit’
What’s the matter with you?